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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #5282
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Allinall


    jams100 wrote: »
    Why is this an essential trip?
    Every work trip could be classed as an essential trip so, my company has stopped 99.9% of work trips and there used to be alot. It's not essential anything that he's says over there is nothing that couldn't be said on a zoom call.

    And yes, i know he and Biden would take all the preventative measures etc. That's not the point, he should be leading by example, I doubt the New Zealand leader is going on these trips?

    The New Zealand leader does not have a standing invitation to meet the US president on an annual basis.

    If she did, she would 100% be taking up to invitation.


  • #5283
    Pdoghue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    He's only getting vaccinated to go on his non essential jolly to America

    He previously said he wouldn't skip the queue now he is

    Stay at home like the rest of us

    Set an example for everybody else

    When he expects us to not see friends, family partners for months on end and have no foreign holidays this year he could skip a jolly to USA for one year

    Biden wouldn't care less

    Your description of it being a 'jolly' says everything about what your perception of what the trip is about. A jolly, really?


  • #5284
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Keeping us locked down until Easter is inhumane. Over 70s need to be in Lockdown. The rest of us free to weigh up the options.

    I have lost 2 jobs in this pandemic. I have been lucky enough to get something for the next couple of months which will get me through it. But from previous experience I know how hard people will be taking this talk of Lockdown until Easter. Government, NPHET and media have absolutely no idea what people are experiencing. They are working and fully paid with extra movement privileges.

    Easter is unacceptable. This isn't Ebola. It only effects older and vulnerable people of which we have given a year of our lives to protect. The vulnerable need to step up and do their bit, whilst the rest of us return to normal


  • #5285
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,628 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Lockdown until easter will cause absolute carnage. People are burned out as is, asking us to be locked down for another 8 weeks is not right.


  • #5286
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Has it been confirmed that he's going to the US or is this still just Sinn Fein stirring the pot?

    Any road, hospital numbers are on track. We could see it drop as low as 920 cases by Saturday, and then it'll stay flat until Tuesday. ICU still unfortunately trickling downward. I don't know if we'll see it drop more solidly; in theory we should, but it's hard to call.
    Vicxas wrote: »
    Lockdown until easter will cause absolute carnage. People are burned out as is, asking us to be locked down for another 8 weeks is not right.
    With schools open (and a few other businesses), there'll be a pressure valve. Even just the act of getting up and out in the morning to bring the kids to school is cathartic to people. It'll be a change in the routine, and that's what'll make it bearable.


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  • #5287
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    seamus wrote: »
    Has it been confirmed that he's going to the US or is this still just Sinn Fein stirring the pot?

    Any road, hospital numbers are on track. We could see it drop as low as 920 cases by Saturday, and then it'll stay flat until Tuesday. ICU still unfortunately trickling downward. I don't know if we'll see it drop more solidly; in theory we should, but it's hard to call.

    I'd say he'll go, he was saying this morning that there hadn't been an invite yet but there was discussions.

    If he's going then he'll need to be vaccinated fairly soon


  • #5288
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Lockdown until easter will cause absolute carnage. People are burned out as is, asking us to be locked down for another 8 weeks is not right.

    Even if we got numbers down to 200 per day the problem is they will be back up around 1000 very quickly with the new strain if we open up.

    Vaccination is the only way out and we dont have them any time soon.


  • #5289
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Pdoghue wrote: »
    Your description of it being a 'jolly' says everything about what your perception of what the trip is about. A jolly, really?

    How is it not a Jolly?

    There's not one thing Martin will do that couldn't be done on a phone or on a video call

    Non essential travel at its best


  • #5290
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭Polar101


    seamus wrote: »
    Has it been confirmed that he's going to the US or is this still just Sinn Fein stirring the pot?

    He hasn't been invited yet, but apparently they are talking about it.

    Edit: Which I think means he'll definitely go, unless there's a lot of negative publicity.


  • #5291
    Hmob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Hmob


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    3 in my locality of Louth this week alone, notices up on local shops looking for sightings of 2 others who have since gone missing.

    4 missing in galway city last week, if I recall


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  • #5292
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭oceanman


    Polar101 wrote: »
    He hasn't been invited yet, but apparently they are talking about it.

    Edit: Which I think means he'll definitely go, unless there's a lot of negative publicity.
    biden is as much to blame if he invites him as martin is for going. stupid behaviour..


