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Ireland v France 2021 6n

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    #932
    VANG1
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    We were beaten by a better team, well done France. We need more quality players to match the large playing population countries. More investment in youth, get all the academies to Leinster standard and have more a level matches.


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    #933
    WoollyRedHat
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    AF going to need to dip into the transfer market I reckon.


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    #934
    thomas 123
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    walshb wrote: »
    Yes. That’s sport. That’s life

    It’s the almost glee like comments and criticisms that are so prevalent against our rugby team...

    Supporters are allowed critique their team.

    This is a discussion forum, nobody would be here if everyone blindly said whopee, well done, better luck next time.

    Sure it matters not what we say here but we have been getting progressively worse since the New Zealand win.


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    #935
    TheCitizen
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    "The helicopter view" is that the buzzword now? Ireland lost two games against two teams that didn't turn up.


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    #936
    Blanco100
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    How is Jack Carry not considered for this panel, he surely adds something different at 10.


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    #937
    walshb
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Supporters are allowed critique their team.

    This is a discussion forum, nobody would be here if everyone blindly said whopee, well done, better luck next time.

    Sure it matters not what we say here but we have been getting progressively worse since the New Zealand win.

    I am not talking about constructive debate and criticisms..


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    #938
    awec
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    almostover wrote: »
    We replaced Ryan and POM with Henderson and Ruddock. Little to no drop off in quality. Replaced Murray and Sexton with JGP and BB. Huge drop off in quality. Therein lies the issue.

    We didn’t replace Ryan with Henderson. Henderson has been a regular Ireland starter for years.


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    #939
    clsmooth
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    Jaysus, it’s toxic in here. No shame getting beaten by that French team. Enjoy your negativity lads.


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    #940
    Augme
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    Reddan with a very rosey view of things I have to say.


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    #941
    prawnsambo
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Williams more or less saying Farrell has not brought ireland forward
    Muddy Williams is an awful spoofer. Always has been. He's sometimes right, like a stopped clock. An example him saying that France have moved forward more than we have while omitting the fact that they have 28 pro teams to our 4.


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    #942
    StevenToast
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    Andy Farrell is an excellent defence coach...

    He is not a head coach.

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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    #943
    shootermacg
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    Missed tackles and a few handling errors. Can't blame a coach for that really, that's down to the individual.


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    #944
    Larbre34
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    Farrell looks a man under pressure and full of anxiety.


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    #945
    razorblunt
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    mfceiling wrote: »
    Who's that?

    Ruddock I’d imagine.


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    #946
    hahashake
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    clsmooth wrote: »
    Jaysus, it’s toxic in here. No shame getting beaten by that French team. Enjoy your negativity lads.

    Same people that were picking and hoping for a 20+ point French win margin no doubt.


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    #947
    D.Q
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    clsmooth wrote: »
    Jaysus, it’s toxic in here. No shame getting beaten by that French team. Enjoy your negativity lads.

    Was just gonna say. This is one of the nastiest forums on match day haha

    Combo of glory hunters throwing the toys out of the pram and trolls in for a rise.


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    #948
    AdamD
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    Both teams should have had 2 or 3 more penalties for holding on, the ref just completely ignored the breakdown, weird to watch.

    Both Burns and Byrne were decent today, which is all Sexton has been for a while. So the clamour to keep Sexton around needs to end.


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    #949
    ersatz
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Attacking play is so poor. No invention out of the centers, beyond Ringrose stepping and slipping. Everything is so lateral. No weak side runners at an angle, no effective grubbers or dinks. Best piece of of handling was Lowe and JGP along the sidelines.

    Catt needs to be given the boot.

    Plus no forward coming onto the ball at pace. France, Italy, and England are at their most dangerous with this simple tactic. Ireland never do it. France made yards all day all day with direct carries and off loads down the middle. Kicking was brainless, I have no idea how Farrell intended to break France down today. Very disappointing given that Irish pressure disrupted France thoroughly early on. I think it boils down to a real lack of quality in players we have and a commensurate lack of tactical preparation by the coaches. Lowe is out of his depth unfortunately though maybe we’d feel different if Keenan has given him another yard for his try. I felt bad for the players late on, they had put themselves in a position to win, against the odds, but had no real strategy to close it out. And I don’t think Sexton and Murray would have made a difference.

