Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Hellrazer · 16-02-2021 01:17PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Seriously? I think most people are looking to the future when they vote in a GE, and I don't think covid policies will have much bearing on anything going forward.

I think you`ll be surprised. And a GE might be sooner than we think - I cant see this coalition lasting for a full term.

Loafing Oaf · 16-02-2021 01:26PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

And a GE might be sooner than we think - I cant see this coalition lasting for a full term.

Online commentators always say that but every government for the last three decades has lasted the course or close to it, even the precarious 2007 and 2016 ones.
If the leaderships of FF and FG are fully committed I think the current coalition will go the distance too.

RobitTV · 16-02-2021 01:32PM

Breaking: Government begins to send out mixed messages on 'staycations' - Donohoe: Too early to say whether staycations will be possible this summer

The Finance Minister says he 'can't answer' yet whether people will be able to go on staycation in Ireland this summer. Paschal Donohoe says the Government is hoping to give clarity on the issue in 'the coming weeks'. With a new 'living with COVID' plan due next week, focus has turned to which restrictions may be eased over the coming months.

While senior ministers have already said foreign holidays are unlikely for most people this year, they've expressed their hopes domestic travel may be allowed.

However, Minister Donohoe told Newstalk Breakfast it's still too early to say whether that can happen.

Newstalk

:pac::pac::pac:

Kermit.de.frog · 16-02-2021 01:34PM

dalyboy wrote: »

There was an alternative though.

Going from level 3 to level 5 was a sledge hammer swing by Tony H .
Glynn etc maintained Level 3 was effective on the Thursday and were overruled the following Monday.

We could have stayed the course on level 3.

The inescapable reality is that NPHET , the government and pro lockdowners believe that humans are some kind of programmable robots. They didn’t take into account that people would celebrate HARDER if the window of less restrictions was compressed into a few weeks in December.

Even a child would know this would be a disaster come December.

This is why you need tougher restrictions particularly on the minority that would put the rest of the public at risk.

The lockdowns have not been harsh enough. They aren't even "lockdowns". A no nonsense serious approach is to suspend certain freedoms until transmission is stopped.

The weakness of the west in crisis is the very thing that makes the west great in normal times. It's democracy because ignorance gets to run riot. This makes people sick and costs lives, naturally enough, in a global pandemic.

If the west had taken a much harder zero tolerance approach this would long be over now in terms of national restrictions and, like China, we'd be cracking down on any minor outbreak hard while the public get vaccinated.

We are not in that situation because some don't understand the nature of the threat and they have to be listened to in a democracy.

They were listened to before Christmas in this country despite all the warnings that gravity can't be defied very long and that is why we have level 5 restrictions for the foreseeable future.

And it is why, in my view, we will be managing this for years to come because politicians across the western world don't have the courage to do what they should have done long a go.

Zero tolerance, short and sharp, out the other side. Crisis over. That's what should have happened.

wakka12 · 16-02-2021 01:36PM

https://twitter.com/filmswitches/status/1360990424366743554

ypres5 · 16-02-2021 01:38PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Breaking: Government begins to send out mixed messages on 'staycations' - Donohoe: Too early to say whether staycations will be possible this summer

The Finance Minister says he 'can't answer' yet whether people will be able to go on staycation in Ireland this summer. Paschal Donohoe says the Government is hoping to give clarity on the issue in 'the coming weeks'. With a new 'living with COVID' plan due next week, focus has turned to which restrictions may be eased over the coming months.

While senior ministers have already said foreign holidays are unlikely for most people this year, they've expressed their hopes domestic travel may be allowed.

However, Minister Donohoe told Newstalk Breakfast it's still too early to say whether that can happen.

Newstalk

:pac::pac::pac:

according to some people on here the British and irish government's are both saying the exact same thing re travel and hospitality reopening. hopefully this post will put an end to that notion

ypres5 · 16-02-2021 01:44PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is why you need tougher restrictions particularly on the minority that would put the rest of the public at risk.

The lockdowns have not been harsh enough. They aren't even "lockdowns". A no nonsense serious approach is to suspend certain freedoms until transmission is stopped.

The weakness of the west in crisis is the very thing that makes the west great in normal times. It's democracy because ignorance gets to run riot. This makes people sick and costs lives, naturally enough, in a global pandemic.

If the west had taken a much harder zero tolerance approach this would long be over now in terms of national restrictions and, like China, we'd be cracking down on any minor outbreak hard while the public get vaccinated.

We are not in that situation because some don't understand the nature of the threat and they have to be listened to in a democracy.

They were listened to before Christmas in this country despite all the warnings that gravity can't be defied very long and that is why we have level 5 restrictions for the foreseeable future.

And it is why, in my view, we will be managing this for years to come because politicians across the western world don't have the courage to do what they should have done long a go.

Zero tolerance, short and sharp, out the other side. Crisis over. That's what should have happened.

jeez kermit you should take your show on the road. if a short sharp lockdown at the start is all was needed how come australia and new zealand are still experiencing cases? also what would you consider a lockdown? microchipping people? sealing them up in their homes with a bag of rice a la China? you're just an extremist looking to give your authoritarian wet dream some air time by using covid as an excuse. no ordinary person wants to spend years of their lives locked up so i think your anti democracy spiel is about as popular as Chris brown

ShyMets · 16-02-2021 01:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is why you need tougher restrictions particularly on the minority that would put the rest of the public at risk.

