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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #5042
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The possible story of B.1.1.7 -just one person may have cooked it up inside of them. The article also mentions that 360,000 different genomes have been sequenced.
    The number of mutations in the UK variant took scientists by surprise. Now they think its origins may lie in one person, chronically infected with the virus

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/chronic-infection-uk-coronavirus-variant


  • #5043
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,429 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Restrictions will remain in place as long as the collateral damage is acceptable to the politicians and public at large.

    I dont know why its assumed that loosening restrictions too soon would cause less collateral damage after more than 1,000 people died in January and more cases then than all of 2020.


  • #5044
    latency89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭latency89


    silverharp wrote: »
    this is a good one, randomised study, might need a second one for confirmation

    Nice, but i'm sceptical, it came up months ago and was never picked up, will be the same again imo, only way forward is vaccine's it seems, prevention vs fire fighting.

    A nurse treats a patient in the COVID-19 ICU at United Memorial Medical Center in Houston on June 29, 2020. Richard Bartlett, a Texas doctor, touts a 100% survival rate for his COVID-19 patients given inhaled budesonide. Emergency department physician Carolyn Barber evaluates his claims


  • #5045
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    silverharp wrote: »
    this is a good one, randomised study, might need a second one for confirmation

    https://twitter.com/AndreasShrugged/status/1359458583491072004

    Well I have an old nebuliser and an out of date supply of that.

    Asthma medicines help respiratory syndrome shocker.

    As a non medical person I assumed that this would have been tried and accepted or rejected as a treatment back in April.

    I had asthma symptoms for years and if I suffered anything respiratory I was supposed to double my steroid intake for a week. Anything respiratory includes flu or colds.


  • #5046
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    latency89 wrote: »
    Nice, but i'm sceptical, it came up months ago and was never picked up, will be the same again imo, only way forward is vaccine's it seems, prevention vs fire fighting.
    That Texas example is not a trial, my patients got better is not a good evaluation. This one may well be applied as we are already using dexamethasone treatments anyway.


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  • #5047
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I dont know why its assumed that loosening restrictions too soon would cause less collateral damage after more than 1,000 people died in January and more cases then than all of 2020.

    By summer the number of deaths and hospitalisations will implode because the vulnerable are vaccinated and we won't need restrictions to prevent it, at most level 2 restrictions.


  • #5048
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The S.A variant cluster in Austria is growing. They've now introduced the requirement of a negative test to even leave the province. They were fairly lax as it's a ski destination in the first wave. Some Irish got caught and fined there skiing recently. 11 days ago actually :eek:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/irish-among-those-in-breach-of-lockdown-rules-at-austrian-ski-resort-1.4472198

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/austria-restrict-movement-tyrol-variant-fears-75777121
    VIENNA -- Austria's leader said Tuesday that people will have to produce a negative coronavirus test to leave the country's Tyrol province as authorities try to prevent the spread of a coronavirus variant first discovered in South Africa.

    Some 293 cases of the more contagious variant have been confirmed in Tyrol. More than 120 of those cases are currently active, Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said. Concentrated in the Schwaz district, east of Innsbruck, they represent the biggest known current outbreak of the variant in the European Union, authorities said.

    The chancellor pointed to preliminary results from a small study that showed the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, one of the three vaccines cleared for use in the EU, was only minimally effective against mild to moderate cases of COVID-19 caused by the South African variant.

    “That is a big problem because nearly 50% of the vaccine we will have delivered by the summer comes from AstraZeneca,” Kurz said. “So...we must do everything to prevent the spread of this variant, and if that doesn't succeed, at least to slow its spread.”


  • #5049
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Well I have an old nebuliser and an out of date supply of that.

    Asthma medicines help respiratory syndrome shocker.

    As a non medical person I assumed that this would have been tried and accepted or rejected as a treatment back in April.
    Most of claims about drug treatments came out of the US, with desperate doctors making use of their own patients. That kind of thing is never going to fly as a recommended treatment without trials.


