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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6662
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,694 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Did Glynn really say another 6 months of level 5 restrictions ?

    It's doing the rounds on twitter

    Leo Varadkar telling hospitality sector representatives that we won't have 50 at an indoor event until September at the earliest according to reports. Bleak.


  • #6663
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar telling hospitality sector representatives that we won't have 50 at an indoor event until September at the earliest according to reports. Bleak.

    Can only hope they are going down the under promise to over deliver route


  • #6664
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar telling hospitality sector representatives that we won't have 50 at an indoor event until September at the earliest according to reports. Bleak.

    Not sure how that comes as a surprise really.

    Did anyone expect big indoor gatherings over the summer with hundreds of people and others with thousands? It's not realistic.

    Big indoor gatherings will be the last to come back


  • #6665
    Paula Jolly Tack
    Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Paula Jolly Tack


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar telling hospitality sector representatives that we won't have 50 at an indoor event until September at the earliest according to reports. Bleak.

    September seems to be the target date to keep us at the level we are currently at as we work through vaccinating the population and taking nó chances.

    That's the expectation I have in my mind. The main focus is to get the schools back functioning properly and education system on track.

    As you say, it will be bleak until then.


  • #6666
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar telling hospitality sector representatives that we won't have 50 at an indoor event until September at the earliest according to reports. Bleak.

    The same Leo Varadkar who shat all over NPHET before Christmas? The same Leo Varadkar that says things that later expose him as not knowing what's happening tomorrow let alone six months from now?


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  • #6667
    Paula Jolly Tack
    Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Paula Jolly Tack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not sure how that comes as a surprise really.

    Did anyone expect big indoor gatherings over the summer with hundreds of people and others with thousands? It's not realistic.

    Big indoor gatherings will be the last to come back

    You better believe people do. I have a mate reckons we'll be all at Malahide Castle for the concerts in the summer. Honestly don't get the delusion.


  • #6668
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,694 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not sure how that comes as a surprise really.

    Did anyone expect big indoor gatherings over the summer with hundreds of people and others with thousands? It's not realistic.

    Big indoor gatherings will be the last to come back

    I don't think anyone clued in to what is going on was expecting large events with hundreds of people, but considering we had events such as weddings with 50 people last summer then yes I do think many in the hospitality sector will be surprised that we won't even reach that this summer.


  • #6669
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    False widow spider bites? You're going to have to spell it out for me, I'm afraid.

    That story has chilled my spine!


  • #6670
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Amia Old Scratch wrote: »
    You better believe people do. I have a mate reckons we'll be all at Malahide Castle for the concerts in the summer. Honestly don't get the delusion.

    Outdoor events have a chance and by that I mean probably what we had last year where a few hundred were allowed to go to a match but that sort of event I dont know how people can think it'll happen & I'm fairly desperate at this stage to get back to a gig and a football match


  • #6671
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Since covid is going to be around now going forward like the flu.... and when we have the vaccination program complete... and there’s still cases and deaths....

    What’s the plan? Level 5?


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  • #6672
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Can only hope they are going down the under promise to over deliver route

    I think it's mainly that, after all the have been burned previously. But there is also a chunk of worry about variants that are immune to the current vaccines. Though we have been told that significantly more generalised vaccines are less than 6 months away.

    Tbh all this doom and gloom confuses me. This time last year we had no cases of covid in the country (ok yes, maybe we did but you know what I mean) now less a year after our first confirmed case we have 3 very effective vaccines all ramping up. That is absolutely phenomenal progress. While we may be suffering the effects of lockdown now I am absolutely convinced we can manage this. There is absolutely no way covid can overcome the entire world's medical advancements.


  • #6673
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Donnelly catching some heat on twitter for not letting certain journalists in to the press conference. Senior journo had to stand up for the rest before they were allowed in.

    Has there ever been a more disastrous minister. Everything he touches seems to be covered in a thick, slimy combination of incompetence and arrogance. Really dangerous mix.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1361428312564899846?s=20


  • #6674
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Since covid is going to be around now going forward like the flu.... and when we have the vaccination program complete... and there’s still cases and deaths....

    What’s the plan? Level 5?

    A normal life with hopefully greater vigilance to ensure a nasty variant or something worse doesn't start freely circulating.


  • #6675
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Turtwig wrote: »
    A normal life with hopefully greater vigilance to ensure a nasty variant or something worse doesn't start freely circulating.

    I don’t see the point when things are going to be anyway significantly different to now. Few less in hospital, fewer deaths..... nothing else


  • #6676
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    Hospital operations update

    In hospital 849 (79 less than 8pm last night)
    In ICU 155 (it was 157 last night but sadly 5 deaths in the last 24hrs)

    Last Monday we had 1212 in hospital and 173 in ICU.


  • #6677
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I don’t see the point when things are going to be anyway significantly different to now. Few less in hospital, fewer deaths..... nothing else

    I don't understand your post. Sorry. Are you saying you don't see things changing from how they are currently?


  • #6678
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I don't understand your post. Sorry. Are you saying you don't see things changing from how they are currently?

    Yeah. Covid is here long term now. Not going anywhere. Vaccines mean less deaths and hospitalisations but it will still be around. Still have cases etc


  • #6679
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Yeah. Covid is here long term now. Not going anywhere. Vaccines mean less deaths and hospitalisations but it will still be around. Still have cases etc

    Same as influenza. We will get our annual vaccine.


