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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6722
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Have always gotten confused when busy hospitals are given as a reason to lock down here.

    I must have dreamt every winter when hundreds of people were on trolleys in corridors

    You need to change your username with a silly statement like this.


  • #6723
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Have always gotten confused when busy hospitals are given as a reason to lock down here.

    I must have dreamt every winter when hundreds of people were on trolleys in corridors

    You can't have covid positive people on corridors without spreading the virus even more.

    We never need the type of mass cancellations of routine health care we have at the moment. We do now.


  • #6724
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    big syke wrote: »
    In fairness we constantly are close to capacity almost 90% so well above 100 is normal.

    http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/noca-uploads/general/Irish_National_ICU_Audit_Annual_Report_2018_FINAL.pdf

    These people in icu are in addition to normal icu.

    In a normal time I'd imagine about half our icu capacity is taken up looking after people who underwent a serious "elective" procedure that had complications or that has icu time as a part of the recovery plan.


  • #6725
    Storm 10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Let's hope it's a good omen


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/india-s-dramatic-fall-in-virus-cases-leaves-experts-stumped-1.5310468


  • #6726
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Let's hope it's a good omen


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/india-s-dramatic-fall-in-virus-cases-leaves-experts-stumped-1.5310468

    It is interesting to look at the overall worldwide cases now... they have been falling steadily since January. Europe is in lockdown, but nothing has changed in the US and they are falling also.


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  • #6727
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Mmmm its almost as if it is seasonal/


  • #6728
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,585 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Have always gotten confused when busy hospitals are given as a reason to lock down here.

    I must have dreamt every winter when hundreds of people were on trolleys in corridors

    This is a bit like saying that I don't know why they sorry about a metre of snow when it is cold every winter. What is the point of such a comment?


  • #6729
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Mmmm its almost as if it is seasonal/

    There must be no pandemic in South America at the moment.


  • #6730
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    mloc123 wrote: »
    It is interesting to look at the overall worldwide cases now... they have been falling steadily since January. Europe is in lockdown, but nothing has changed in the US and they are falling also.

    A month ago, no one I knew from the US (US expat myself) had been vaccinated. Now, a lot of people I know have received at least the first dose if not second. So the vaccine is getting out there.


  • #6731
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    That is not true. The under 65’s do not account for 50% of hospitalisations.

    Poster is not wrong. Hospital figures have been averaging 50% of all of covid related hospitalisations being under 64 and approx 50% over 65 wth some small variations

    From most recent report on Hospitalisation by age current figures show:

    51.29% over 65

    48.62 under 64

    So yeah pretty much what the poster detailed

    https://i.imgflip.com/4y7wwc.jpg

    See column on cases hospitalised (%)

    Source


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  • #6732
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Let's hope it's a good omen


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/india-s-dramatic-fall-in-virus-cases-leaves-experts-stumped-1.5310468

    The only thing that can be concluded from that article is that nobody has the foggiest idea why the infection rate has declined so dramatically in India.
    All the experts have their theories but the truth is they are only guessing. This is also true everywhere else; it’s purely a guessing game.
    It’s fortunate for the experts reputations that variants of the virus have come along; when they make predictions that turn out to be false, they can blame it on the variants.


  • #6733
    HereinBray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭HereinBray


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    In fact, Scotland is using mobile vaccination centres for remote Highland areas.



    As soon as everyone gets vaccinated, the goalposts will be shifted again.

    The Government has reneged on every single milestone for reopening and there is no reason to believe that a Taoiseach who will never have to face the electorate again will suddenly become any less authoritarian that he has hitherto been.

    Can I ask why you keep stating the phrase in bold please?


  • #6734
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    HereinBray wrote: »
    Can I ask why you keep stating the phrase in bold please?
    There's a cohort of people who believe this is all a precursor to a neverending state of emergency and the replacement of all democracy in Europe with dictatorships.

    Batsh1t crazy nonsense, in other words.


  • #6735
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Did you just try to make a point with a 156 page pdf?

    What was your point?

    My point was "In fairness we constantly are close to capacity almost 90% so well above 100 is normal"

    The PDF was what some people call proof/back up. Do large documents offend you?


