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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6152
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Given that the government still doesn't think it's safe enough to even move to Level 4, the closure of schools has made negligible difference (if any at all!) and thus proves that the movement of staff and pupils to and from schools has no meaningful effect on the spread of the virus.


  • #6153
    Tullogher WRLD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭Tullogher WRLD


    Reuters reporting that Sanofi’s vaccine will not be ready this year


  • #6154
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Parachutes wrote: »
    Disagree with official narrative? Conspiracy Theorist :confused:

    I'm sure everyone would be happy to hear "alternative" views, if there is proof. But if the talk is just "oh, I bet Tony is keeping a few deaths in his pocket if we aren't scared enough", it just sounds infantile.


  • #6155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Polar101 wrote: »
    I'm sure everyone would be happy to hear "alternative" views, if there is proof. But if the talk is just "oh, I bet Tony is keeping a few deaths in his pocket if we aren't scared enough", it just sounds infantile.

    A daily "death toll" for today, of which fully a quarter occurred last year rather provides grist for that mill, I'd suggest.
    Beasty wrote: »
    If you think there's a conspiracy, head over to the relevant forum. No need for such commentary here

    Nobody mentioned a conspiracy.

    It's important, when discussing the "daily deaths" to note that a quarter of "today's deaths" occurred last year.


  • #6156
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    A daily "death toll" for today, of which fully a quarter occurred last year rather provides grist for that mill, I'd suggest.



    Nobody mentioned a conspiracy.

    The deaths are not notified to NPHET, they only report them. So this conspiracy theory of them suppressing death notifications for some wild reason needs to stop. It really does belong in a conspiracy theory thread.


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  • #6157
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,627 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Tullogher WRLD wrote: »
    Reuters reporting that Sanofi’s vaccine will not be ready this year

    Not many people were banking on it, their phase 3 trials were cancelled due to poor results.


  • #6158
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    It was absolutely freezing and windy yday, but I brought smallies to the local park for a walk and a bit of air. Park was I would say at 5% of what it usually would be on a day lately if weather any way decent. Yet there was a Garda van driving around the park. It makes absolutely no sense, why can’t they police house parties or the aholes who won’t wear masks in shops (now they are pushing the narrative that it’s now supermarket infections spreading). But to waste resources driving round an empty park is just bonkers.


  • #6159
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    pc7 wrote: »
    It was absolutely freezing and windy yday, but I brought smallies to the local park for a walk and a bit of air. Park was I would say at 5% of what it usually would be on a day lately if weather any way decent. Yet there was a Garda van driving around the park. It makes absolutely no sense, why can’t they police house parties or the aholes who won’t wear masks in shops (now they are pushing the narrative that it’s now supermarket infections spreading). But to waste resources driving round an empty park is just bonkers.

    If there was a serial killer loose in St Annes Park, I wouldnt expect to see as much Garda presence.
    Driving the van up and down the main avenue on freezing week day afternoons. What they think might happen is beyond me.
    I dont ever want to hear they are under resourced for kan power again.


  • #6160
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    The deaths are not notified to NPHET, they only report them. So this conspiracy theory of them suppressing death notifications for some wild reason needs to stop. It really does belong in a conspiracy theory thread.

    It boggles the mind that people think this. If it was a big conspiracy, the first thing they'd do is not tell us when the deaths occurred, just that they've had x number of deaths reported to them.


  • #6161
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    A daily "death toll" for today, of which fully a quarter occurred last year rather provides grist for that mill, I'd suggest.



    Nobody mentioned a conspiracy.

    It's important, when discussing the "daily deaths" to note that a quarter of "today's deaths" occurred last year.

    You know rightly how deaths are registered and recorded in this country and that families have three months to do so. Your constant referring to 'last year' when we are only in February is disingenuous and a deliberate attempt to make it seem a much longer time frame than it actually is. Your implication that there is any ulterior motive is pure conspiracy theory nonsense.


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  • #6162
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Amanda Holden was reported to the police because she drove to Cornwall after receiving a distressing call from her elderly father . Seriousely why do people not understand that we are still human beings . She drove to her elderly dad to comfort him and suddenly people point the finger and she had to justify that .
    This inhumane judging of others is appalling in my opinion .


  • #6163
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Refuse a test unless you have symptoms. Simple and easy way to stop this nonsense carryon.

    We’re a year into this situation and it’s more cautious we’re getting. It’s crazy stuff.

    We’ve turned the people of this country into judgemental fools. Everyone and everything they do is judged by covid this and covid that.

    If people want to live their life let them live it. If others want to hide in fear then let them too. But give up this sh1t of judging people for their personal choices.

    5 k /10 k travel limit is a load of rubbish when people can travel all over the country for work.

    Soon someone needs to step back and have a real look at the situation. Make some proper decisions of how to move forward and not make decisions based on who’s going to be blamed if we do this and something happens.

