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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6422
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Israel is thinking of opening stuff up from next week.

    With 25% vaccinated all the vulnerable are covered at this stage.




    https://www.timesofisrael.com/synagogues-stores-could-be-reopened-for-all-sunday-malls-gyms-for-vaccinated/

    Israel is the most interesting case study and will be for the next few weeks. Eager to see how they go.


  • #6423
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Just heard some HSE stooge on Claire Byrne say we might allow inter country travel by late June/July. :rolleyes:

    Very generous of them

    Thats only 6 or 7 months of not seeing friends, family, partners in other counties

    Intercounty travel was only allowed for 8 days at Christmas so if we take even up to June Bank Holiday its 8/229 days since Level 5 in October

    Don't think people are going to wait that long and will just travel even with the threat of a fine


  • #6424
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Data from 600,000 shows 94% effectiveness from Israel. That matches with the trials data and a clear validation of real world efficacy. Not great if you are in the 6% but for a first generation vaccine that is unlikely to be beaten, especially as this is in older people.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/study-finds-94-drop-in-symptomatic-covid-cases-with-pfizer-vaccine-1.4484846

    The real question is there data on asymptomatic transmission rate coming.

    Someone needs to do the math on the impact of this on the R0, if you can get the natural R0 to under 1 its all over


  • #6425
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I actually this the current Government messaging will do more harm than good. People need to have some hope - the negativity is extraordinary.

    I totally agree. It is because they have zero faith in their own plans and systems. This is not leadership - it is utter negligence.

    For such a generally innovative, creative and dynamic population, our public services are total rubbish and our political leadership is non existent.

    Nothing matters except vaccination - it is the single most important issue in this country since WW2 (which we hid from).

    We should mobilise all our resources, bulldoze away any vested interests and have a mission to get this done and dusted (by whatever means possible) by June.

    That would be leadership.


  • #6426
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    ] - it is the single most important issue in this country since WW2 (which we hid from).

    Completely off topic but that is a false and ridiculous claim.


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  • #6427
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Very generous of them

    Thats only 6 or 7 months of not seeing friends, family, partners in other counties

    Intercounty travel was only allowed for 8 days at Christmas so if we take even up to June Bank Holiday its 8/229 days since Level 5 in October

    Don't think people are going to wait that long and will just travel even with the threat of a fine

    Anyone who might run the risk of being fined better have deep pockets.


  • #6428
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Just heard some HSE stooge on Claire Byrne say we might allow inter country travel by late June/July. :rolleyes:

    that stooge was Dr Gabriel (Hysteria) Scally. He also suggested Covid is now being spread in supermarkets, that we need to wear far more impenetrable medical masks (not the cotton ones) and that "long Covid" is causing huge issues even in children who could end up with disabilities from it...........!! :eek:.....at this point Claire Byrne said "thank you very much as always".

    It sounding more like desperation at this stage, trying to keep people on board. Its not working. Dr Scally is creating his own echo chamber and RTE are desperately hanging in there. The more positivity there is from the UK, the worse the negativity gets here. Its bizarre and the irony is its actually counter productive. People are simply not buying it anymore.


  • #6429
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭quokula


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    I totally agree. It is because they have zero faith in their own plans and systems. This is not leadership - it is utter negligence.

    For such a generally innovative, creative and dynamic population, our public services are total rubbish and our political leadership is non existent.

    Nothing matters except vaccination - it is the single most important issue in this country since WW2 (which we hid from).

    We should mobilise all our resources, bulldoze away any vested interests and have a mission to get this done and dusted (by whatever means possible) by June.

    That would be leadership.

    Our rate of vaccination is in line with or ahead of most of the EU. It's ahead of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Finland, Sweden, Greece and many others. It's ahead of nearly every country in the world with just a dozen or so exceptions.

    We can't vaccinate more people than vaccines exist.


  • #6430
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Anyone who might run the risk of being fined better have deep pockets.

    What are the consequences for not paying the fines?


  • #6431
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    What are the consequences for not paying the fines?

    Summons to court. Same as traffic fines.


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  • #6432
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Anyone who might run the risk of being fined better have deep pockets.

    They can't fine/imprison everyone if there's mass disregard for it


  • #6433
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    What are the consequences for not paying the fines?

    I doubt a €100 fine will mean destitution for anyone. If they receive one.


  • #6434
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    that stooge was Dr Gabriel (Hysteria) Scally. He also suggested Covid is now being spread in supermarkets, that we need to wear far more impenetrable medical masks (not the cotton ones) and that "long Covid" is causing huge issues even in children who could end up with disabilities from it...........!! :eek:.....at this point Claire Byrne said "thank you very much as always".

    It sounding more like desperation at this stage, trying to keep people on board. Its not working. Dr Scally is creating his own echo chamber and RTE are desperately hanging in there. The more positivity there is from the UK, the worse the negativity gets here. Its bizarre and the irony is its actually counter productive. People are simply not buying it anymore.

    More than 200 children suffered from long-term covid in Stockholm
    More and more children are being investigated for long-term covid at the newly started specialist clinic at Astrid Lindgren's Hospital in Stockholm. The idea was that 20 children would be received, but more than twice have been referred. New figures from the Stockholm Region produced by SVT show that over 200 children in the region have been diagnosed with long-term covid.

    - Some go to school, some are completely bedridden, says Malin Ryd Linder, chief physician at the specialist clinic for long-term sick children in Stockholm.

    It's in Swedish, but Chrome will translate it for you

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/allt-fler-barn-utreds-for-langtidscovid


  • #6435
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I doubt a €100 fine will mean destitution for anyone. If they receive one.

    Those who consistently break the restrictions aren't likely to pay fines imo.


