COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

namloc1980 · 07-02-2021 09:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That study is just like the Novavax conclusion, almost entirely worthless. Tiny number of samples, an unfair sample distribution and humongous confidence interval.
Garbage research if there ever was any.

South African government has halted distribution of the AZ vaccine. I presume they know more about it and lack of efficacy.

Azatadine · 07-02-2021 09:40PM

I have to say, I'd take the AZ vaccine myself in the morning if I could but it's completely mired in all kinds of fuzziness in terms of absolutely everything.

namloc1980 · 07-02-2021 09:44PM

Azatadine wrote: »

I have to say, I'd take the AZ vaccine myself in the morning if I could but it's completely mired in all kinds of fuzziness in terms of absolutely everything.

The AZ vaccine and everything that has gone along with it would not inspire confidence.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 07-02-2021 09:47PM

Azatadine wrote: »

I have to say, I'd take the AZ vaccine myself in the morning if I could but it's completely mired in all kinds of fuzziness in terms of absolutely everything.

I'd take it but that's because I'm in a low risk group and it will be a long time before I get a vaccine otherwise. They have evidence that it reduces transmissions to a degree which is the most important thing to me (reducing the risk I give the virus to my elderly parents).

If you tried to give it to my vulnerable mother I think she would tell you to **** off. They will wait for the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine when they get it.

snowcat · 07-02-2021 09:49PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The AZ vaccine and everything that has gone along with it would not inspire confidence.

Im out on the mRNA vaccines. Not enough known so far and possibly a big can of worms to be opened down the road. Id take a traditional vaccine first. Im well down the list so we will see how the first cohort react in the medium term to the mRNA ones.

Mod: One week off for breaching your threadban

07-02-2021 09:52PM

snowcat wrote: »

Im out on the mRNA vaccines. Not enough known so far and possibly a big can of worms to be opened down the road. Id take a traditional vaccine first. Im well down the list so we will see how the first cohort react in the medium term to the mRNA ones.

Do you think the vaccine just sits in the body. The mRNA, or any other vaccine, are gone within a short period. Long term effects of vaccines, where they do occur, tend to be apparent in short term reaction

namloc1980 · 07-02-2021 09:53PM

snowcat wrote: »

Im out on the mRNA vaccines. Not enough known so far and possibly a big can of worms to be opened down the road. Id take a traditional vaccine first. Im well down the list so we will see how the first cohort react in the medium term to the mRNA ones.

I'm in Group 7 as I'm on immunosuppressive medication, and if I had a choice I'd go for the Pfizer vaccine. I have decreasing confidence in the AZ vaccine.

landofthetree · 07-02-2021 09:55PM

https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1358519075903856644

igCorcaigh · 07-02-2021 10:00PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1358519075903856644

Why would they halt the vaccine if there is still a possibility of it protecting against severe illness? The stuff doesn't last forever.

ACitizenErased · 07-02-2021 10:02PM

I'll take 4/5 AZ jabs in each arm if people on here don't want it, I want to get on with my life, personally

lawred2 · 07-02-2021 10:05PM

Is mid April a bit of a disappointment for the over 70's to have only received their first dose?

07-02-2021 10:13PM

Surely its severe illness they should care about, not mild?

ACitizenErased · 07-02-2021 10:15PM

AdamD wrote: »

Surely its severe illness they should care about, not mild?

wait until people find out that the average efficacy of a flu jab is about 50% :eek:

Apogee · 07-02-2021 10:18PM

Irish Examiner wrote:

Health Service Executive chief executive Paul Reid said there will be three GP-led vaccination hubs in place from this week, with plans for up to 40 more similar hubs around the country later.

They will range in size and scale, but the City Hall facility is set to be one of the largest in the national network of such hubs. It is also understood that health officials are considering developing similar vaccination hubs at Mallow GAA Club’s complex in North Cork, at the Bantry primary care centre in West Cork, at institutes of technology in Waterford and Tralee, at a sports complex in Killarney, as well as at the Clonmel Park Hotel and at a hotel in Enniscorthy.

Talks are at an advanced stage about developing similar vaccination facilities in similar locations in Kilkenny and Carlow.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40222166.html

JTMan · 07-02-2021 10:19PM

Bloomberg reporting here that an updated Oxford University-AstraZeneca vaccine to deal with the South African variant “very likely” to be available by autumn.

CureVac, Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer all working on updated vaccines.

ek motor · 07-02-2021 10:21PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Is mid April a bit of a disappointment for the over 70's to have only received their first dose?

