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Limerick Northern Distributor Road Plan

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    #1832
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    American picket fence dream and start looking to Europe for city living

    Living in a cramped apartment in the city centre is okay when you are 20, it’s not a healthy way to live long term.


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    #1833
    mdmix
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Even without the road its likely that the Caherdavin to Redgate stretch of road was going to continue to develop. i would much prefer that development was concentrated on all the derelict sites in the city centre first though but sadly Irish people cant seem to adjust away from the American picket fence dream and start looking to Europe for city living

    It’s less risky for developers to build 20 houses than it is to build 20 apartments. It doesn’t help that the council are actively discouraging apartment developments in the city and encouraging building low density outside the city.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    Living in a cramped apartment in the city centre is okay when you are 20, it’s not a healthy way to live long term.

    Most Irish people in their 20s are either stuck living at home as owning a car is seen as being more important in Irish society than living independently. Those that do live on their own are squashed into semi-ds, sharing with 3 or 4 others. More semi-ds will not improve their lot


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    #1834
    phog
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    jpharvey wrote: »
    There's no way he'll be elected again. No way. He and his colleagues/advisors seriously underestimated the anger in Moyross about it and assumed, as the build the road grassroots twitter pointed out, that they knew better than the poors about the whole fiasco.
    The local Green Councillor's refusal to engage with them as well will also cost her her seat imh.

    Did you see his clip from the Dail? You'd swear the way he spoke he was in Moyross for the last week or so engaging with them to bring about a better proposal. He can certainly put a spin on things.


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    #1835
    phog
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    Mc Love wrote: »
    That is absolute lies

    Can you inform us of the whos and whens this engagement happened?


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    #1836
    phog
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    mdmix wrote: »
    Most Irish people in their 20s are either stuck living at home as owning a car is seen as being more important in Irish society than living independently. Those that do live on their own are squashed into semi-ds, sharing with 3 or 4 others. More semi-ds will not improve their lot

    They're going to be sharing the house anyway, whether it's a city or urban sprawl isn't going t matter too much unless they're loaded and can afford the mortgage on their own.

    Apartment dwelling and trying to work from home is disastrous for most people, they're trying to set up a "home offices" in shared spaces or their bedrooms.


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    #1837
    what_traffic
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    phog wrote: »
    Did you see his clip from the Dail? You'd swear the way he spoke he was in Moyross for the last week or so engaging with them to bring about a better proposal. He can certainly put a spin on things.

    What have they got from the Council in return? A bit of bartering / bargaining going on looks like it. We will give ya the road but we want you to do x, y and z as well. Could a signal to other Councils (nationwide) as well.


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    #1838
    yabadabado
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Living in a cramped apartment in the city centre is okay when you are 20, it’s not a healthy way to live long term.

    In cities all around the world people don't seem to have a problem living and raising families in apartments.
    They can spend the majority of their life in an apartment,what makes it unhealthy in Ireland ?


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    #1839
    osarusan
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    phog wrote: »
    Apartment dwelling and trying to work from home is disastrous for most people, they're trying to set up a "home offices" in shared spaces or their bedrooms.

    As well as/instead of the usual rows of semi-d houses, what's needed is more central apartments that a family can live in long-term.

    In Limerick, and across Ireland, the choice is almost always between a 2-bed apt and a house.

    I just did a Daft search for 3 bed apartments in Limerick city and there were 12 results, 7 of which were student village buy to let properties. For a 1-bed (max) apartment there were 0 properties. Everybody, everybody, is pointed towards a house by default.

    Give people proper apartments suited for long-term living and they will live in them long-term. We need to build upwards (and they don't need to be 20 or even 10 floors high just 5 or 6 floors) but we need to do it properly. Stop building only poky 2-bed places and build bigger more spacious apartments.

    The amount of estates with 2-storey and even 1-storey houses a stone's throw away from the city centre is amazing. Such an incredible waste of space.


