Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

walus wrote: »

Boggles, Nox or whatever you call yourself these days, you can be imagining whatever you want, at this stage I could not care less.

Nox? Please explain?

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very informative post but it's not comparing like for like I think.
How many tests did we do for flu?
I think it's hard to compare considering how much testing we've done for covid.

I actually agree with your analysis of my post.

I have objected on here to
1. mass testing of people who aren't sick
2. the pcr machine been run up to 45 cycles is causing inaccurate results

whereas we haven't had mass testing for flu either and only deal with the actual sick. While many of the "positives" with covid aren't sick either.

And that does throw out a valid limitation even using official figures.
But boards demands official non-daily mail figures...so who am I to argue:pac:

But my final point stands ( I don't believe the numbers are hugely skewed enough to change that) in that we never do this (lockdown/fines etc..) with the flu.
One would think covid was the black death part 2 and it's not.

Uk might be doing the vaccine quicker, but they are using the AZ one mainly, which seems to have plausible results

South Africa has responded to the study by pausing the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine. The country has received 1m doses of the AstraZeneca jab and was due to start vaccinating people next week. The government will still offer vaccines produced by Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer in the coming weeks.

This thread is supposed to be about relaxation of restrictions. Honestly, between Vradkar's statements suggesting ongoing restrictions and lockdowns and McConkey going on about half a decade more of restrictions I don't think there's an end-goal. Originally the goal was to ensure the health service wouldn't collapse and virtually everyone was onboard for that. The vaccines don't need to give us sterilising immunity and they don't need to keep everyone from getting sick to do that. They simply need to prime our immune systems so that despite mutations of the virus there aren't so many of us who get severely sick and not all at once. We'd be able to say "it's just a bad flu, bruh" without being in denial or being a sarcastic a$$ about it. We seem to be really close to that now with the vaccines we currently have but now we're just supposed to accept the destruction of our quality of life and curtailment of our civil liberties for years to come because...?

I'm not normally politically active but this is obscene. Is there any protest planned, any letter writing campaign to TDs, anything at all that someone can clue me in on?

ShadowTech wrote: »

This thread is supposed to be about relaxation of restrictions. Honestly, between Vradkar's statements suggesting ongoing restrictions and lockdowns and McConkey going on about half a decade more of restrictions I don't think there's an end-goal. Originally the goal was to ensure the health service wouldn't collapse and virtually everyone was onboard for that. The vaccines don't need to give us sterilising immunity and they don't need to keep everyone from getting sick to do that. They simply need to prime our immune systems so that despite mutations of the virus there aren't so many of us who get severely sick and not all at once. We'd be able to say "it's just a bad flu, bruh" without being in denial or being a sarcastic a$$ about it. We seem to be really close to that now with the vaccines we currently have but now we're just supposed to accept the destruction of our quality of life and curtailment of our civil liberties for years to come because...?

I'm not normally politically active but this is obscene. Is there any protest planned, any letter writing campaign to TDs, anything at all that someone can clue me in on?

Was thinking something similar this morning, lockdowns and restrictions in general can't be indefinite, people will turn on them and in my opinion they should.
We simply can not continue in this fashion and should at some stage say enough is enough and set the ball rolling to push back.

SnuggyBear wrote: »

So you don't have real evedince. Grand.

Jesus, this is the exact reason I do not engage with new users.

Absolutely pointless.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve had some political answers but I know the personal opinions of one of them (they spoke too much if I’m being honest) and I even had a question of mine asked in the Dail almost word for word!

That's pretty cool TBF.

Have you a link to it?

The flu has been eradicated lads. It will never be seen again. Boggles just clued us in.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve been in regular communication with my local TD’s regarding the matter and have had varying levels of response.

I’ve had some political answers but I know the personal opinions of one of them (they spoke too much if I’m being honest) and I even had a question of mine asked in the Dail almost word for word!

So if your lucky you’ll have a TD who’ll listen. They’ll do f**k all tho but atleast your concerns are on record and the more people communicate, the more in line they’ll be with what the public want, be it more or less restrictions.

Thanks, Captain. I'll try writing my TDs. It's really nice to hear that you got real feedback. I'd love to see an organised letter-writing campaign or something similar. Maybe if enough people express some discontent with the direction we're currently going it'll give the politicians pause.

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm sure Gemma O'Doherty or John Waters and that small crew are still protesting. They get away from the keyboards and try to protest. Otherwise no one else bothers to get of boards.

Luckily the 'Look its Gemma O'Doherty/John Waters' argument is getting less effective every day.

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, this is the exact reason I do not engage with new users.

Absolutely pointless.

Nox used to say the same thing:pac:

paw patrol wrote: »

Nox used to say the same thing:pac:

That inferring our experience now is worse than a persecuted person who lived through an occupied country during WW2?

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm sure Gemma O'Doherty or John Waters and that small crew are still protesting. They get away from the keyboards and try to protest. Otherwise no one else bothers to get of boards.

i went once. either gemma nor waters were there.
Tbh wasn't a great turnout but i'd a fun day out.

Found out later from the irish times, journal.ie and (oddly) now-former archbishop martin that I was far right.

Seen a few kooky hippy types and not one political banner (not mind far right) there not exactly the Sturmabteilung but who would dare argue with the paper of record nor Ireland's finest fact-checkers at the journal?

Was around that time the journal then shat on the IT for printing an ad stating covid facts. Fun times, even though the ad was correct factually it was against the narrative BUT the protesters are the fascists'? :rolleyes:

pjohnson, are you just a moronic mouth piece for the journal.ie? surely not, with you enlightening contributions to this thread say it's not true?:pac:

facehugger99 wrote: »

I am very surprised how passive young people have been throughout this.

Even allowing for the fact that many have been bought off by a €350 a week 'emergency payment', they have seen their social lives, job prospects, travel plans and education sacrificed over a virus that poses no risk to them.

They have been saddled with 10's of billions of inter-generational debt which they will inherit along with the pension timebomb and environmental issues we have decided to kick down the road to them.


The typical Irish middle-class, middle age voter has never seen further than his next pay cheque and it would seem the next generation promises more of the same.

There are two things which will bring an end to this nonsense, an inability to continue to rack up the billions of debt - this can't come soon enough IMO.

Or large scale public demonstrations against the loss of our civil liberties - something which the servile and cowed Irish population have shown no indication of enacting.

The ones I know have a huge sense of ‘doing the right thing’ - along the same lines as the climate change movement. I feel so sad for them, they’ve been swept along by the media hysteria, and are going to suffer long term more than any of us for this stupidity.