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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6182
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    If you're fixated on them it may do but it does provide a level of granularity about who showed up and gives them a starting point for a further contact trace. I tend to look at the trends and hospital numbers for indications.

    I'm not but those figures are used to justify the closing of the country. I would expect them to be correct.


  • #6183
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Ficheall wrote: »
    As a general rule, no harm to assume everyone is positive unless you know otherwise, but that's hardly the same thing as counting them in the stats.

    Not a personal attack on you op but this is the very type of thing we need to drop and quickly.

    This crap talk from Dr Tony Holohan to let’s assume/pretend everyone has the virus
    Absolute rubbish statement to be making.

    If we turn that statement another way by saying” You have to actually have the virus to spread it “ we might actually be on the road to getting out of this mess and help those scarred by the fear of the virus.

    Only two weeks ago the good Dr Holohan came out with another doom statement to knock any little bit of positive thinking people may have got from seeing the vaccine rollout.

    “ We should assume that nobody is vaccinated until everyone is vaccinated “

    What good is this man doing for the people of this country with negativity like that ?

    NPHET and Dr Tony’s time on the main stage is long overstayed.Doing way more harm than good at this stage.


  • #6184
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,870 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The positive swabs numbers and the daily case numbers are very similar. If you didn't get tested you wouldn't be showing up in the swab numbers.


  • #6185
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    when numbers were 7-8K positive cases and they were not testing close contacts then but counting them as positive the swab count and numbers would have been way way differnt .It could have quadrupled the positive cases .So I doubt very much that its actually a fact .
    No idea if it is but I just don't sweat this stuff at all. Positivity rates, trends of the disease, R0 and hospital numbers are the metrics that matter.


  • #6186
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Yeah trying to find a link for it.


    This was my understanding anyway. They count the individual as positive if the option to test was there and the individual declined. They kind of have to.

    I should have been more pedantic though. The swab doesn't become positive but for all intents and purposes the individual is assumed positive and their close contacts are traced and recommended for testing. To put it another way, if a colleague of the poster I was replying to refused a test because that is what they are recommending you do more of his work colleagues would end up being inconvenienced and recommended for tests.
    That sounds like contact tracing much more efficient than I thought we had, given the two-day history etc. Would be interested in seeing that.


    Might be no harm to edit your original post anyway, as it's very easy to misinterpret as is.


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  • #6187
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm not but those figures are used to justify the closing of the country. I would expect them to be correct.
    Well, even if there are anomalies they were right when you look at where our hospital cases went.


  • #6188
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Not a personal attack on you op but this is the very type of thing we need to drop and quickly.

    This crap talk from Dr Tony Holohan to let’s assume/pretend everyone has the virus
    Absolute rubbish statement to be making.

    ...


    It's not negativity, it's being cautious. I wear a condom (it's been a while, thanks covid..) not because someone has something, but in case they might have it, because I don't want to catch it. Doom-mongering and all though some may perceive that to be..


  • #6189
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    So in early January when they were not testing close contacts at all were they counting them as positive ?

    They weren't counting them as positive. Have some sense. The individuals are to be assumed positive until they get tested and should take all the prescribed precautions until such time as they are shown not to be positive.


  • #6190
    MizMix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭MizMix


    Close contacts were not counted in the daily figures unless actually tested ! Testing of Close contacts only resumed about two weeks ago - this is why numbers are not dropping as quickly - in January our numbers were much lower than the reality


  • #6191
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Ficheall wrote: »
    That sounds like contact tracing much more efficient than I thought we had, given the two-day history etc. Would be interested in seeing that.


    Might be no harm to edit your original post anyway, as it's very easy to misinterpret as is.

    Unfortunately what's strived for and what happens are two very different things. That said, it was they aim for. If I get a chance later I'll try to find it links for you.

    Mea culpa with the original wording. Still waking up, didn't for one second think people would assume we'd include them in the official statistics. Have hopefully clarified that now.


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  • #6192
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They weren't counting them as positive. Have some sense. The individuals are to be assumed positive until they get tested and should take all the prescribed precautions until such time as they are shown not to be positive.