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    #1840
    stefanovich
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    yabadabado wrote: »
    In cities all around the world people don't seem to have a problem living and raising families in apartments.
    They can spend the majority of their life in an apartment,what makes it unhealthy in Ireland ?

    I personally think it is unhealthy everywhere, not Ireland specific. Having your own space is good for one's mental health.


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    #1841
    stefanovich
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    osarusan wrote: »
    The amount of estates with 2-storey and even 1-storey houses a stone's throw away from the city centre is amazing. Such an incredible waste of space.

    Maybe space is a good thing.


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    #1842
    phog
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    What have they got from the Council in return? A bit of bartering / bargaining going on looks like it. We will give ya the road but we want you to do x, y and z as well. Could a signal to other Councils (nationwide) as well.

    Or was he just trying to save face?


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    #1843
    phog
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    osarusan wrote: »
    As well as/instead of the usual rows of semi-d houses, what's needed is more central apartments that a family can live in long-term.

    In Limerick, and across Ireland, the choice is almost always between a 2-bed apt and a house.

    I just did a Daft search for 3 bed apartments in Limerick city and there were 12 results, 7 of which were student village buy to let properties. For a 1-bed (max) apartment there were 0 properties. Everybody, everybody, is pointed towards a house by default.

    Give people proper apartments suited for long-term living and they will live in them long-term. We need to build upwards (and they don't need to be 20 or even 10 floors high just 5 or 6 floors) but we need to do it properly. Stop building only poky 2-bed places and build bigger more spacious apartments.

    The amount of estates with 2-storey and even 1-storey houses a stone's throw away from the city centre is amazing. Such an incredible waste of space.
    I agree we need better quality build, we probably need better laws around rent agreements but when a developer builds a 3 bedroom apartment and you'll need 3 people sharing to pay the rent, there's still no office space so people will be working from the their bedrooms.


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    #1844
    wildwillow
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    yabadabado wrote: »
    In cities all around the world people don't seem to have a problem living and raising families in apartments.
    They can spend the majority of their life in an apartment,what makes it unhealthy in Ireland ?

    Maybe because the weather is better and there are good outdoor facilities.
    Also proper storage for bicycles and other sporting gear in lockers.
    Good laundry facilities for the entire block.

    Our problem is the apartments are just houses squashed into a smaller space, poorly planned communal areas and dreadful soundproofing.


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    #1845
    yabadabado
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    I personally think it is unhealthy everywhere, not Ireland specific. Having your own space is good for one's mental health.

    Bar personal opinion,is there any study or proof to show it's unhealthy?


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    #1846
    phog
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    Also, worth pointing out we have a much smaller population so we really don't need high density dwellings despite some people advocating it.


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    #1847
    osarusan
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    Certainly, the fact that so many apartments are cramped shoeboxes in which you can hear your neighbour talking to themselves are part of the problem as this seems to have coloured perceptions of the whole concept of apartments.


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    #1848
    stefanovich
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    yabadabado wrote: »
    Bar personal opinion,is there any study or proof to show it's unhealthy?

    I suppose it is more personal preference than anything. I like privacy, I like having a garden, I hate listening to neighbours... And yes, apartments in Ireland are generally very ****ty which probably didn't help when forming my personal opinion.

    Common sense would suggest that cramped living is unhealthy. A nice 3 bed apartment or duplex might be a lot better than sharing a 3 bed semi.


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    #1849
    stefanovich
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    phog wrote: »
    Also, worth pointing out we have a much smaller population so we really don't need high density dwellings despite some people advocating it.

    I don't mind high rise buildings, in the distance!:D


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    #1850
    Jofspring
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    Is building out Limerick that bad? I agree you don't want too much sprawl but Limerick is pretty small as it is. Building out a small bit isn't exactly going to make it a huge sprawl across the county. Your talking about adding estates what 10 or 15 minute drives from the city centre.

    Surely we should be looking at both, building estates and apartments outside the city centre and building high rise apartment blocks inside the city with also improving public transport to bring people into the city centre without cars from these areas.