  • #6736
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    gozunda wrote: »
    Poster is not wrong. Hospital figures have been averaging 50% of all of covid related hospitalisations being under 64 and approx 50% over 65 wth some small variations

    From most recent report on Hospitalisation by age current figures show:

    51.29% over 65

    48.62 under 64

    So yeah pretty much what the poster detailed

    https://i.imgflip.com/4y7wwc.jpg

    See column on cases hospitalised (%)

    Source


    What's relevant is how many of those under 65 have medical conditions which are risk factors for severe covid because that group are prioritised for vaccination.


  • #6737
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Igotadose wrote: »
    A month ago, no one I knew from the US (US expat myself) had been vaccinated. Now, a lot of people I know have received at least the first dose if not second. So the vaccine is getting out there.

    They have ~40-50 million doses done... but not enough (people and time) to account for the drop in cases


  • #6738
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    seamus wrote: »
    There's a cohort of people who believe this is all a precursor to a neverending state of emergency and the replacement of all democracy in Europe with dictatorships.

    Batsh1t crazy nonsense, in other words.

    Tbf, Martin would also be 64 by the time of the next election (assuming no government collapse) and seems fairly unlikely to be leading FF into it at this stage so good chance, he's retiring after his term.


  • #6739
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    mloc123 wrote: »
    It is interesting to look at the overall worldwide cases now... they have been falling steadily since January. Europe is in lockdown, but nothing has changed in the US and they are falling also.

    India is genuinely hard to explain. The US far less so.
    Some states are under heavy restrictions, others not so much. Collectively though their behaviour is less risky than it has been since the early months of the pandemic.

    My theory on the cases falling globally is that it's not caused by anything to do with the virus itself, but on a massive shared event - Christmas.
    Some countries such as Germany locked down in anticipation of it. Others, as we're all too aware, had a large spike and locked down afterwards.


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  • #6740
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    mloc123 wrote: »
    It is interesting to look at the overall worldwide cases now... they have been falling steadily since January. Europe is in lockdown, but nothing has changed in the US and they are falling also.
    Most areas in the US still have restrictions of some kind in place. These will all eventually have an effect even when the virus is rampant.

    Thanksgiving and Christmas are now 3 and 2 months out, people are mixing less - both naturally and because of restrictions - so numbers are dropping. It's really that simple.

    It's also known that the virus will eventually "burn out" like the 1917 'flu did, but I think it would be folly to suggest the same is occurring here.


  • #6741
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    A survey of researchers by Nature about the future of COVID. They seem to be veering towards endemic but more like other coronaviruses
    far less of a risk.
    In January, Nature asked more than 100 immunologists, infectious-disease researchers and virologists working on the coronavirus whether it could be eradicated. Almost 90% of respondents think that the coronavirus will become endemic — meaning that it will continue to circulate in pockets of the global population for years to come

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2


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  • #6742
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1361619651491373058?s=20


  • #6743
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    seamus wrote: »
    There's a cohort of people who believe this is all a precursor to a neverending state of emergency and the replacement of all democracy in Europe with dictatorships.

    Batsh1t crazy nonsense, in other words.

    That is batsh1t, a part driver of that fear is erosion of basic freedoms and civil liberties, leaders and politicians won't say when it will end. Those promoting the theories can validly point to the restrictions. Medical authorities and 'experts' in the media talking about masks until 2022, Christmas cancelled again, masks forever, no foreign travel for 'the foreseeable future'

    Some that don't believe the theories want the theorists to believe and cause mayhem because it's one of the few ways to react and vent anger. Also more sinister, when you remove the right to associate, prevent civil disobedience or demonstrate then anger will surface in other ways eventually, at a micro level we have for instance domestic violence even though it's no excuse.


  • #6744
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    seamus wrote: »
    It's also known that the virus will eventually "burn out" like the 1917 'flu did, but I think it would be folly to suggest the same is occurring here.

    This is not known. Some illnesses burnout others do not. It's incredibly difficult to predict which way covid would go. Especially when you have more global mobility than ever before.


  • #6745
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    OwenM wrote: »
    What's relevant is how many of those under 65 have medical conditions which are risk factors for severe covid because that group are prioritised for vaccination.

    The figures detailed are the current age profile for covid related hospital admissions.