The lockdowns have not been harsh enough. They aren't even "lockdowns". A no nonsense serious approach is to suspend certain freedoms until transmission is stopped.

The weakness of the west in crisis is the very thing that makes the west great in normal times. It's democracy because ignorance gets to run riot. This makes people sick and costs lives, naturally enough, in a global pandemic.

If the west had taken a much harder zero tolerance approach this would long be over now in terms of national restrictions and, like China, we'd be cracking down on any minor outbreak hard while the public get vaccinated.

We are not in that situation because some don't understand the nature of the threat and they have to be listened to in a democracy.

They were listened to before Christmas in this country despite all the warnings that gravity can't be defied very long and that is why we have level 5 restrictions for the foreseeable future.

And it is why, in my view, we will be managing this for years to come because politicians across the western world don't have the courage to do what they should have done long a go.

Zero tolerance, short and sharp, out the other side. Crisis over. That's what should have happened.

Freedoms can easily be taken away. They tend to be a lot harder to get back

Whatsisname · 16-02-2021 01:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is why you need tougher restrictions particularly on the minority that would put the rest of the public at risk.

The lockdowns have not been harsh enough. They aren't even "lockdowns". A no nonsense serious approach is to suspend certain freedoms until transmission is stopped.

The weakness of the west in crisis is the very thing that makes the west great in normal times. It's democracy because ignorance gets to run riot. This makes people sick and costs lives, naturally enough, in a global pandemic.

If the west had taken a much harder zero tolerance approach this would long be over now in terms of national restrictions and, like China, we'd be cracking down on any minor outbreak hard while the public get vaccinated.

We are not in that situation because some don't understand the nature of the threat and they have to be listened to in a democracy.

They were listened to before Christmas in this country despite all the warnings that gravity can't be defied very long and that is why we have level 5 restrictions for the foreseeable future.

And it is why, in my view, we will be managing this for years to come because politicians across the western world don't have the courage to do what they should have done long a go.

Zero tolerance, short and sharp, out the other side. Crisis over. That's what should have happened.

We should just put them in concentration reeducation camps like the good folks over in China have done to muslims, am I right Kermit?

growleaves · 16-02-2021 01:49PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Freedoms can easily be taken away. They tend to be a lot harder to get back

Yes and some of the people asking for freedoms to be extinguished are doing so on the basis of taking CCP propaganda at face value.

Like its one thing to say that the WHO or Bill Gates would never mislead us, I don't agree but I get it. But this is supposed to extend to Chairman Xi Jingping as well?

"Go off to the Conspiracy Theory Forum with your mistrust of Chairman Xi and the State Council"

Whatsisname · 16-02-2021 01:55PM

growleaves wrote: »

Yes and some of the people asking for freedoms to be extinguished are doing so on the basis of taking CCP propaganda at face value.

Like its one thing to say that the WHO or Bill Gates would never mislead us, I don't agree but I get it. But this is supposed to extend to Chairman Xi Jingping as well?

"Go off to the Conspiracy Theory Forum with your mistrust of Chairman Xi and the State Council"

Remember last January when we were seeing videos from China of people dropping dead in the street? others being caught in a fishnet for not wearing a mask? and then there were exterminators sanitising streets. It's all so ****ing ridiculous looking back.

I'm getting a bit off topic but I read a really interesting article on their propaganda since the start of it all and how social media has played a huge role in it. It's worth a read.

weldoninhio · 16-02-2021 01:56PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yeah, and we've got a revised living hiding under the bed with covid plan due as well, so what's the difference.

Have we ever tried "living with Covid" here???

ShyMets · 16-02-2021 01:58PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Remember last January when we were seeing videos from China of people dropping dead in the street? others being caught in a fishnet for not wearing a mask? and then there were exterminators sanitising streets. It's all so ****ing ridiculous looking back.

I'm getting a bit off topic but I read a really interesting article on their propaganda since the start of it all and how social media has played a huge role in it. It's worth a read.

I can recall some posters at the time being adamant that the videos were real. Granted some were good. But most were obviously faked

FlubberJones · 16-02-2021 01:58PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Breaking: Government begins to send out mixed messages on 'staycations' - Donohoe: Too early to say whether staycations will be possible this summer

The Finance Minister says he 'can't answer' yet whether people will be able to go on staycation in Ireland this summer. Paschal Donohoe says the Government is hoping to give clarity on the issue in 'the coming weeks'. With a new 'living with COVID' plan due next week, focus has turned to which restrictions may be eased over the coming months.

While senior ministers have already said foreign holidays are unlikely for most people this year, they've expressed their hopes domestic travel may be allowed.

However, Minister Donohoe told Newstalk Breakfast it's still too early to say whether that can happen.