  • #5050
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    did anyone see that video going around watsapp of Leo talking about cases?!

    "one thing we always did in Ireland was count cases in care home, from day 1" - but didnt explain this to the public, 'we have 500 cases today, of which 400 were nrusing homes' for example.
    "we counted suspected cases, even when there wasnt a laboratory test confirming"
    "if somebody was in a nursing home, had stage 4 cancer, and was suspected of having covid, but didnt test positive for it, we counted that"

    if this is real its absolutely madness

    Yes it is true. We have counted deaths where people were suspected to have covid for a long time now. I remember the CMO talking about it at one of the press conferences. I think it was during the summer. This was due to ECDC changing the criteria for notifying deaths to included suspected cases. Other countries are doing the same as well.


  • #5051
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yes looks like well above 1,000 cases tonight and maybe 1300.

    So low yesterday there must have been a mistake.


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  • #5052
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Yes it is true. We have counted deaths where people were suspected to have covid for a long time now. I remember the CMO talking about it at one of the press conferences. I think it was during the summer. This was due to ECDC changing the criteria for notifying deaths to included suspected cases. Other countries are doing the same as well.

    cheers, did you see the video in question, after each of those statements, he follows it up with "other countries weren't doing that"

    like hes proud that they padded their figures.


  • #5053
    Hooter23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    The HSE distrubited 50,000 crack pipes in Galway and 3 other counties in the last 5 years.....At least the HSE are spending their money wisely...


  • #5054
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    latency89 wrote: »
    Why would they need trials for drugs that have been used for years and are safe?

    Can doctors not be, well doctors of old and prescribe a treatment and use initiative?

    Do we need a trial for everything now?

    You can't prescribe something that's not approved for use, I don't know how this is even a question really. Yes you need a trial to prove something works


  • #5055
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    latency89 wrote: »
    Why would they need trials for drugs that have been used for years and are sfe?

    Can doctors not be, well doctors of old and prescribe a treatment?

    Do we need a trial for everything now?
    To repurpose drugs you do - to make sure that they work as you want and do not cause harm. Remember Hydroxychloroquine? Doctors of old killed people through their own ignorance.


  • #5056
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    onetrickpony wrote: »
    Is it time to shake nphet up.

    surely time for tony h to hand over the reigns.

    he might appreciate the pain of staying at home on your own for weeks on end on a few Bob a week.

    Please enlighten us on who you think would make a better chief medical officer than Dr Tony Holihan.


  • #5057
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    cheers, did you see the video in question, after each of those statements, he follows it up with "other countries weren't doing that"

    like hes proud that they padded their figures.

    It isn't done to pad figures. It is done to stop under counting due to low amounts of testing. It was known that it would lead to over counting but then again even if we didn't report suspected cases in our figures we would still have over counting of deaths as some of the people who are marked as covid deaths, even with a positive test, would have died any way. Data is a lot more complicated than just one number.


  • #5058
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Sconsey wrote: »
    Please enlighten us on who you think would make a better chief medical officer than Dr Tony Holihan.

    I have to say I thought Ronan glynn did a great job when TH was away . People relate to him and he is calm and reassuring and straightforward


  • #5059
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    latency89 wrote: »
    Our doctor gave my wife azithromycin for covid 19 treatment, should he be struck off?
    It is actually used for chest infections, so why?


  • #5060
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    latency89 wrote: »
    Doctors do that all the time here, I had an ear infection once and got hydrocortisone cream for it, which is for skin conditions, not approved for infection use?

    Doctor in Adare gives Hydroxychloroquine to his patients and he's practising, it's not illegal.
    Choosing a treatment for their own patients doesn't make it a standard recommended treatment for all.


  • #5061
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Choosing a treatment for their own patients doesn't make it a standard recommended treatment for all.