    Those getting the vaccines are health care workers and those aged over 85 atm.

    Those under 65 have medical conditions which are risk factors fall into group 7 out of the14 allocated groups. They're not going to be getting the vaccine for some time based on the current schedule

    https://i.imgflip.com/4y7zn0.jpg

    Source


  • #6746
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    There must be no pandemic in South America at the moment.

    Well it would explain why Brazil is mostly business as usual and the hospitals there are not being overrun.


  • #6747
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    Well it would explain why Brazil is mostly business as usual and the hospitals there are not being overrun.

    They're running out of oxygen in Manaus, Brazil

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fgraphics%2f2021%2fworld%2fmanaus-amazonas-coronavirus-medical-oxygen-shortage%2f


  • #6748
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tork wrote: »
    it's ironic that RTE and the other media outlets are being blamed for misery porn

    The main headline on RTÉ's website this morning was "No new deaths but NPHET say cases falling more slowly".

    The palpable disappointment in that "but" was immensely revealing.
    HereinBray wrote: »
    Can I ask why you keep stating the phrase in bold please?

    Micheál Martin will be 64 at the next general election. Fianna Fáil are currently on 14.7%. He is unpopular in his parliamentary party and in the country at large, and will leave office next year - handing the Fine Gael leader the Taoiseach's office - as the shortest-serving and most unpopular Taoiseach in the history of the State.

    He has fought three general elections as leader of Fianna Fáil, losing an average of 35 seats each time. Fianna Fáil currently has 38 seats and is currently polling lower than its absolute electoral nadir of 2011, when its leaders in the previous Dáil had included a crook, and an obese guy who turned up drunk on morning radio. It is 50/50 whether Fianna Fáil will manage to elect the 5 TDs necessary to be treated as a political party, with at least one sitting FF TD expressing the opinion that the party is going to cease to exist as a parliamentary force.

    The idea that Micheál Martin is going to be allowed to lead Fianna Fáil into the next election is an absolute fantasy shared by Micheál Martin and pretty much nobody else.

    He can do what he likes this year - and, if Fianna Fáil don't put him out, next - in the knowledge he is never going to have to account for his actions. He is a Zombie Taoiseach.

    The histrionics and conspiracy theorism by the poster "Seamus" in response to your question are beneath contempt and I have blocked the poster.


  • #6749
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    seamus wrote: »
    There's a cohort of people who believe this is all a precursor to a neverending state of emergency and the replacement of all democracy in Europe with dictatorships.

    Batsh1t crazy nonsense, in other words.

    You say batsh1t crazy and I agree with you. But that doesnt mean that we will not end up there anyway if only by accident/dynamics.

    Political and socio dynamics are impossible to predict right now. There is a huge camp out there ready to throw in everything in exchange for the illusion of protection/safety. And there are always politicians willing to cash in on stuff like that.

    Things are are in precarious balance atm and could go either way.

    I personally believe that if we don't take this chance with the vaccines to extricate ourselves out of this mess we're in for a very nasty long haul.


  • #6750
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    India is genuinely hard to explain. The US far less so.
    Some states are under heavy restrictions, others not so much. Collectively though their behaviour is less risky than it has been since the early months of the pandemic.

    My theory on the cases falling globally is that it's not caused by anything to do with the virus itself, but on a massive shared event - Christmas.
    Some countries such as Germany locked down in anticipation of it. Others, as we're all too aware, had a large spike and locked down afterwards.


    543816.png

    I think this too but if numbers keep dropping over the next week something else has to be at play. Global 7 day average is currently where it was at the middle of October, if this continues to drop over the next two weeks the trend becomes genuinely interesting.


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  • #6751
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    You say batsh1t crazy and I agree with you. But that doesnt mean that we will not end up there anyway if only by accident/dynamics.

    Political and socio dynamics are impossible to predict right now. There is a huge camp out there ready to throw in everything in exchange for the illusion of protection/safety. And there are always politicians willing to cash in on stuff like that.

    Things are are in precarious balance atm and could go either way.

    I personally believe that if we don't take this chance with the vaccines to extricate ourselves out of this mess we're in for a very nasty long haul.

    Yes, I agree that we could end up with some of this stuff by accident rather than through a nefarious plan by some sinister organisation in the background


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