Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

billy_beckham wrote: »

2. I will continue to engage with all education representative bodies, including teacher unions, to provide Leaving Certificate examinations and a corresponding measure for examination students.

She states above Leaving Cert + alternatives??

Presume one of alternatives is calculated or projects + calculated or something like this.

Majority will go for calculated i would assume.

Did straw poll with my gang and they all want calculated.

BiggJim wrote: »

Heard more reports today of teachers giving from abroad today. Word of mouth only but would you be surprised.

Yeah, they had a bit about it on Prime Time.

One fella was on his way to the airport and was stopped by Gardaí. He tested positive for cocaine.

Presume he was a teacher, doing lines off the dashboard while on the motorway. Heading for the sun, living it up, with lesson plans written on a rolled up €100 note.

Who could blame him?

Mrsmum wrote: »

Personally I think it is very frightening for students when they see mommy (ASTI) and daddy (DoEd) fighting over something that hugely and primarily affects said students. I am disappointed that Asti walked out of talks. I consider that a disrespectful act towards the LC students. They knew going in that an alternative route was to be discussed. They had a voice in the talks as to what options were workable etc and that was the place for them to make their case. They are one voice, they are not the only voice but if their case is as strong as they feel it to be, they should be able to convince the other parties in the talks as to that. Walking out on discussions of paramount importance to their students is a very bad look imo. LC students were hoping for the promised clarity next week and that's unlikely now. And the way I see it, in the middle of this pandemic, you can't put all your LC eggs in one basket so at the end of the day an alternative will have to be discussed anyway. We have no way of knowing what will happen when we open up again.

We don't know how the talks were progressing though I suppose

If they entered into talks with the condition that LC exam will be facilitated and it looks a lot like govt aren't serious about running them and just stringing them along in talks at this stage + they can see from no recruitment eyc the way things are going they may have no other option to try get things back on track or at least have their concerns heard

The govt are well capable of pulling dirty tricks as evidenced by the last 10 yrs.....

BiggJim wrote: »

Heard more reports today of teachers giving classes from abroad today. Word of mouth only but would you be surprised.

Of all the things that never happened, this is definitely one of them.







































They were actually on the international space station.

Norma

"schools are safe"
"schools are safe"
"schools are safe"

*slap in the back of the head*

"calculated grades"
"calculated grades"
"calculated grades"


-this is a joke, don't reply all offended

Read between the lines the teachers want they handy double money supervising and correcting exams on top of there pay. And if they have to mark any work for CA they want money for that too. That's were we're at. Estimating grades means no extra money. Once the school year was over they were off the traps to get the few bob from the July provision(on top of there teacher salary). Watching the ASTI interviews you could see the wheels in motion. Sure teachers were adverting paid home grinds during school hours in the recent lock down. JOKE

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Calculated grades will save the DES an absolute fortune for the 2nd year running.

I.E SHOW ME THE MONEY

doc22 wrote: »

Read between the lines the teachers want they handy double money supervising and correcting exams on top of there pay. And if they have to mark any work for CA they want money for that too. That's were we're at. Estimating grades means no extra money. Once the school year was over they were off the traps to get the few bob from the July provision(on top of there teacher salary). Watching the ASTI interviews you could see the wheels in motion. Sure teachers were adverting paid home grinds during school hours in the recent lock down. JOKE

You owe me a new laptop.

Mrsmum wrote: »

Personally I think it is very frightening for students when they see mommy (ASTI) and daddy (DoEd) fighting over something that hugely and primarily affects said students. I am disappointed that Asti walked out of talks. I consider that a disrespectful act towards the LC students. They knew going in that an alternative route was to be discussed. They had a voice in the talks as to what options were workable etc and that was the place for them to make their case. They are one voice, they are not the only voice but if their case is as strong as they feel it to be, they should be able to convince the other parties in the talks as to that. Walking out on discussions of paramount importance to their students is a very bad look imo. LC students were hoping for the promised clarity next week and that's unlikely now. And the way I see it, in the middle of this pandemic, you can't put all your LC eggs in one basket so at the end of the day an alternative will have to be discussed anyway. We have no way of knowing what will happen when we open up again.

I know its hard to see fron the outside but them walking out was the right thing. They just wanted assurances that they would discuss alternatives and not just discuss calculated grades the way it was done last year. This was not happening despite it being the agreement. If you turn up to a hospital with a broken arm and leg you need both seen to, thats the agreement, you'd be annoyed if they just focused on the arm and refused to acknowledge the leg.

Teachers all know they are not planning for exams to happen for so many reasons. They are lying, to students, to the unions to all staff and parents. At least the ASTIs actions have pointed that out. Some will dig in and see this, some won't but hopefully it will prompt a real conversation that night mean we have an actual plan. Otherwise, if the department gets its way, they will lie to you and your kid and say exams will go ahead, while doing nothing to make this happen and then at the last minute they can change the tact.

As I've said before, if you believe the unions are the reason for this mess you are being played by the government and the IT. They presented multiple options to the DES in the summer in advance of this mess and were promptly ignored until the fire and already started

BiggJim wrote: »

Heard more reports today of teachers giving classes from abroad today. Word of mouth only but would you be surprised.

I’m doing mine from the Bahamas. Working out grand but hard to stay motivated in front of the screen all day.

The alternative is what they had last year, that's why the union has an issue with it. And no one was told that there would definitively be two options offered, that's not what the official documents say and that's what these talks were about, exploring options of exam based and non exam based results. People assumed things, that's different

And of course students want predictive grades, they also want a wad of cash and a new iphone, wanting something doesn't make it a fair or sensible choice, desire is not due diligence to creating the best and fairest outcome. I completely understand where the students are coming from but this is not last year and exams could have happened then.

Personally I think 50/50 is sensible and would catch outliers, so where teachers limited data or bias has really swayed grade but the PG element would allow for effort and the experience in class. Why not this option? It got more checks and balances than either a traditional LC or CG? Test on half the coursework by offering lots of choice and the students know they have 50% accounted for before they sit the exam. One of my classes could sit the modified exam now and would have enough done to answer a full compliment of questions, the other is close enough, I'd need a month but it's a notoriously long course.

You can trust teachers all you want but any teacher who tells you they are 100% lacking in bias is lying and flying in the face of every bit of research in this area. What we were working off last year data wise isn't there and the students knew this was an option so the impetuous to bend the rules sure was there.

And the asti will be in talks tomorrow now they've been guaranteed other options will be discussed......like they are initially promised

Indo reporting this morning the ASTI pulled out of talks to re open as well!?!

"That came less than 24 hours after it set itself apart from the Teachers’ Union of Ireland (TUI) by formally rejecting the broad plan to underpin the phased return of second-level schools in coming weeks.

The ASTI said the plan, which covers issues such as infection control measures and contact tracing and testing for school staff, was “unacceptable” but has not explained what additional measures it is seeking."

But its the departments fault of course....