  • #6436
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    quokula wrote: »
    Our rate of vaccination is in line with or ahead of most of the EU. It's ahead of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Finland, Sweden, Greece and many others. It's ahead of nearly every country in the world with just a dozen or so exceptions.

    We can't vaccinate more people than vaccines exist.

    And we can't flap our wings and fly either but that's not the point.

    We are shortly going to have millions of vaccine doses. Are you confident that we will vaccinate everybody as quickly as possible?


  • #6437
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    titan18 wrote: »
    They can't fine/imprison everyone if there's mass disregard for it

    Why do you think people can`t be fined? They can and have been regardless of the numbers involved. BTW who other than yourself mentioned imprisoning anyone?


  • #6438
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    quokula wrote: »
    Our rate of vaccination is in line with or ahead of most of the EU. It's ahead of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Finland, Sweden, Greece and many others. It's ahead of nearly every country in the world with just a dozen or so exceptions.

    We can't vaccinate more people than vaccines exist.
    People also don't seem to get economies of scale. We cannot demand more than our share of the available vaccines, and we can't make special deals to get more; we can't afford it.

    There is also a functional limit on just how many vaccinations can be carried out. The UK has now done enough first doses to fully vaccinate our population 3 times over.
    Even if we could, for the sake of argument, get 10 million doses next week, next we need to consider that the UK has 80,000 vaccinators, which is about 5% of the NHS staff.

    Our entire healthcare system - everyone, healthcare staff, admin staff, porters - is 100,000 people.

    So even if we had all the doses we needed, we would have to second every single qualified healthcare worker in the state, have them abandon what they're doing, and do nothing but vaccinations.

    And that's before you get to the logisitics of setting up the facilities to administer 250,000 doses a day, and all of the staff and resources you would need to achieve that.


  • #6439
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,652 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    seamus wrote: »
    People also don't seem to get economies of scale. We cannot demand more than our share of the available vaccines, and we can't make special deals to get more; we can't afford it.

    There is also a functional limit on just how many vaccinations can be carried out. The UK has now done enough first doses to fully vaccinate our population 3 times over.
    Even if we could, for the sake of argument, get 10 million doses next week, next we need to consider that the UK has 80,000 vaccinators, which is about 5% of the NHS staff.

    Our entire healthcare system - everyone, healthcare staff, admin staff, porters - is 100,000 people.

    So even if we had all the doses we needed, we would have to second every single qualified healthcare worker in the state, have them abandon what they're doing, and do nothing but vaccinations.

    And that's before you get to the logisitics of setting up the facilities to administer 250,000 doses a day, and all of the staff and resources you would need to achieve that.
    Other countries have made deals to get more vaccines though? Like Germany


  • #6440
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I doubt a €100 fine will mean destitution for anyone. If they receive one.

    What is to stop a heavier fine being imposed? If it can be implemented for non essential foreign travel it can be brought in for this as well albeit a lesser amount.


  • #6441
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Why do you think people can`t be fined? They can and have been regardless of the numbers involved. BTW who other than yourself mentioned imprisoning anyone?

    What measures are in place for people who don't pay the fines?


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  • #6442
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Just heard some HSE stooge on Claire Byrne say we might allow inter country travel by late June/July. :rolleyes:

    Good luck with that. Most people I know will be doing it in March.


  • #6443
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    What is to stop a heavier fine being imposed? If it can be implemented for non essential foreign travel it can be brought in for this as well albeit a lesser amount.
    Then every trip becomes essential, just like essential dental care in Tenerife. ;-)


  • #6444
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    What is to stop a heavier fine being imposed? If it can be implemented for non essential foreign travel it can be brought in for this as well albeit a lesser amount.

    Support bubble is all you need to say.


  • #6445
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    gmisk wrote: »
    Other countries have made deals to get more vaccines though? Like Germany
    Germany aren't getting doses any faster though. Germany's extra doses will come after the EU's full allocation has been delivered and distributed.

    If the goal is faster distribution, then there's basically nothing anyone can do to speed it up except make sure their supplies are arriving safely.

    When we get to May/June we might begin to see some discrepancies. We've bet on having access to a range of vaccines. Germany have bought a load of extra doses. So if, when the EU's allocation is fully delivered, there is a shortfall in other supplies, Germany will have a buffer of the extra doses they have on backorder.


  • #6446
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    What measures are in place for people who don't pay the fines?

    Another poster already answered you. Non payment of fines means a court summons with the strong probability of a heavier fine being imposed.


  • #6447
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Support bubble is all you need to say.

    Or visiting a grave, providing care to a family member. Or to purchase an essential product.


  • #6448
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Support bubble is all you need to say.

    And you believe that every Garda will accept that cover story at face value?


  • #6449
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This Long Covid is the same as Long influenza, the difference is, Covid has the spotlight. Studies into long terms effects of Flu are thin enough on the ground and yet here we have a NEW disease we know NOTHING about according to experts, and it's now implicated in everything..

    I read last week they're discovering dozens of other syptoms..Basically if you wake up in the morning with a desire to have a ****...It's a sign of Covid-19 that requires a test ASAP.

    https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6

    https://www.jneurosci.org/content/38/12/3060

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0945053X18301458


  • #6450
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    And you believe that every Garda will accept that cover story at face value?

    they do, I've used it countless times over the last few months! I have travelled from Louth to Limerick to be with my daughter from November right up to a fortnight ago. I said every time I was stopped that she is in my support bubble. This was the truth. Each time I was wished good luck and told to continue on my journey.


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  • #6451
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Good luck with that. Most people I know will be doing it in March.

    this.

    want to stop inter county travel until the summer? not a hope will that be followed


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