    Especially when it's been found to do basically nothing so won't be recommended for use with covid patients

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-antibiotics-study-idUSKBN29U1WV


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  • #5062
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    latency89 wrote: »
    I don't know

    She was sick from Covid, it worked, like budesonide does.

    The doctor gave her an anti biotic in case of any secondary infection she got from being ill with Covid
    Budononiside is a steroid , Azithromycin is an anti biotic . They are two completely different drugs


  • #5063
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    latency89 wrote: »
    I never said they were the same, if budononiside is safe, what's the harm?

    You said Azithromycin works like budoniside . It doesnt


  • #5064
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,429 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    OwenM wrote: »
    By summer the number of deaths and hospitalisations will implode because the vulnerable are vaccinated and we won't need restrictions to prevent it, at most level 2 restrictions.

    Say it could go to 3 by end of May or start of June if over 70s are vaccinated alright. Just wouldn't expect any significant loosening until then.


  • #5065
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    latency89 wrote: »
    Never said that

    It helps you beat covid, said that

    I'm just happy we still have decent doctors out there that use the head and don't need a trial to prevent a death like you guys

    You guys ???? What are you on about ?


  • #5066
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,496 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    latency89 wrote: »
    I never said they were the same, if budononiside is safe, what's the harm?

    Whatever your qualifications in this area (if any), do not make claims over the safety of any drugs on this site


  • #5067
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    did anyone see that video going around watsapp of Leo talking about cases?!

    "one thing we always did in Ireland was count cases in care home, from day 1" - but didnt explain this to the public, 'we have 500 cases today, of which 400 were nrusing homes' for example.
    "we counted suspected cases, even when there wasnt a laboratory test confirming"
    "if somebody was in a nursing home, had stage 4 cancer, and was suspected of having covid, but didnt test positive for it, we counted that"

    if this is real its absolutely madness

    We do this for deaths only, not for cases.

    They later get reclassified if determined they didn't have Covid.


  • #5068
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Amirani wrote: »
    Does 40% sound high? Would 0% be better and everyone who died was a non-vulnerable person?

    Talking about relative numbers in something like this is a bit flawed. You could have 1 total nursing home death and 0 in the rest of the population and you have 100% of deaths in nursing homes, but I don't think that would be a bad result.

    A better comparative against other countries might be the % of total nursing home population that has died of Covid.

    Didn't say anything about it being better, I would have thought anyone would objectively say the proportion of care home deaths (40%) was high considering people in residential care settings make up about 1% of the country's population. Even though they are far more likely to die of COVID obviously, not only that but that community faces dispropoprtionately high levels of infection on top of that due to how quickly COVID spreads inside high density population settings, so they are very disproprtionately affected for two reasons.


  • #5069
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Didn't say anything about it being better, I would have thought anyone would objectively say the proportion of care home deaths (40%) was high considering people in residential care settings make up about 1% of the country's population. Even though they are far more likely to die of COVID obviously, not only that but that community faces dispropoprtionately high levels of infection on top of that due to how quickly COVID spreads inside high density population settings, so they are very disproprtionately affected for two reasons.

    But more than 1% of deaths of any cause at any time are from care homes. It would be very odd if 1% of deaths in a given year came from care homes.

    It would be unreasonable to expect that the death rates in care homes from Covid are proportional to the number of people there any more than to expect the death rates from heart failure or flu or cancer in care homes to be proportional. If a more proportional outcome was equitable, it would mean more kids dying from Covid than people in care homes, but I think most people would agree that that's a desirable outcome.

    I'm not implying you're necessarily making this argument or whether they're better or not. I think a lot of the numbers that get bandied about in the media are overly simplistic though - i.e. "50% of deaths are in care homes, this is unacceptable", when it's just a relative metric with no nuance. What needs to be focused on is reducing absolute numbers, rather than commentators focusing on a number that can be improved by letting loads of young people die from Covid...


  • #5070
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,117 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    1006 cases
    54 deaths


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  • #5071
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Benimar


    54 deaths

    1,006 cases


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