    Positives are that we disrupted a very good French team and made them look ordinary for most of the game. Line out and scrum were good, ruddock, henshaw, ringrose, CJ, were solid. And we came close, if Burns nailed that early penalty who knows.


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    Augme
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Muddy Williams is an awful spoofer. Always has been. He's sometimes right, like a stopped clock. An example him saying that France have moved forward more than we have while omitting the fact that they have 28 pro teams to our 4.

    So we just give up and accept we will never compete with France? Interesting attitude.


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    #951
    Utopia Parkway
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    Blanco100 wrote: »
    How is Jack Carry not considered for this panel, he surely adds something different at 10.

    He's definitely better than Billy Burns anyway.


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    #952
    Ruggabugga101
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    StevenToast wrote: »
    Andy Farrell is an excellent defence coach...

    He is not a head coach.

    Sadly I think I think this might be the case.


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    #953
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    almostover wrote: »
    We replaced Ryan and POM with Henderson and Ruddock. Little to no drop off in quality. Replaced Murray and Sexton with JGP and BB. Huge drop off in quality. Therein lies the issue.

    Whatever about Henderson, he played well, but Ruddock didn't perform. He made 10 carries for 10 metres and made 7 tackles. Now stats aren't everything but given that he's not a set piece specialist or a jackal those are some pretty poor numbers. By contrast Stander made 44 metres and double the carries. Ruddock also only made 1 pass. I'm not trying to **** on him, he deserved to be given a go after on provincial form but that was a poor outing.


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    #954
    mfceiling
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Lowe had as many bad kicks as good kicks.
    His almost try was only an almost try.
    His missed tackles were criminal.


    The only reason we lost by two wasn’t down to our ability, it was French mistakes that stopped them scoring more and allowed us a soft try.

    The French mistakes flattered the score line but the were never in trouble.

    The reason we lost by 2 was our ability.

    Missed penalty by Burns.

    Missed try by Lowe.

    Missed tackle by Lowe.

    These were all controlled by ourselves.

    French mistakes were their doing, not ours.

    We can only control our own performance.


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    #955
    chancer12
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    Blanco100 wrote: »
    How is Jack Carry not considered for this panel, he surely adds something different at 10.


    Ciaran Frawley at Leinster is also an excellent option. However, he's being pushed to play 12 to accommodate the Byrnes. Harry has the potential to be excellent, Ross has reached his 'potential'.


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    #956
    dh1985
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    mun1 wrote: »
    French were very poor today, we could have sneaked it in the end . A bit more composure and it could have worked out for us .
    I’d pick the following team for Italy match , who will be a lot better than France were today

    1. Healy/kilcoyne
    2. Kelleher
    3. Porter/furlong.
    4. Henderson
    5. Ryan
    6. Beirne
    7. VDF
    8. Stander
    9. Murray
    10. Sexton
    11. Earls
    12. Henshaw
    13. Ringrose
    14. Larmour/Conway
    15. Keenan.


    Thought ruddock was very good today. What we have been missing at 6 for a long time. Dont think vdf is international standard also. Would like to see Connors start and see how he ruddock and stander gel.


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    #957
    Blanco100
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    Augme wrote: »
    Reddan with a very rosey view of things I have to say.

    We are on the road to learning this system or else closer to getting rid of players who won't fit in. Great stuff from Reddan.


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    #958
    Clareman
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    What controversary was there this week?


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    #959
    razorblunt
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Missed tackles and a few handling errors. Can't blame a coach for that really, that's down to the individual.

    And the backline going nowhere? Allowing a 10 to stand deep and just lob the ball on?
    All on the Coaches, buck stops with the Head Coach.


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    #960
    UAEguy2020
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    I don’t even know where we go about fixing things, the players who for any other team look confident and have the right idea look like a bunch of headless chickens for when they put on the green shirt, it’s not even the attack it’s just the attacking instinct, it just vanishes.


    Really frustrating today as it wouldn’t have taken much for it to swing in our direction.


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    #961
    shootermacg
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    Earls was super today.


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