Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

fin12 · 15-02-2021 01:52AM

I’d luv to go to a nightclub now more than a pub.

opinionated3 · 15-02-2021 08:39AM

Martin saying this morning it will be several months before hospitality and pubs can open. Blaming them again for the problems since Christmas. I'd say September at the earliest for wet pubs at a guess....... Anyone hearing otherwise?

Kunta Kinte · 15-02-2021 10:36AM

fin12 wrote: »

I’d luv to go to a nightclub now more than a pub.

Maybe sometime in 2022. Not before then, not legally anyway.

Patches oHoulihan · 15-02-2021 10:37AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Filled with wine! Mossy Finnegans are a dying breed.

I like a glass of wine meself however I would never drink it in a pub.
I am 40 and I see me wanting pints in a pub for the foreseeable

Kunta Kinte · 15-02-2021 10:38AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Martin saying this morning it will be several months before hospitality and pubs can open. Blaming them again for the problems since Christmas. I'd say September at the earliest for wet pubs at a guess....... Anyone hearing otherwise?

More likely November/December.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 10:44AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Martin saying this morning it will be several months before hospitality and pubs can open. Blaming them again for the problems since Christmas. I'd say September at the earliest for wet pubs at a guess....... Anyone hearing otherwise?

Did he blame them for the problem since Christmas? What exactly did he say?

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 10:48AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

More likely November/December.

Lads, a small bit of realism. They'll probably open during the warm weather and if there's a change in November/December it would most likely be to close them again. But hopefully it doesn't come to that if the vaccine rollout and efficacy goes well.

The chance of them opening for the first time in Nov/Dec is a fairly unlikely suggestion.

Tenzor07 · 15-02-2021 11:32AM

fin12 wrote: »

I’d luv to go to a nightclub now more than a pub.

Once you have your Vaccine then hop on a flight this summer.. looks like the UK may have these open this year... Ireland won't..

PommieBast · 15-02-2021 11:49AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Once you have your Vaccine then hop on a flight this summer.. looks like the UK may have these open this year... Ireland won't..

Way things are going I will be hopping on a flight to get my vaccine...

Tenzor07 · 15-02-2021 11:51AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The chance of them opening for the first time in Nov/Dec is a fairly unlikely suggestion.

The chance of many of the smaller family owned Pub business still being opened by then is also a fairly unlikely thing..

mightyreds · 15-02-2021 11:56AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Once you have your Vaccine then hop on a flight this summer.. looks like the UK may have these open this year... Ireland won't..

Drive 2 hours up the road also, NI will follow whatever the UK plan is, we will probably have people heading up every weekend over the summer, pressure mounting over there to stop restrictions at the end of May.

Fr_Dougal · 15-02-2021 11:57AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The chance of many of the smaller family owned Pub business still being opened by then is also a fairly unlikely thing..

Would it not be a case that these small family owned pubs are paid off already? No rents to pay etc., owners are on the PUP. It’s the newer bars that are mortgaged up to the hilt that might never open.

dominatinMC · 15-02-2021 12:00PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Would it not be a case that these small family owned pubs are paid off already? No rents to pay etc., owners are on the PUP. It’s the newer bars that are mortgaged up to the hilt that might never open.

I would have thought the same thing. Our village has 5 pubs, all family owned, and they've all told me that they will be reopening whenever they are given the go-ahead, but they also told me that they heard from others in the trade that it's the city pubs that are under pressure

dominatinMC · 15-02-2021 12:01PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lads, a small bit of realism. They'll probably open during the warm weather and if there's a change in November/December it would most likely be to close them again. But hopefully it doesn't come to that if the vaccine rollout and efficacy goes well.

The chance of them opening for the first time in Nov/Dec is a fairly unlikely suggestion.

I tend to go-along with this. There isn't a hope in hell that they will decide to reopen pubs for the first time in December - it will be manic. They will ease people back in with a late summer opening I suspect

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 12:02PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The chance of many of the smaller family owned Pub business still being opened by then is also a fairly unlikely thing..

I'm not sure what you mean. When are you talking about?

opinionated3 · 15-02-2021 12:05PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Did he blame them for the problem since Christmas? What exactly did he say?

If we have learned anything, it's that the virus and hospitality are too compatible.....

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 12:14PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

If we have learned anything, it's that the virus and hospitality are too compatible.....

Ah so he didn't blame pubs for the problems since Christmas?

Why do people have such a terrible problem with reading and repeating information accurately?

opinionated3 · 15-02-2021 12:16PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah so he didn't blame pubs for the problems since Christmas?

Why do people have such a terrible problem with reading and repeating information accurately?

