Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

doublejobbing 2 · 10-02-2021 11:52AM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Between the amount of likes that cretin's reply got and a quick flick through the Irish Times comments section on the article about the Tallaght hospital doc, that's enough internet for today.

The most depressing thing about these lockdowns isn't the inability to get a beautiful pint or at this stage fecking do anything... it's the overwhelming daily evidence that we are living in a country full of absolute simpletons.

It's like you grew up thinking you lived in a modern, forward thinking country but it was all just an illusion; you are, in fact, in Alabama.

It was a simple question really.

Why are the most lockdown enthusiasts people who have the least to lose from lockdown? Because lockdown doesn't differ from their daily lives to much extent.

Why are pet political causes deemed more important than rules around public gatherings and 5km limits? Bear in mind, last summer the protest happened when we nearly had the virus beat. We were down to 9 odd cases per day, a travel ban and maybe another quick lockdown would have killed it, but 5000 people decided their cause was more important than this.

Why? Because most of those 5000 people had no reason to want to exit lockdown. Lockdown pays better for one thing.

Drifter50 · 10-02-2021 08:42PM

Augeo wrote: »

Tax take suggests that plenty businesses are rocking away nicely.
Once demand returns post lockdown businesses that won't survive will likely be replaced by new ones.
In 2022 it's quite likely the total number or nights away, meals out and drinks bought in pubs etc will be at least that of 2019 so money will be spent.

I doubt that.
If hospitality doesn`nt get to open soon, hundreds of pubs, hotels etc will be gone from the business landscape forever. They won`t be replaced because our tourist industry will be decimated, a large number of people will have found different things to do, trends will have changed, the pro lockdown contingent will be content to sit back with the I told you so and finger wagging at pub customers and finally because the shxx has been kicked out of us for the last year, a large proportion of people won`t have the energy or the will to want to pick up their lives again back to what they were in 2019.

Like I said in a earlier reply, the mental health of the nation is in the sewer and the government does`nt seem to care. If they did they would be putting plans in place, making roadmaps to reality that the population could see some positive moves forward not the continual hysteria of misery

fin12 · 10-02-2021 08:49PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

I doubt that.
If hospitality doesn`nt get to open soon, hundreds of pubs, hotels etc will be gone from the business landscape forever. They won`t be replaced because our tourist industry will be decimated, a large number of people will have found different things to do, trends will have changed, the pro lockdown contingent will be content to sit back with the I told you so and finger wagging at pub customers and finally because the shxx has been kicked out of us for the last year, a large proportion of people won`t have the energy or the will to want to pick up their lives again back to what they were in 2019.

Like I said in a earlier reply, the mental health of the nation is in the sewer and the government does`nt seem to care. If they did they would be putting plans in place, making roadmaps to reality that the population could see some positive moves forward not the continual hysteria of misery

They never have cared about mental health and obeying lockdown , you will all be rewarded by paying a lot more in income tax. Honestly can everyone just vote for independents , just to send these horrible b*stards a message.

PommieBast · 10-02-2021 09:56PM

fin12 wrote: »

They never have cared about mental health and obeying lockdown , you will all be rewarded by paying a lot more in income tax. Honestly can everyone just vote for independents , just to send these horrible b*stards a message.

In practice the only way to actually send the current lot a message is a Sinn Fein landslide, which comes with its own set of problems

This pandemic has shown how utterly useless both the government and the civil service is across the board, but I have ranted about INIS enough times in this thread already..

GazzaL · 10-02-2021 10:00PM

PommieBast wrote: »

In practice the only way to actually send the current lot a message is a Sinn Fein landslide, which comes with its own set of problems

This pandemic has shown how utterly useless both the government and the civil service is across the board, but I have ranted about INIS enough times in this thread already..

Sinn Féin are even worse, they want even more restrictions, more borrowing, more taxes on working people. There's barely been a peep out of them apart from championing NPHET and criticising the Government for not doing more of the same. Utterly inept, the weakest opposition in the history of the country.

saabsaab · 10-02-2021 10:52PM

Many pubs will be gone anyway, the days of the men in for a few pints are dying out. Surviving pubs will be food wine and other. I see it myself even in old style rural pubs the drink and the telly on isn't enough to bring them in anymore.

Dickie10 · 10-02-2021 11:10PM

so whats your argument? dont open them cuase theres less people going to them? is that not make them safer durung covid? 10 people scatteres across a pub ? much less dangerous than a shopping centre

saabsaab · 10-02-2021 11:14PM

Not an argument, more a prediction. Almost certain, the pandemic has just advanced it a few years.