    Of course they werent , I didnt bring it up I was arguing that of course they werent .Must you be so abrasive in your replies to me ? Its not the first time.Read the room



    This was part of that conversation if you took time to read it instead of rudely replying


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    when numbers were 7-8K positive cases and they were not testing close contacts then but counting them as positive the swab count and numbers would have been way way differnt .It could have quadrupled the positive cases .So I doubt very much that its actually a fact .


  • #6193
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    What good is this man doing for the people of this country with negativity like that ?

    NPHET and Dr Tony’s time on the main stage is long overstayed.Doing way more harm than good at this stage.

    NPHET should have been disbanded in summer and replaced with a National Covid Management Advisory Board.

    Its members should have been told that they can either serve on it, or be celebrities appearing on the Late Late Show, but not both.


  • #6194
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Refuse a test unless you have symptoms. Simple and easy way to stop this nonsense carryon.

    We’re a year into this situation and it’s more cautious we’re getting. It’s crazy stuff.

    We’ve turned the people of this country into judgemental fools. Everyone and everything they do is judged by covid this and covid that.

    If people want to live their life let them live it. If others want to hide in fear then let them too. But give up this sh1t of judging people for their personal choices.

    5 k /10 k travel limit is a load of rubbish when people can travel all over the country for work.

    Soon someone needs to step back and have a real look at the situation. Make some proper decisions of how to move forward and not make decisions based on who’s going to be blamed if we do this and something happens.

    As we’re progressing the restrictions are getting more severe. Ridiculous really ..

    If people want to live and if others want to hide.

    The problem is you don't know who has the virus. You're infectious before showing symptoms as well. So you just don't know.

    Letting people off to do what they want is all great but they're also mixing with people and spreading it more.

    We should be like New Zealand, the only type of lockdown we should ever have to go through is when they find a case. Lockdown hard and find cases. What we're doing now is not working and that's very clear. We cannot continue to open up and let cases increase and then lockdown for months again.


  • #6195
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    NPHET should have been disbanded in summer and replaced with a National Covid Management Advisory Board.

    Its members should have been told that they can either serve on it, or be celebrities appearing on the Late Late Show, but not both.
    And would you not then have been on here bitching about the NCMAB instead and claiming it was all a big conspiracy so they could get to be on the telly?


  • #6196
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Of course they werent , I didnt bring it up I was arguing that of course they werent .Must you be so abrasive in your replies to me ? Its not the first time.Read the room



    This was part of that conversation if you took time to read it instead of rudely replying



    The entire post I replied to was
    So in early January when they were not testing close contacts at all were they counting them as positive ?
    To me that a question bordering on believing the assertation, rather than any arguing of a point.
    Apologies if you took offense: the 'have some sense' was more directed to the general pick up and run people did with the false statement.
    As for your critique. I'll write as I wish. You read it as you wish. Two very current things.


  • #6197
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    If people want to live and if others want to hide.

    The problem is you don't know who has the virus. You're infectious before showing symptoms as well. So you just don't know.

    Letting people off to do what they want is all great but they're also mixing with people and spreading it more.

    We should be like New Zealand, the only type of lockdown we should ever have to go through is when they find a case. Lockdown hard and find cases. What we're doing now is not working and that's very clear. We cannot continue to open up and let cases increase and then lockdown for months again.


    How do we deal with freight traffic? 100's of drivers entering the country everyday from the UK and the continent.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #6198
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    we have a goverment united on something that doesnt work and still going for more, jayus its what they are good at

    Need to get out and protest big time its killing our country and out of step with most


  • #6199
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Once schools are back the 5km will have to be scrapped .It will make absolutely no sense then.Not that it ever made sense in all honesty


  • #6200
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    NPHET should have been disbanded in summer and replaced with a National Covid Management Advisory Board.

    Its members should have been told that they can either serve on it, or be celebrities appearing on the Late Late Show, but not both.

    It suits the government to have them there. It muddies the water, means the politicians aren't the fall guys and deflects from their inability to manage the situation.


