Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 02:36PM

growleaves wrote: »

Legal actions being taken in Northern Ireland and Scotland as well.

Are there? I haven't heard about this.

ypres5 · 16-02-2021 02:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You could also designate a member of the household to get supplies every set number of days for clarity.

yeah it'd really go down a bomb kermit you keep telling yourself that anyway

hatrickpatrick · 16-02-2021 02:39PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You could also designate a member of the household to get supplies every set number of days for clarity.

This is what I've been doing for my family since the start of the crisis, in fact. Not at all a bad idea. My dad's in a high risk category so he began cocooning several weeks before the sh!t hit the fan on a large scale, acting on advice from his doctor who correctly predicted in mid-February 2020 that we were probably weeks away from a society-wide meltdown occurring and that for his own safety he'd be well advised to get out ahead of that. Luckily he was working in a senior management position which already allowed him to work from home or in the office according to his own schedule so it didn't cause any problems. Once that happened, in order to make sure himself and my mum could still safely bubble together, I basically took over the grocery shopping, nominated a couple of regular days each week (generally Wednesdays and Saturdays, other times Tuesdays and Fridays) and they'd text me shopping lists etc.

In other words, it sounds draconian and extreme at first but in practise it really isn't. Of course, it does depend on people having a close and willing social network of family or friends.

TheDoctor · 16-02-2021 02:39PM

growleaves wrote: »

Yikes. The law hasn't been overturned, it is still there on the statute books. The court found that the emergency law on which the government relied to impose the curfew has been misapplied in this case.

Are you now opposed to juidical oversight of legislation?

"The virus loves juicidal oversight..."

If judicial oversight and alcohol teamed up.....

MOH · 16-02-2021 02:40PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is why you need tougher restrictions particularly on the minority that would put the rest of the public at risk.

The lockdowns have not been harsh enough. They aren't even "lockdowns". A no nonsense serious approach is to suspend certain freedoms until transmission is stopped.

blah blah etc.

Or the government could have implemented some very basic measures like actual contact tracing to properly identify clusters and how and where the virus is being transmitted. Instead of just going back 48 hours (for a virus that usually takes 4-5 days to show symptoms), and dismissing anything else as "academic".

And implementing a proper quarantine-at-home policy for inbound travel, with regular checks and fines for non-compliance. Which again, while not perfect, would have helped curb a lot of the spread.

Instead of which we still don't have either of those, but we're now threatening jail for people leaving the country on holiday. Because let's be honest, that's way easier than bothering to implement any kind of coherent policy.

DaSilva · 16-02-2021 02:41PM

RobitTV wrote: »

... The Finance Minister says he 'can't answer' yet whether people will be able to go on staycation in Ireland this summer. Paschal Donohoe says the Government is hoping to give clarity on the issue in 'the coming weeks' ...

Translation:
The government doesn't know what to do, so they are "preparing" their plan, which involves some nicely designed leaflets, but really takes so long because the important part involves waiting to see what happens in Israel

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 02:43PM

silverharp wrote: »

saw this yesterday

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1361369043345768451

That's the very first time I've seen that.

16-02-2021 02:49PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Anyone who did even an ounce of research into valid informaton about the virus would also have known it was fake. So you can't blame media, can't blame Chinese government, can't blame anything other the same twitter lunatics who are probably the same people spreading **** about the vaccine killing people etc, or any other ridiculous crap that's going these days. And we don't exactly hold these types to maintaining a high standard of dissemination of accurate info do we, so how is it suprising.

I think the issue is that for most people who have full and busy lives and a normal level of interest in world events and politics, they believe that they are outsourcing their "research" to journalists in TV, print and online media, whose job it ostensibly is to do investigative work and deliver a clear and accurate picture, along with holding government officials to account.

As a poster stated earlier, the news media have been derelict in their duty throughout this entire pandemic, operating instead as a propaganda arm of the government.

I would like to see a party before the next general election commit to changing the constitution to ensure that the maximum period that citizens can be restricted in this way is 4 weeks to allow for the implementation of other measures, and even then only once permission is granted by a court based on the best real-world information rather than computer models that spit out hysterically overexaggerated potential numbers. GUess I'll keep dreaming though.

growleaves · 16-02-2021 02:50PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Are there? I haven't heard about this.

Van Morrison launches Covid-19 legal action over North’s live music ban

Scottish church leaders launch legal action over ‘unlawful’ closures and criminalisation of public worship

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 02:58PM

growleaves wrote: »

Van Morrison launches Covid-19 legal action over North’s live music ban

Scottish church leaders launch legal action over ‘unlawful’ closures and criminalisation of public worship

Ah. Okay. Yeah, I'd heard about Van Morrison alright. Fair play to him. I can't see him getting anywhere with it but I suppose it's worth a shot.

growleaves · 16-02-2021 03:01PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Ah. Okay. Yeah, I'd heard about Van Morrison alright. Fair play to him. I can't see him getting anywhere with it but I suppose it's worth a shot.