Bigfatmichael · 10-02-2021 11:23PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Many pubs will be gone anyway, the days of the men in for a few pints are dying out. Surviving pubs will be food wine and other. I see it myself even in old style rural pubs the drink and the telly on isn't enough to bring them in anymore.

What absolute drivel. Food wine and other my hole.

Do you reliaze how many covers these type of places have to do to make a profit from food?

The ones there already are barely surviving even before the pandemic.

saabsaab · 10-02-2021 11:49PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

What absolute drivel. Food wine and other my hole.

Do you reliaze how many covers these type of places have to do to make a profit from food?

The ones there already are barely surviving even before the pandemic.

A lot of them will be gone after it. The ones that survive will adapt and do food, wiine etc etc.

Bigfatmichael · 11-02-2021 12:02AM

saabsaab wrote: »

A lot of them will be gone after it. The ones that survive will adapt and do food, wiine etc etc.

There's no money in food in rural pubs. Are you saying they'll introduce food and shut the bar altogether or?

You'd want to be doing minimum 40 covers a day to be making any profit from food. In a village with 900 people there not going to get 280 in every week.

Dickie10 · 11-02-2021 12:15AM

yeah i know a few in pub trade that tried food in rural pubs it didnt work. very few pubs outside of cities are food and drink pubs , a food pub is usually poor drink wise. madness to be trying food in an average small town pub. the overheads would be crazy. and shur all pubs sell wine anyway?

dominatinMC · 11-02-2021 12:32AM

saabsaab wrote: »

A lot of them will be gone after it. The ones that survive will adapt and do food, wiine etc etc.

But yet here we are, discussing pubs. Along with half the nation. Anytime restrictions are mentioned, so are pubs. They're more than a national pastime, they're a national obsession and will continue to be so. The market hasn't gone anywhere, just into hibernation.

Bigfatmichael · 11-02-2021 12:44AM

Chef 120 a day.
Waitress 80 a day
Food for 40 people: 160 euro
Running an industrial kitchen: 80 euro a day.

Thats 450 gone allready so even if you did 40 a day at 13 euro its not worth your while.

Never mind your other overheads of water, insurance, heating, mortgage/rental etc.

MrMusician18 · 11-02-2021 02:00AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

yeah i know a few in pub trade that tried food in rural pubs it didnt work. very few pubs outside of cities are food and drink pubs , a food pub is usually poor drink wise. madness to be trying food in an average small town pub. the overheads would be crazy. and shur all pubs sell wine anyway?

What a ridiculous statement. Why would a food pub be likely to serve worse drinks than a non food one? The cast majority of Irish pubs sell mass produced beer that's the same everywhere.

If a rural pub or indeed any pub couldn't serve enough dinners to make it worthwhile, how many pints per hour does it need to serve? Something like 10 minimum to break even. In a rural community where most families have both parents working, who has the time, beyond hopeless alcoholics to be spending weekday afternoons in a rural pub.

Spanish Eyes · 11-02-2021 02:20AM

No pubs now for nearly a year. What did we miss.

The powers that be, got what they wanted. What is happening re MUP now I wonder.

Anyway, the owners will be compensated through insurance. Better them than a person who put hot water in a glass jug.

Drifter50 · 11-02-2021 08:08AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What a ridiculous statement. Why would a food pub be likely to serve worse drinks than a non food one? The cast majority of Irish pubs sell mass produced beer that's the same everywhere.

If a rural pub or indeed any pub couldn't serve enough dinners to make it worthwhile, how many pints per hour does it need to serve? Something like 10 minimum to break even. In a rural community where most families have both parents working, who has the time, beyond hopeless alcoholics to be spending weekday afternoons in a rural pub.

Read the thread above,they don`t have the costs of running a kitchen ad the staff etc etc etc.
A regular pub is much easier to run than a food pub and the costs are much reduced.
The 4 beside me seem to do OK, maybe 2 better than the other 2 but plenty of under 35`s in them,meeting friends, playing pool, drinking, beer, watching the match etc

TomTomTim · 11-02-2021 08:19AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Many pubs will be gone anyway, the days of the men in for a few pints are dying out. Surviving pubs will be food wine and other. I see it myself even in old style rural pubs the drink and the telly on isn't enough to bring them in anymore.

How in the world have you worked out that there's a market for wine bars, yet not a market for traditional pubs? Your position makes little sense to me.