  • #6680
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Hospital operations update

    In hospital 849 (79 less than 8pm last night)
    In ICU 155 (it was 157 last night but sadly 5 deaths in the last 24hrs)

    Last Monday we had 1212 in hospital and 173 in ICU.

    Philip Nolan predicted 600-800 in hospitals by the end of February

    Think we'll have a great chance of being under the 600 range by the end of the month hopefully

    Great progress thankfully


  • #6681
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Same as influenza. We will get our annual vaccine.

    Exactly, but my point being that NPHET can spend the rest of their lives doing daily press conferences about cases and deaths from Covid. At what point does things change? I dont see how things are going to be any different to now.


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  • #6682
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Amia Old Scratch wrote: »
    September seems to be the target date to keep us at the level we are currently at as we work through vaccinating the population and taking nó chances.

    That's the expectation I have in my mind. The main focus is to get the schools back functioning properly and education system on track.

    As you say, it will be bleak until then.

    This isn’t the most sensible date by the Government. The virus will spread less in the summer months and start increasing again from the Autumn. We’re coming up on a year of this now so we can see what it does.


  • #6683
    newmember2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Can someone answer me re vaccines - the current vaccine rollouts will attempt at vaccinating people so that people will not fall sick from Covid and so not overwhelm the health services. The vaccination does not prevent the reproduction or transmission of the virus, so what's the eventual outcome?


  • #6684
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    D.Q wrote: »
    Donnelly catching some heat on twitter for not letting certain journalists in to the press conference. Senior journo had to stand up for the rest before they were allowed in.

    Has there ever been a more disastrous minister. Everything he touches seems to be covered in a thick, slimy combination of incompetence and arrogance. Really dangerous mix.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1361428312564899846?s=20
    If we weren’t in the middle of a pandemic, the path of Stephen Donnelly’s career and the continuous and relentless self-owns would be quite comical.


  • #6685
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    newmember? wrote: »
    Can someone answer me re vaccines - the current vaccine rollouts will attempt at vaccinating people so that people will not fall sick from Covid and so not overwhelm the health services. The vaccination does not prevent the reproduction or transmission of the virus, so what's the eventual outcome?

    EDIT; Replied to wrong post


  • #6686
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    If we weren’t in the middle of a pandemic, the path of Stephen Donnelly’s career and the continuous and relentless self-owns would be quite comical.

    Can we just get together springfield style and fire him into the sun


  • #6687
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    This isn’t the most sensible date by the Government. The virus will spread less in the summer months and start increasing again from the Autumn. We’re coming up on a year of this now so we can see what it does.

    Exactly. You need to be open in June. People need the summer months open. All the high risk groups SHOULD be vaccinated by then. And with seasonality effecting the virus its not going to get any better in the Autumn. I really really dont get waiting for September.


  • #6688
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Yeah. Covid is here long term now. Not going anywhere. Vaccines mean less deaths and hospitalisations but it will still be around. Still have cases etc

    Covid isn't going anywhere. That's true. The impact of covid is changeable and well within our control. If we play our cards right we will have a normal life again. We will still have to manage covid for some time to come but that doesn't mean a life like 2019 isn't impossible. It's just going to take a while.


  • #6689
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    newmember? wrote: »
    Can someone answer me re vaccines - the current vaccine rollouts will attempt at vaccinating people so that people will not fall sick from Covid and so not overwhelm the health services. The vaccination does not prevent the reproduction or transmission of the virus, so what's the eventual outcome?

    I think that last bit is still unclear, but the outcome from your first statement is obvious. Less illness and less pressure on the health system, which is great.


  • #6690
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Exactly. You need to be open in June. People need the summer months open. All the high risk groups SHOULD be vaccinated by then. And with seasonality effecting the virus its not going to get any better in the Autumn. I really really dont get waiting for September.

    I'm no statistician but I'm guessing those that work for the govt are possibly suggesting that estimates would still see our healthcare system overrun by people who aren't high risk (of dying I assume?) still getting very sick. Plus I think there's 2 sides to try and balance ethically, people's livelihoods and sanity over a summer and letting more people get sick and die from a dangerous disease we have a vaccine rolling out for which would hopefully be complete just a few months later. I don't think arguing either side is inherently wrong.


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  • #6691
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    newmember? wrote: »
    Can someone answer me re vaccines - the current vaccine rollouts will attempt at vaccinating people so that people will not fall sick from Covid and so not overwhelm the health services. The vaccination does not prevent the reproduction or transmission of the virus, so what's the eventual outcome?

    I'm going to cheat here a little:
    If everyone is vaccinated there is almost nobody for the virus to infect to the point of requiring health care. Prevention of transmission becomes a bit moot.

    If a vaccine primes the immune system to deal with the virus faster then a person should be infectious for a shorter period of time. That should reduce the rate of transmission though it may not stop it entirely.

    The vaccines were designed for preventing illness and infection as that is the priority. However they should also reduce transmission it just wasn't feasible to set the initial trials that way. The preliminary info we have suggests they do reduce transmission. The picture for that will become clearer as more and more are vaccinated.


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