I assume he is not compiling the medical and scientific evidence himself (!) and who knows what the solictor he has hired will come up with or what the judge will make of it.

Boggles · 16-02-2021 03:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would like to see a party before the next general election commit to changing the constitution to ensure that the maximum period that citizens can be restricted in this way is 4 weeks to allow for the implementation of other measures

No party can change the constitution, I imagine even if they could it wouldn't be based on some arbitrary number pulled from the air.

As all the current parties seem to be basing their policies on science, I can't see it happening either way.

dalyboy · 16-02-2021 03:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

No party can change the constitution, I imagine even if they could it wouldn't be based on some arbitrary number pulled from the air.

As all the current parties seem to be basing their policies on science, I can't see it happening either way.

But the op didn’t say a party could change the constitution.
He said “commit to changing the constitution” , presumably after a referendum would be proposed by said new government.

16-02-2021 03:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

No party can change the constitution, I imagine even if they could it wouldn't be based on some arbitrary number pulled from the air.

As all the current parties seem to be basing their policies on science, I can't see it happening either way.

The constitution can be changed by referendum. Why are you like this?

dalyboy · 16-02-2021 03:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The constitution can be changed by referendum. Why are you like this?

It’s evoking strawman and red herring fallacies galore.

16-02-2021 03:32PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is what I've been doing for my family since the start of the crisis, in fact. Not at all a bad idea. My dad's in a high risk category so he began cocooning several weeks before the sh!t hit the fan on a large scale, acting on advice from his doctor who correctly predicted in mid-February 2020 that we were probably weeks away from a society-wide meltdown occurring and that for his own safety he'd be well advised to get out ahead of that. Luckily he was working in a senior management position which already allowed him to work from home or in the office according to his own schedule so it didn't cause any problems. Once that happened, in order to make sure himself and my mum could still safely bubble together, I basically took over the grocery shopping, nominated a couple of regular days each week (generally Wednesdays and Saturdays, other times Tuesdays and Fridays) and they'd text me shopping lists etc.

In other words, it sounds draconian and extreme at first but in practise it really isn't. Of course, it does depend on people having a close and willing social network of family or friends.

I'm not in favour of extended lockdowns, but I do think that vulnerable and elderly people should be given the ability to shield if they assess the risk of going out and find it intolerable, and they should be facilitated in doing so in the way you outlined that you've been helping your dad. Up to and including ongoing financial support and a temporary government department to help with the logistics side of things, like getting groceries safely to their homes.

KrustyUCC · 16-02-2021 03:34PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Breaking: Government begins to send out mixed messages on 'staycations' - Donohoe: Too early to say whether staycations will be possible this summer

The Finance Minister says he 'can't answer' yet whether people will be able to go on staycation in Ireland this summer. Paschal Donohoe says the Government is hoping to give clarity on the issue in 'the coming weeks'. With a new 'living with COVID' plan due next week, focus has turned to which restrictions may be eased over the coming months.

While senior ministers have already said foreign holidays are unlikely for most people this year, they've expressed their hopes domestic travel may be allowed.

However, Minister Donohoe told Newstalk Breakfast it's still too early to say whether that can happen.

Newstalk

:pac::pac::pac:

They're really giving society something to look forward to

Be good boys and girls by not going on foreign holidays this year

However we can say you'll be even able to go within Ireland either

Fabulous

They also will unveil a living with covid plan with no dates at all so as a plan that does SFA

They won't give dates as they know they don't have a plan just more lockdowns

Months and months of restrictions and then the slowest opening in Europe

There's managing expectations and absolutely depressing people

Government starting to do the later more and more

If the government won't be reopening then more and more people will start to ignore them

My friend hasn't seen his partner since 20th of December

No way are they waiting until intercounty travel comes back to see each other again as that could be 5-6 months the way Leo & Co are spinning

Do the government actually think it's reasonable to ask couples like that to keep apart for that length of time?

There might not be anything open but people won't blindly accept ongoing restrictions either

Boggles · 16-02-2021 03:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The constitution can be changed by referendum. Why are you like this?

Indeed, that's not what you said though.

I don't think the majority of voters in the country would back enshrining laws in the constitution which have no merit in reality.

I much prefer the way in which the public health emergency laws are been passed with a built in expiry.

But sure while we are fantasizing, I want the next government to commit to 3 taps in my kitchen.

Cold - Hot - Ale.

whisky_galore · 16-02-2021 03:36PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

This can go f*ck itself, 100% I'll be going on holiday abroad this year, probably two or three times.
Not a chance will I stay a year in this depressing doomladen place without a break from it.

Don't come back, you hear?

dalyboy · 16-02-2021 03:42PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Don't come back, you hear?

If he has a negative PCR test and self isolates upon his return for the accepted time then he is not harming anyone.