  • #6201
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Were last nights hospital figures posted on here?


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  • #6202
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    We’re last nights hospital figures posted on here?

    Not sure, if not they were,

    882 in hospital down from 894

    167 in ICU down from 169, however 4 ICU deaths from 8am Friday to 8am Saturday


  • #6203
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not sure, if not they were,

    882 in hospital down from 894

    167 in ICU down from 169, however 4 ICU deaths from 8am Friday to 8am Saturday

    Cheers. The peak was what about 2000 in hospital, 230 ICU?


  • #6204
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    How do we deal with freight traffic? 100's of drivers entering the country everyday from the UK and the continent.

    An inconvenient reality which is ignored. Not to mention deep and essential business between Dublin and neighbouring jurisdictions. Plus of course the border.


  • #6205
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    BlowHard wrote: »
    Proper governance

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-auckland-placed-into-three-day-lockdown-after-three-coronavirus-cases-detected-12217821

    Compare this to the wishy washy half baked rubbish we have to put up with here.

    But I thought zero covid meant no lockdowns.
    I still believe there is a happy medium between what we have and what they have in Australia/ New Zealand. At present I think a level 4 style is the best way to live with the virus. Non essential retail, hairdressing open, county travel restrictions and cafes open but unfortunately no pubs indoor or outdoor as its too hard to get a happy balance.


  • #6206
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Ficheall wrote: »
    As a general rule, no harm to assume everyone is positive unless you know otherwise, but that's hardly the same thing as counting them in the stats.

    There's actually a lot of harm in that.


  • #6207
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prunudo wrote: »
    But I thought zero covid meant no lockdowns.
    I still believe there is a happy medium between what we have and what they have in Australia/ New Zealand. At present I think a level 4 style is the best way to live with the virus. Non essential retail, hairdressing open, county travel restrictions and cafes open but unfortunately no pubs indoor or outdoor as its too hard to get a happy balance.

    Indeed. Australia and NZ have COVID leaks, requiring lockdowns, even though they have literally no land border crossings, every single person into hotel quarantine and all imports effectively contactless (with good being taken straight out of the holds of planes into the local logistics network)

    So, even if we got to zero Covid, imagine how many leaks we would have with 1500 truckers a day entering, subject only to unreliable rapid flow tests, plus inevitable border crossings. We could have hard lockdowns, with no notice (like today in Auckland) over and over again. Frequently. And for longer periods of time given that there would have been more spread before identification given the higher number of potential carriers. The uncertainty would be worse than what we have now

    I can’t believe that people are still going on about it. It’s easy for SF to push it as they know it’s a populist move, which will never be implemented and which will make them look good. It’s a cheap shot that costs them nothing


  • #6208
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    How do we deal with freight traffic? 100's of drivers entering the country everyday from the UK and the continent.

    If we can't look at New Zealand, we need to look at Australia. Australia has closed borders between their own states. If they can do it, we can to.

    The virus is here to stay, we cannot continue with what we're doing, it's not working. We should never have 1000 cases per day. What's the end point here? Low cases, open up again, and let it grow all over again? Australia/New Zealand lockdown for days to find cases and has some normality between their lockdowns. That's what we should have as well.


  • #6209
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    In fairness, I don’t believe sinn fein are pushing for zero covid.


  • #6210
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Ficheall wrote: »
    As a general rule, no harm to assume everyone is positive unless you know otherwise, but that's hardly the same thing as counting them in the stats.

    There has been approximately 1,000 cases a day the last 2 weeks so we'll say 14,000 people at present who could be infectious.
    There are approx 4.8m million people in the country so your chances of encountering an infectious person out and about is still extremely low. If you meet them in a supermarket its even less likey you will catch it as we're all masked up.
    Spread is and has always been mainly caused in households, hospitals and care settings. Given hospitality is closed there are so few places for maskless interactions with random strangers.


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  • #6211
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    fits wrote: »
    In fairness, I don’t believe sinn fein are pushing for zero covid.

    They can't . Because it would be put on them to get an agreement with the DUP .


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