  • #5293
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    I made mention last night that there seems to be a media blackout on mental health issues , it was met with sneering from the usual cohort that are dismissive towards mental health. The figures for suicide are not available for 2020, the figure was 421 for 2019.
    Below is a link form the Irish Times, data collection on suicide was stopped in June last year, I can't find any mention that it was resumed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-facing-a-tsunami-of-mental-health-problems-1.4273850


  • #5294
    Government buildings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Government buildings


    This opening of the buildings will be a free-for-all excuse for everybody to work.
    Same with the opening of schools. There will will be every excuse for people to be out on the streets.
    So we will go into the next lockdown and the next lockdown....


  • #5295
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Polar101 wrote: »
    He hasn't been invited yet, but apparently they are talking about it.

    Edit: Which I think means he'll definitely go, unless there's a lot of negative publicity.

    FG seems to be pushing for Martin to go, that in itself should help Martin arrive at an appropriate decision. I suspect though his ego will override any commonsense.


  • #5296
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Micheál Martin quoted a close contact positivity rate of 20% on the radio this morning, highlighting this as an example of the greater infectiousness of the new variant by comparing it to the previous close contact positivity rate of 12%.

    This is nonsense. At the moment, the vast majority of close contacts will be in a household setting. The close contact positivity rate in households was always much higher. See attached study which quotes a positivity rate of 21.1% in households.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/209673/covid-19-spread-different-social-settings-imperial/


  • #5297
    Icantthinkof1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The vulnerable need to step up and do their bit, whilst the rest of us return to normal

    What exactly should they be doing? “Step up and do their bit” what are you talking about?!


  • #5298
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Micheál Martin quoted a close contact positivity rate of 20% on the radio this morning, highlighting this as an example of the greater infectiousness of the new variant by comparing it to the previous close contact positivity rate of 12%.

    This is nonsense. At the moment, the vast majority of close contacts will be in a household setting. The close contact positivity rate in households was always much higher. See attached study which quotes a positivity rate of 21.1% in households.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/209673/covid-19-spread-different-social-settings-imperial/

    Whatever message suits the agenda of keeping people afraid and compliant. Do these people not realise or care about the damage they are doing to the scientific world with their misuse / misunderstanding of data?


  • #5299
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭jams100


    Allinall wrote: »
    The New Zealand leader does not have a standing invitation to meet the US president on an annual basis.

    If she did, she would 100% be taking up to invitation.

    During normal times yes, right now I'd say no.
    It's not essential, anything that could happen over zoom is non essential.
    Even Harrington caught covid this week and that is despite regular testing and "bubbles" on the golf tours.
    This under the current circumstances can't be classed as essential.


  • #5300
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Micheál Martin quoted a close contact positivity rate of 20% on the radio this morning, highlighting this as an example of the greater infectiousness of the new variant by comparing it to the previous close contact positivity rate of 12%.

    This is nonsense. At the moment, the vast majority of close contacts will be in a household setting. The close contact positivity rate in households was always much higher. See attached study which quotes a positivity rate of 21.1% in households.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/209673/covid-19-spread-different-social-settings-imperial/

    Martin talking bollix, I'm shocked.


  • #5301
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I made mention last night that there seems to be a media blackout on mental health issues , it was met with sneering from the usual cohort that are dismissive towards mental health. The figures for suicide are not available for 2020, the figure was 421 for 2019.
    Below is a link form the Irish Times, data collection on suicide was stopped in June last year, I can't find any mention that it was resumed.a

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-facing-a-tsunami-of-mental-health-problems-1.4273850

    So there are warnings, but no stats?

    The good news we have from other countries, suggests no rise in suicides or self harm in 2020:

    The united states:

    https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357765466601775106

    Peru:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1354158362380926977

    New South Wales (Suicides down 5%):

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/23/nsw-suicide-rate-falls-by-remarkable-5-in-2020-lifeline-finds


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  • #5302
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    So there are warnings, but no stats?

    The good news we have from other countries, suggests no rise in suicides or self harm in 2020:

    The united states:

    https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357765466601775106

    Peru:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1354158362380926977

    New South Wales (Suicides down 5%):

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/23/nsw-suicide-rate-falls-by-remarkable-5-in-2020-lifeline-finds

    You clearly didn't read the article I linked, 3rd paragraph mentions an upward trend.