UI_Paddy · 11-02-2021 11:35AM

Traditional pubs will definitely have the most appeal when were out of this pandemic, even just in terms of lowering the barrier to entry for those that want a drink or two.

Lots of people who lost jobs will be priced out of wine bars, nightclubs and even food pubs.

showpony1 · 11-02-2021 02:50PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What a ridiculous statement. Why would a food pub be likely to serve worse drinks than a non food one? The cast majority of Irish pubs sell mass produced beer that's the same everywhere.

probably something to do with not doing a two-part pour or some nonsense.

Patches oHoulihan · 12-02-2021 08:18PM

saabsaab wrote: »

A lot of them will be gone after it. The ones that survive will adapt and do food, wiine etc etc.

vacuums are always filled.

There will always be a place for a pub for a pint.
The Mossy Finnegans of this world will always want a pint.

Wine bars me arse;)

saabsaab · 12-02-2021 09:33PM

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

vacuums are always filled.

There will always be a place for a pub for a pint.
The Mossy Finnegans of this world will always want a pint.

Wine bars me arse;)

Filled with wine! Mossy Finnegans are a dying breed.

dominatinMC · 12-02-2021 10:27PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Filled with wine! Mossy Finnegans are a dying breed.

Maybe you should lay off the wine and you wouldn't talk as much ****e!

saabsaab · 12-02-2021 10:34PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Maybe you should lay off the wine and you wouldn't talk as much ****e!

Maybe you should take it up. Might work.

Parachutes · 13-02-2021 11:02PM

Why are small business's shut whereas all the mega corporations can stay open? Why is professional sport deemed 'essential' while its a criminal offence to play a game of five a side soccer with your friends?

All of these big companies have made millions and millions out of these lockdowns and also have been able to cut salary costs massively by laying off 'non essential' people and forcing people to work from home. These are the same corporations which haven't been paying a penny of tax in this country for years and have the Irish government in their back pocket. The people who think lockdowns are purely to save lives are unbelievably naïve. The global elite owned 90% of everything before this pandemic and after they'll own closer to 99%. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. We're getting screwed and some people are begging for more.

fin12 · 13-02-2021 11:21PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Why are small business's shut whereas all the mega corporations can stay open? Why is professional sport deemed 'essential' while its a criminal offence to play a game of five a side soccer with your friends?

All of these big companies have made millions and millions out of these lockdowns and also have been able to cut salary costs massively by laying off 'non essential' people and forcing people to work from home. These are the same corporations which haven't been paying a penny of tax in this country for years and have the Irish government in their back pocket. The people who think lockdowns are purely to save lives are unbelievably naïve. The global elite owned 90% of everything before this pandemic and after they'll own closer to 99%. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. We're getting screwed and some people are begging for more.

Because money talks. Society is sick.

fin12 · 13-02-2021 11:25PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Why are small business's shut whereas all the mega corporations can stay open? Why is professional sport deemed 'essential' while its a criminal offence to play a game of five a side soccer with your friends?

All of these big companies have made millions and millions out of these lockdowns and also have been able to cut salary costs massively by laying off 'non essential' people and forcing people to work from home. These are the same corporations which haven't been paying a penny of tax in this country for years and have the Irish government in their back pocket. The people who think lockdowns are purely to save lives are unbelievably naïve. The global elite owned 90% of everything before this pandemic and after they'll own closer to 99%. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. We're getting screwed and some people are begging for more.

I agree with everything u say , but that line oh that was in a George Michael song. Praying for time. Listen to the lyrics. So true. What an amazing person and artist he was.

MrMusician18 · 14-02-2021 02:34AM

showpony1 wrote: »

probably something to do with not doing a two-part pour or some nonsense.

Exactly.. I'd love to know how following the Guinness marketing **** to the letter makes the pint taste better.

undertaker fan 88 · 14-02-2021 02:36AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Exactly.. I'd love to know how following the Guinness marketing **** to the letter makes the pint taste better.

I drink guinness and just guinness and pour all in 1 pour from thr can
Work in a bar. Do the 2 part pour in work but if I was pouring for myself when finishing up I wouldn't bother as its all the same tbh

doublejobbing 2 · 14-02-2021 03:02PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Why are small business's shut whereas all the mega corporations can stay open? Why is professional sport deemed 'essential' while its a criminal offence to play a game of five a side soccer with your friends?

.

Because a year long ban could be the death of the League of Ireland. I agree it is ludicrous that top level GAA is banned while LOI continues, but ludicrous and nonsensical is the way Covid rules flow in this country.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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