    We keep trying to compare Limerick to other European cities. Most cities are far bigger than Limerick and estates, apartments etc... are sprawled across huge areas but have good bus and train services to compliment it. A lot of people can't afford to live in cities across Europe and make their way in on public transport.

    Delighted to see this going ahead also.


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    #1851
    yabadabado
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    wildwillow wrote: »
    Maybe because the weather is better and there are good outdoor facilities.
    Also proper storage for bicycles and other sporting gear in lockers.
    Good laundry facilities for the entire block.

    Our problem is the apartments are just houses squashed into a smaller space, poorly planned communal areas and dreadful soundproofing.

    Bar the weather ,there is nothing in what you have listed that cannot be done in apartments here.
    The council's could make all those a prerequisite for planning to be approved.

    And even the weather isnt really stopping us,we don't really get extreme conditions here.Plenty of counties are able to do apartment living that don't have warm temperatures all year round.


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    #1852
    adaminho
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    https://twitter.com/Live95fmNews/status/1359798893622538241


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    #1853
    Cookiemunster
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    yabadabado wrote: »
    Bar the weather ,there is nothing in what you have listed that cannot be done in apartments here.
    The council's could make all those a prerequisite for planning to be approved.

    And even the weather isnt really stopping us,we don't really get extreme conditions here.Plenty of counties are able to do apartment living that don't have warm temperatures all year round.
    Until government policy on building costs change then apartments are not viable for most builders outside of Dublin. It doesn't matter what the council does, national policy will determine what is and isn't built. As it is apartment blocks outside of Dublin are generally only being built as part of larger mixed schemes.


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    #1854
    Cookiemunster
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    What have they got from the Council in return? A bit of bartering / bargaining going on looks like it. We will give ya the road but we want you to do x, y and z as well. Could a signal to other Councils (nationwide) as well.
    The council got nothing as there was no bartering or bargaining. Ryan was told by the Taoiseach and Tainaiste that this project, which is fully funded and is in the NDP, was to be signed off. It was an embarrassing climb down that he's trying to spin.
    All the extra cycling and pedestrian facilities he mentions are either already in this plan or are already council policy. Eg, the green route from UL to LIT.


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    #1855
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    The council got nothing as there was no bartering or bargaining. Ryan was told by the Taoiseach and Tainaiste that this project, which is fully funded and is in the NDP, was to be signed off. It was an embarrassing climb down that he's trying to spin.
    All the extra cycling and pedestrian facilities he mentions are either already in this plan or are already council policy. Eg, the green route from UL to LIT.

    So he's a dishonest politician. Shocker!


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    #1856
    Poxyshamrock
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    Nice to see that the road has been delivered for the people of Moyross a US-based private hospital.


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    #1857
    stefanovich
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    Poxyshamrock wrote: »
    Nice to see that the road has been delivered for the people of Moyross a US-based private hospital.

    What's the story with the hospital? Why are private hospitals a bad thing? If the HSE were competent we wouldn't need them.


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    #1858
    phog
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    Poxyshamrock wrote: »
    Nice to see that the road has been delivered for the people of Moyross a US-based private hospital.

    I doubt they're linked but I also think it's not a bad investment/development.


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    #1859
    breezy1985
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    I personally think it is unhealthy everywhere, not Ireland specific. Having your own space is good for one's mental health.


    I much prefer living in the centre and being able to walk to work/pubs/shops and it is much better for my mental health than commuting. No reason why both options cant be available but there isnt a street in the centre that doesnt have a derelict plot and I think that should be tackled first.


    Good apartments with facilities and residents associations are the norm in many cities bigger and smaller than Limerick with better and worse weather and transport


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    #1860
    breezy1985
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    adaminho wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Live95fmNews/status/1359798893622538241


    Where is Bourke Ave. ( Hyde Rd. Park ) on Limericks Northside ?


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    #1861
    phog
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Where is Bourke Ave. ( Hyde Rd. Park ) on Limericks Northside ?

    Kind of opposite O'Sullivan's Chemist between the People's Park and the Army Barracks


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