    As we’re progressing the restrictions are getting more severe. Ridiculous really ..


  • #6164
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Refuse a test unless you have symptoms. Simple and easy way to stop this nonsense carryon.

    Close contacts who don't show for tests are assumed positive for further test and trace purposes.

    They are not added to official confirmed cases.


  • #6165
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    It was sobering and distrubing to hear the CEO of the children's charity ISPCC mention on the news last night that Childline is getting calls from children as young as 11 with suicidal ideation.


  • #6166
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »

    If others want to hide in fear then let them too. But give up this sh1t of judging people for their personal choices.

    5 k /10 k travel limit is a load of rubbish when people can travel all over the country for work.

    If you're still banging the "hide if u r scared" drum and you don't understand the travel limits, then you need to take your own advice and...
    Pitch n Putt wrote: »

    step back and have a real look at the situation.


  • #6167
    Poorside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Close contacts who don't show for tests are assumed positive.


    What, really?
    Genuinely have never heard that before, can you link something that shows it?


  • #6168
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Close contacts who don't show for tests are assumed positive.

    Seriously?


  • #6169
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Seriously?
    Statistically it may be off but it makes sense because then they can consider contacts of those contacts and head off possible transmissions in that potential cluster.


  • #6170
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Statistically it may be off but it makes sense because then they can consider contacts of those contacts and head off possible transmissions in that potential cluster.

    So in early January when they were not testing close contacts at all were they counting them as positive ?


  • #6171
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    If you're still banging the "hide if u r scared" drum and you don't understand the travel limits, then you need to take your own advice and...

    Why the media the government and Tony Holohan have the people of this country worked into a state of frenzy especially the elderly.

    People are afraid to open their front doors. People jumping off footpaths when someone approaches. It sad to see what’s been done to people.

    Covid is portrayed as a near death sentence with the way it’s constantly shoved in people’s face.

    Your a bad person somehow if u visit your grandkids etc.etc.

    Travel limits are a waste of time stupid and ridiculous. You could travel to Dublin for work 5 days a week and maybe mix with people from many different counties in work environment but if you travel at the weekend it’s a problem. Give me a break....


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  • #6172
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Seriously?

    Well if I knew of someone that was had close contact of someone that was positive, I'd be assuming they are positive for my own safety.


  • #6173
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    robbiezero wrote: »
    If there was a serial killer loose in St Annes Park, I wouldnt expect to see as much Garda presence.
    Driving the van up and down the main avenue on freezing week day afternoons. What they think might happen is beyond me.
    I dont ever want to hear they are under resourced for kan power again.

    Last time i was in St Annes was probably november, (outside my 5k now) meeting up with family for a walk, gardai were also driving around in their car saying something from loudspeaker. No one could hear what they were saying. Everyone just ignored them. Park was fairly busy that day, but its big enough to socially distance


  • #6174
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    So in early January when they were not testing close contacts at all were they counting them as positive ?
    No idea but with the huge numbers of positives it's academic.


  • #6175
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Statistically it may be off but it makes sense because then they can consider contacts of those contacts and head off possible transmissions in that potential cluster.
    It makes a nonsense of the case figures imo.


  • #6176
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    blade1 wrote: »
    Well if I knew of someone that was had close contact of someone that was positive, I'd be assuming they are positive for my own safety.
    As a general rule, no harm to assume everyone is positive unless you know otherwise, but that's hardly the same thing as counting them in the stats.


  • #6177
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Close contacts who don't show for tests are assumed positive.
    You're going to have to back this up, or it should be deleted as a dangerous lie that some people will be only too willing to run with.


  • #6178
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It makes a nonsense of the case figures imo.
    If you're fixated on them it may do but it does provide a level of granularity about who showed up and gives them a starting point for a further contact trace. I tend to look at the trends and hospital numbers for indications.


  • #6179
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You're going to have to back this up, or it should be deleted as a dangerous lie that some people will be only too willing to run with.
    It cant be right .Then the positive swab count is close enough to the positive cases announced .If they counted no show close contacts then it would be way off


  • #6180
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No idea but with the huge numbers of positives it's academic.

    when numbers were 7-8K positive cases and they were not testing close contacts then but counting them as positive the swab count and numbers would have been way way differnt .It could have quadrupled the positive cases .So I doubt very much that its actually a fact .


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  • #6181
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You're going to have to back this up, or it should be deleted as a dangerous lie that some people will be only too willing to run with.

    Yeah trying to find a link for it.


    This was my understanding anyway. They count the individual as positive if the option to test was there and the individual declined. They kind of have to.

    I should have been more pedantic though. The swab doesn't become positive but for all intents and purposes the individual is assumed positive and their close contacts are traced and recommended for testing. To put it another way, if a colleague of the poster I was replying to refused a test because that is what they are recommending you do more of his work colleagues would end up being inconvenienced and recommended for tests.


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