Do you agree or disagree with the above statement.

If you disagree please outline the threat or potential harm he presents to this country.

16-02-2021 03:42PM

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed, that's not what you said though.

I don't think the majority of voters in the country would back enshrining laws in the constitution which have no merit in reality.

I much prefer the way in which the public health emergency laws are been passed with a built in expiry.

But sure while we are fantasizing, I want the next government to commit to 3 taps in my kitchen.

Cold - Hot - Ale.

A stout and IPA option would be good also

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 03:49PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

They're really giving society something to look forward to

Be good boys and girls by not going on foreign holidays this year

However we can say you'll be even able to go within Ireland either

Fabulous

They also will unveil a living with covid plan with no dates at all so as a plan that does SFA

They won't give dates as they know they don't have a plan just more lockdowns

Months and months of restrictions and then the slowest opening in Europe

There's managing expectations and absolutely depressing people

Government starting to do the later more and more

If the government won't be reopening then more and more people will start to ignore them

My friend hasn't seen his partner since 20th of December

No way are they waiting until intercounty travel comes back to see each other again as that could be 5-6 months the way Leo & Co are spinning

Do the government actually think it's reasonable to ask couples like that to keep apart for that length of time?

There might not be anything open but people won't blindly accept ongoing restrictions either

Arbitrary dates are worthless. They should be basing it on numbers. It should be county specific. I don't really mind which numbers they use but at least it would be something to aim for. It could be numbers in ICU, number of deaths, etc. It needs to be transparent so that everyone can see what's happening. It shouldn't be countrywide. If counties have low numbers, they shouldn't be restricted in the same way as counties with high numbers.

KrustyUCC · 16-02-2021 03:52PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Arbitrary dates are worthless. They should be basing it on numbers. It should be county specific. I don't really mind which numbers they use but at least it would be something to aim for. It could be numbers in ICU, number of deaths, etc. It needs to be transparent so that everyone can see what's happening. It shouldn't be countrywide. If counties have low numbers, they shouldn't be restricted in the same way as counties with high numbers.

I'd agree with that but they won't give out the criteria to be used either

It will be just as 'low as possible'

So no dates and no figures to work towards

No plan really

I couldn't see them going county by county either unfortunately even though that has merit

dalyboy · 16-02-2021 03:57PM

After the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated there will be no need to test full stop. Who cares if Johnny or Mary have the sniffles. It leads to nothing.

There should be a non-official hug a grandparent day in the middle of May or June.
Photos should be sent directly to NPHET and their cronies.

People should just stop / refuse to get tested.

It’ll put a stop to this nonsense quick smart.

Dr. Bre · 16-02-2021 04:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not at all. What have Muslims got to do with it?

In relation to Covid China's successful approach was simple. For a set period you stay in your homes, you don't leave. Military or state agencies deliver supplies.

And that's it. Transmission not slowed, stopped in it's tracks. Only a few weeks.

Crisis over.

Your very naive to think it’s true cos the Chinese government said this

mikekerry · 16-02-2021 04:12PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'd agree with that but they won't give out the criteria to be used either

It will be just as 'low as possible'

So no dates and no figures to work towards

No plan really

I couldn't see them going county by county either unfortunately even though that has merit

If the first 'living with covid' plan was a steaming pile of poo not sure why people expect the latest one to be any different.
Expect the 'Further revised living with covid plan' to be coming along in a few months.

FlubberJones · 16-02-2021 04:17PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Don't come back, you hear?

Why not, what part of my post did you not like?

16-02-2021 04:18PM

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed, that's not what you said though.

It is. A referendum is a necessity for any party wanting to change the constitution. Not a difficult concept, Boggles. You surprise even me.

Boggles wrote: »

I don't think the majority of voters in the country would back enshrining laws in the constitution which have no merit in reality.

I think laws restricting the government's ability to impinge on its citizens are potentially the only constitutional laws that have merit in reality. An idea that's only strengthened during these lockdowns and in the light of various climate activist groups calling for future lockdowns for their issue du jour. YMMV.

Boggles wrote: »

I much prefer the way in which the public health emergency laws are been passed with a built in expiry.

No reason this needs to change. It's just added checks and balances along the way to restrict government overreach.

Boggles wrote: »

But sure while we are fantasizing, I want the next government to commit to 3 taps in my kitchen.

Cold - Hot - Ale.

You mean rum, surely.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-02-2021 04:33PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

He's been on my ignore list for months, the fact that he has shown his admiration for the CCP tactics does not surprise me at all.

They have done very well suppressing the virus. Other than that I have no time for them.

There is a lot to learn from the resoluteness and effectiveness of their response to stop transmission.

Cork2021 · 16-02-2021 04:39PM

So this is good news all round!!!

https://twitter.com/ema_news/status/1361698219764445184?s=21

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1361694630983720966?s=21

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1361688668059099141?s=21

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