It is. This whole vaccine rollout has been very disappointing so far.

ek motor · 07-02-2021 10:22PM

JTMan wrote: »

Bloomberg reporting here that an updated Oxford University-AstraZeneca vaccine to deal with the South African variant “very likely” to be available by autumn.

CureVac, Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer all working on updated vaccines.

How many more variants will be in circulation by then I wonder ?

NIMAN · 07-02-2021 10:26PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Is mid April a bit of a disappointment for the over 70's to have only received their first dose?

It's a massive disappointment.
Maybe it's because I'm hearing the figures from the UK and NI, which are putting us to shame.

But maybe the UK is an outlier and all of the eu is going slow?

Micky 32 · 07-02-2021 10:26PM

ek motor wrote: »

How many more variants will be in circulation by then I wonder ?

Not too many. Experts reckon it won’t mutate much more in the future. The mutants won’t be able to keep up with the vaccines.

ek motor · 07-02-2021 10:28PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Not too many. Experts reckon it won’t mutate much more in the future. The mutants won’t be able to keep up with the vaccines.

Well that's good news if its true

Cooled · 07-02-2021 10:30PM

AdamD wrote: »

Surely its severe illness they should care about, not mild?

Article in guardian today about how leading vaccine scientists are now saying the goal has to shift from herd immunity by vaccinating everyone to just vaccinating those most at risk of severe illness. Makes sense. Vast majority of hospitalisations are people over 70. If you are under 60 and healthy there is little reason to get the jab.

Storm 10 · 07-02-2021 10:35PM

Saw a drive through vaccine station in the US on CNN loads of lines and nurses lined up you drive along in the car stop at a nurse roll down your window she gives you the jab puts a plaster on your arm and off you go.

namloc1980 · 07-02-2021 10:40PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Saw a drive through vaccine station in the US on CNN loads of lines and nurses lined up you drive along in the car stop at a nurse roll down your window she gives you the jab puts a plaster on your arm and off you go.

Aren't you supposed to hang around for 15 minutes in case of reaction?

Storm 10 · 07-02-2021 10:41PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Aren't you supposed to hang around for 15 minutes in case of reaction?

Did not see that bit the probably park up for a while it was just like an assembly line and fast

hmmm · 07-02-2021 10:51PM

JTMan wrote: »

Bloomberg reporting here that an updated Oxford University-AstraZeneca vaccine to deal with the South African variant “very likely” to be available by autumn.

CureVac, Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer all working on updated vaccines.

Everything I've read from the experts is that the best vaccine is the one you can get first. If certain variants take off and become widespread you can (if you are in a high-risk group) get a booster later in the year.

The South African study reported on today was tiny, with huge confidence intervals. There's even some debate as to whether this strain has been out-competed by the UK strain in South Africa, so while it may be better at evading vaccines it's actually being squeezed out by another variant. Who knows.

All I know is I'll be a lot happier when I hear that the most-vulnerable people in my family have got a vaccine, whatever that is, and if they do encounter the virus it won't be completely new to their immune system.

Deathofcool · 07-02-2021 10:55PM

Based on the previous article linked with the German vaccine allocation I make out our equivalent allocation below. Obviously highly caveated.

Roger_007 · 07-02-2021 10:56PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Saw a drive through vaccine station in the US on CNN loads of lines and nurses lined up you drive along in the car stop at a nurse roll down your window she gives you the jab puts a plaster on your arm and off you go.

Hopefully nobody will crash 10 minutes down the road after reacting badly to the jab.

domrush · 07-02-2021 10:59PM

Deathofcool wrote: »

Based on the previous article linked with the German vaccine allocation I make out our equivalent allocation below. Obviously highly caveated.

19 million doses this year???

Deathofcool · 07-02-2021 11:03PM

domrush wrote: »

19 million doses this year???

That's what I make it out to be from the previously linked article below

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-impfstoff-herstellung-lieferung-2021-100.html

Germany are getting 342 million doses for a population of 83 million. I am assuming this doesn't include any of Germany's own deals.

07-02-2021 11:07PM

Deathofcool wrote: »

That's what I make it out to be from the previously linked article below

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-impfstoff-herstellung-lieferung-2021-100.html

Germany are getting 342 million doses for a population of 83 million. I am assuming this doesn't include any of Germany's own deals.

Germany are buying up other EU countries Moderna share so they're getting more than the per capita allowance under the EU deal. The total figure for Moderna for Ireland is around 1.7m.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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