  • #5303
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Whatever message suits the agenda of keeping people afraid and compliant. Do these people not realise or care about the damage they are doing to the scientific world with their misuse / misunderstanding of data?

    I was really annoyed by it. What was presented as bad news is actually good news - a positivity rate of 20% is actually much better than we might have expected if the new variant is 70% more infectious.


  • #5304
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Full Level 5 restrictions in place until after Easter but schools and construction likely to reopen

    Level 5 lockdown restrictions are set to be extended by at least another six weeks , with only schools and the construction sector likely to be allowed to reopen before Easter.

    A ‘refreshed’ Living with Covid plan will be published the week after next, but senior figures involved in drafting the document say it is unlikely to give definitive timelines or dates for reopening society and the economy.

    Subject to Cabinet approval, the current Level 5 restrictions, which are due to expire on March 5, are likely to be extended until at least April 12

    As well as keeping most shops and hospitality venues closed, it is also likely to mean no changes to the current ‘stay at home’ advisory and the 5km travel limit – although Tánaiste Leo Varadkar is pushing for households to be allowed to meet outdoors after March 5.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/full-level-5-restrictions-in-place-until-after-easter-but-schools-and-construction-likely-to-reopen-40078219.html

    Some plan with no dates lol

    Funny how the government will have taken extra time after Easter so if its a month they take out the May Bank Holiday and then another month taking out the June Bank Holiday

    The government playing a blinder in downplaying expectations but giving people nothing to look forward to


  • #5305
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Do as I say not as I do

    Stay at home plebs and have SFA open until at least Easter and then a slow painful reopening of society

    4 months of the year at least at level 5 costing €1.3 billion a month

    No foreign holidays for ye this year and probably until 2023

    Instead MM will take his opportunity for non essential foreign travel and will even skip vaccination queue to enable himself to go

    Hysterical, fear mongering, doom merchant, curtain twitching at its finest. The irony.


  • #5306
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,744 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    jams100 wrote: »
    Why can't MM have a zoom call with Biden? Why does he think a trip to America is acceptable? One rule etc. etc.

    And i don't care if its classed as work, it's simply a non essential trip. Nothing that he's going to do is anything that couldn't wait until next year.

    because hes not going to be the taosaich that doesn't meet the american president basically

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #5307
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Hysterical, fear mongering, doom merchant, curtain twitching at its finest. The irony.

    Lol


  • #5308
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    ednwireland wrote: »
    because hes not going to be the taosaich that doesn't meet the american president basically

    Is because trips like this are the sole reason men like him get into politics.


  • #5309
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You clearly didn't read the article I linked, 3rd paragraph mentions an upward trend.
    This is kind of off-topic, but you need to look at the numbers in context;
    However other data sources point to a significant upward trend. In March and April of this year, 17 per cent of patients admitted to the National Spinal Injuries Unit in the Mater Hospital had sustained injuries in a suicide attempt compared to one per cent in the same period last year.
    In March and April, the proportion of those admitted for spinal injuries due to suicide attempts, increased.

    It stands to reason, however, that the number of people admitted for non-suicide injuries would have plummetted, given that everyone was locked down in April.

    So that 17% doesn't actually tell us that suicide attempts increased. Suicide attempts may have dropped, and we could still see that stat.

    The anecdotal indicators are that suicide numbers are significantly down. But I have discussed this before; the number of suicides that happen when things are really ****, is a lot less than you might think.
    People with acute depression are more likely to attempt suicide when things start looking up.

    It's April/May/June this year we need our eyes and ears to open. As "normality" appears on the horizon and as the weather starts improving, we could see a flood of tragedies. We all need to watch out for our families, friends and ourselves at that time especially.


  • #5310
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,744 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    D.Q wrote: »
    Is because trips like this are the sole reason men like him get into politics.

    absolutely,

    personally i dont care whether he goes or not (maybe i should now i work for an american company:rolleyes:)

    but lets be honest irish governments dont really care how anything looks as theres very little consequence to themselves.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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  • #5311
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Can someone help me figure this out please - according to the official data, in the last 14 days we've seen 953 admissions to hospital.
    In the same period we saw 1045 discharges. A difference of -92.
    And yet the same data source shows us going from 1552 in hospital to 984 in the same period of time.

    Anyone got any insight into this?


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