Newstalk

:pac::pac::pac:

This can go f*ck itself, 100% I'll be going on holiday abroad this year, probably two or three times.
Not a chance will I stay a year in this depressing doomladen place without a break from it.

wakka12 · 16-02-2021 01:59PM

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1361661002258014210

Kermit.de.frog · 16-02-2021 02:00PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

We should just put them in concentration reeducation camps like the good folks over in China have done to muslims, am I right Kermit?

Not at all. What have Muslims got to do with it?

In relation to Covid China's successful approach was simple. For a set period you stay in your homes, you don't leave. Military or state agencies deliver supplies.

And that's it. Transmission not slowed, stopped in it's tracks. Only a few weeks.

Crisis over.

ypres5 · 16-02-2021 02:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not at all. What have Muslims got to do with it?

In relation to Covid China's successful approach was simple. For a set period you stay in your homes, you don't leave. Military or state agencies deliver supplies.

And that's it. Transmission not slowed, stopped in it's tracks. Only a few weeks.

Crisis over.

if you believe what the Chinese government are saying kermit I've a bag of magic beans to sell you

ShyMets · 16-02-2021 02:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not at all. What have Muslims got to do with it?

In relation to Covid China's successful approach was simple. For a set period you stay in your homes, you don't leave. Military or state agencies deliver supplies.

And that's it. Transmission not slowed, stopped in it's tracks. Only a few weeks.

Crisis over.

So you think we have the Military and State resources to deliver food to every house in the country.

You're just becoming a caricature of yourself at this stage

silverharp · 16-02-2021 02:03PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Remember last January when we were seeing videos from China of people dropping dead in the street? others being caught in a fishnet for not wearing a mask? and then there were exterminators sanitising streets. It's all so ****ing ridiculous looking back.

I'm getting a bit off topic but I read a really interesting article on their propaganda since the start of it all and how social media has played a huge role in it. It's worth a read.

saw this yesterday

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1361369043345768451

16-02-2021 02:06PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Must be great to live in a democracy.

Where the courts overturn laws enacted by the democratically elected representatives of the people?

dalyboy · 16-02-2021 02:07PM

silverharp wrote: »

saw this yesterday

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1361369043345768451

It looks like someone was shooting a failed video for “you’ve been framed”

wakka12 · 16-02-2021 02:10PM

silverharp wrote: »

saw this yesterday

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1361369043345768451

Those videos really ****ing irked me. All the Westerner idiots circulating it claimed it was COVID related only had themselves to blame. People have strokes, narcolepsy, faint, heart attack, all the time. I'm sure many of us have seen people collapse in public in normal times. So have no clue why people just believed it was COVID and ran with the hysteria.

Anyone who feared COVID because of things like this only had themselves to blame. There were ample studies from China already spreading globally explaining the timeline of illness from the disease, and that deaths occurred with progressive worsening of the illness and generally occurred in hospital a week or more after infection, absolutely no talk of widespread sudden death occurring from COVID. So I knew the videos were fake right back in February or at least taken out of context . Anyone who did even an ounce of research into valid informaton about the virus would also have known it was fake. So you can't blame media, can't blame Chinese government, can't blame anything other the same twitter lunatics who are probably the same people spreading **** about the vaccine killing people etc, or any other ridiculous crap that's going these days. And we don't exactly hold these types to maintaining a high standard of dissemination of accurate info do we, so how is it suprising.

growleaves · 16-02-2021 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where the courts overturn laws enacted by the democratically elected representatives of the people?

Yikes. The law hasn't been overturned, it is still there on the statute books. The court found that the emergency law on which the government relied to impose the curfew has been misapplied in this case.

Are you now opposed to juidical oversight of legislation?

"The virus loves juicidal oversight..."

Whatsisname · 16-02-2021 02:13PM

silverharp wrote: »

saw this yesterday

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1361369043345768451

Yup thats the one I was thinking. He even puts out his arms to brace his fall. It's comical.

TheDoctor · 16-02-2021 02:14PM

They’ll be so jealous when they see our updated Hiding from Covid plan

JMNolan · 16-02-2021 02:15PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

They’ll be so jealous when they see our updated Hiding from Covid plan

"Cowering from Covid"

16-02-2021 02:16PM

growleaves wrote: »

Yikes. The law hasn't been overturned, it is still there on the statute books. The court found that the emergency law on which the government relied to impose the curfew has been misapplied in this case.

Are you now opposed to juidical oversight of legislation?

"The virus loves juicidal oversight..."

No, just thought it was interesting that the judiciary overturning the decisions of the democratically elected government was evidence of enhanced democracy.

I actually think judicial oversight is an important backstop in curbing the power of government to subvert the constitution. But this power is not strictly democratic, no matter how important

Kermit.de.frog · 16-02-2021 02:29PM

ShyMets wrote: »

So you think we have the Military and State resources to deliver food to every house in the country.

You're just becoming a caricature of yourself at this stage

You could also designate a member of the household to get supplies every set number of days for clarity.

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 02:31PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

We`ll still take it from behind for another 12 weeks!!!

Why? We weren't under curfew.

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 02:34PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Must be great to live in a democracy.

It was the government that brought in the curfew. That's your democracy. We live in a democracy too.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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