I read between the lines. Are you incapable of that?

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 12:21PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I read between the lines. Are you incapable of that?

Am i incapable of reading that he blamed the pubs for the problems since Christmas from what he said? Yes, I am, and so should you.

Bigfatmichael · 15-02-2021 12:25PM

Be back open in May with something like max 15 inside and beer gardens been open.

PommieBast · 15-02-2021 12:26PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Would it not be a case that these small family owned pubs are paid off already? No rents to pay etc., owners are on the PUP. It’s the newer bars that are mortgaged up to the hilt that might never open.

I thought most pubs were tenanted, so I suspect arguments between tenants and landlords will keep a lot of them closed longer than necessary.

Tenzor07 · 15-02-2021 12:52PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean. When are you talking about?

How can a family run business manage to retain their premises and license over a period of 21 months of no cashflow, rents and service bills still need paying...?

dominatinMC · 15-02-2021 12:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

How can a family run business manage to retain their premises and license over a period of 21 months of no cashflow, rents and service bills still need paying...?

The major ticket item is rent - and if the pub is family owned, then this is non-existant. Obviously, other services need to be paid, such as rates, etc, but one would assume that VFI fees etc will be exempt this year.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 01:18PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

How can a family run business manage to retain their premises and license over a period of 21 months of no cashflow, rents and service bills still need paying...?

I don’t know. Savings, government assistance, loans, and trading when allowed, would be my guess. Why are you asking me ? I’m not an expert on the pub trade.

Your original point wasn’t clear what timeframe you were talking about. And I still don’t know what point you were making.

Edit: forget it. Some pubs will close and i suspect it will take you another few posts to get to the point.

Tenzor07 · 15-02-2021 01:26PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t know. Savings, government assistance, loans, and trading when allowed, would be my guess. Why are you asking me ? I’m not an expert on the pub trade.
Your original point wasn’t clear what timeframe you were talking about. And I still don’t know what point you were making.
Edit: forget it. Some pubs will close and i suspect it will take you another few posts to get to the point.

Because you seem to know it all by answering almost every single post on here? So you're an Expert on the matter it seems?

Anyways, my point was that small family owned pubs won't survive the Lockdown, by the time they get to reopen it will be at least 21 months since they earned a cent... and I'm sure by then they'd of burned through any savings and loans.. Government grants? Very funny!

Tenzor07 · 15-02-2021 01:28PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

The major ticket item is rent - and if the pub is family owned, then this is non-existant. Obviously, other services need to be paid, such as rates, etc, but one would assume that VFI fees etc will be exempt this year.

I'd say the smaller places may have remortgaged the property if it was fully paid for..
A lot of Pub licenses will be up for sale this year I reckon, and will suit the large pub groups to buy up the good ones in the cities..

doublejobbing 2 · 15-02-2021 01:29PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9261527/Wetherspoon-wants-pubs-reopened-time-non-essential-shops.html

Britain on course for indoor drinking by May. Our gimps telling us we just might be allowed a beer garden at some stage in the summer.

The time has come for charges of criminal negligence to be brought against Mehole and Leo for having left the borders open in general, but at Christmas in particular. They should be stripped of their savings and their homes as a token of compensation.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2021 01:29PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Because you seem to know it all by answering almost every single post on here? So you're an Expert on the matter it seems?

Anyways, my point was that small family owned pubs won't survive the Lockdown, by the time they get to reopen it will be at least 21 months since they earned a cent... and I'm sure by then they'd of burned through any savings and loans.. Government grants? Very funny!

Ah. It only took 3 posts to make your point.

I don’t claim to be an expert. Are you an expert?

In any case, yes, some businesses will close as a result of the pandemic and the recession that will likely follow. I don’t think it’s funny at all.

Tenzor07 · 15-02-2021 01:30PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah. It only took 3 posts to make your point.
I don’t claim to be an expert. Are you an expert?
In any case, yes, some businesses will close as a result of the pandemic and the recession that will likely follow. I don’t think it’s funny at all.

Answering almost every single post in a specific thread tends to give that impression of expertise! :rolleyes:

Kunta Kinte · 15-02-2021 01:33PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9261527/Wetherspoon-wants-pubs-reopened-time-non-essential-shops.html

Britain on course for indoor drinking by May. Our gimps telling us we just might be allowed a beer garden at some stage in the summer.

The time has come for charges of criminal negligence to be brought against Mehole and Leo for having left the borders open in general, but at Christmas in particular. They should be stripped of their savings and their homes as a token of compensation.

Anything else you would like to see happen in your fantasy La La land?:rolleyes:

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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