Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:11PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So like every other winter in Ireland is what your saying.

Apart from the extra thousands of patients :rolleyes:

You're just playing now, you know it's not like every other winter really.

SnuggyBear · 06-02-2021 03:12PM

Graham wrote: »

Mentions nothing at all about us having longer restrictions than the rest of Europe.

Did you link the right article?

I linked the correct article pal. If you think we won't be the last out of lockdown you have learned nothing in a year.

walus · 06-02-2021 03:16PM

Graham wrote: »

In simple terms, spending.

Keep the economy moving as much as we can now and prepare to jump in with extra money to kickstart things when we begin to return to some sort of normal.

I get where you coming from. My problem with this is that the governments have failed over the past two decades to induce increases in productivity and create growth.

Some say that we have actually reach productivity peak in the western world and that the only gains that we can further achieve will be technology induced transformations that unfortunately will displace many jobs and have very negative short term effects.

Boggles · 06-02-2021 03:17PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So like every other winter in Ireland is what your saying.

Nope. But we are back to the beginning.

This is not like every other winter, I have done my best to explain why.

If you want to continue to indulge in pandemic denialism that's up to you.

Have a good one.

scamalert · 06-02-2021 03:18PM

Graham wrote: »

While you might have a valid point about pay rates for front-line staff, why would you begrudge the payment of PUP?

well he has a good point, i do 40hrs, add in odd 20 commute alone on top, and barely can bring in 300e afterwards, while a lot of people well capable get a lot more for f all.

in hindsight its always true nature, those on the highest risk end get f all, and majority that dont deserve $hit are deciding what to watch on netflix.

And no im not talking only public servants that are on the short end, look at Dub commute each morning from 6 onwards and theres pretty much your standard average ppl that are working as if nothing has changed, that pull the cart.

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:25PM

scamalert wrote: »

well he has a good point, i do 40hrs, add in odd 20 commute alone on top, and barely can bring in 300e afterwards, while a lot of people well capable get a lot more for f all.

It's temporary in response to a pandemic with little time to consider graduated benefits.

Not to take away from the fact you may well deserve to be better paid, but that's probably a different conversation.

06-02-2021 03:26PM

Graham wrote: »

Mentions nothing at all about us having longer restrictions than the rest of Europe.

Did you link the right article?

Well some countries are already easing restrictions. We’re talking about a six month lockdown.

I hate recession. I have seen the damage that it does to people. I know many people still struggling from 2008.

But we deserve every single bit of economic downturn we suffer because of our cowardly approach and lack of leadership.

frozen3 · 06-02-2021 03:30PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

You mean the people who have worked and paid tax for years? People who have been forbidden to do their job?

I mean the people that got sick in work should get that same €350 not the €203 after 2 weeks

Not begrudging the people that can't work now, they deserve it as well

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We’re talking about a six month lockdown.

who is, or is the like your ongoing 7 month lockdown?

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:31PM

frozen3 wrote: »

I mean the people that got sick in work should get that same €350 not the €203 after 2 weeks

Not begrudging the people that can't work now, they deserve it as well

FWIW, I'd agree with you there F3.

SnuggyBear · 06-02-2021 03:33PM

frozen3 wrote: »

I mean the people that got sick in work should get that same €350 not the €203 after 2 weeks

Not begrudging the people that can't work now, they deserve it as well

Ah right ye, I didn't know that happened that's pretty ****ty.

06-02-2021 03:34PM

Graham wrote: »

who is, or is the like your ongoing 7 month lockdown?

I believe Italy and Austria are already relaxing.

Won’t be long before others join. Not to mention that many already have less restrictions than us. Not too many closing construction and implementing 5Km.

Others will follow. And we’ll still have heavy restrictions come May.

ypres5 · 06-02-2021 03:34PM

Graham wrote: »

I don't know this.

What's your source?

what's your source for your idea that there isn't going to be austerity as a result of the lockdowns

frozen3 · 06-02-2021 03:35PM

Graham wrote: »

While you might have a valid point about pay rates for front-line staff, why would you begrudge the payment of PUP?

I don't

Frontline should get same pay if sick or top up to that level is what I am trying to say

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:38PM

ypres5 wrote: »

what's your source for your idea that there isn't going to be austerity as a result of the lockdowns

IMF / EU / ISM / BoE / Tánaiste.

What's your source to say austerity is coming?

niallo27 · 06-02-2021 03:39PM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope. But we are back to the beginning.

This is not like every other winter, I have done my best to explain why.

If you want to continue to indulge in pandemic denialism that's up to you.

Have a good one.

For the 3rd time do you think the 5500 people would not have gone to hospital if it hadn't been for covid.

aidoh · 06-02-2021 03:42PM

What do we all think will re-open on March 5th?

Gyms, "non-essential" retail, schools?

Maybe nothing?

frozen3 · 06-02-2021 03:43PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Ah right ye, I didn't know that happened that's pretty ****ty.

Yeah it is crap

Boggles · 06-02-2021 03:44PM

niallo27 wrote: »

For the 3rd time do you think the 5500 people would not have gone to hospital if it hadn't been for covid.

You think they would have gone for the craic?

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:44PM

niallo27 wrote: »

For the 3rd time do you think the 5500 people would not have gone to hospital if it hadn't been for covid.

So to be clear

Would the 5500 people who went to hospital with covid have gone to hospital if they didn't have covid?

For the most part, probably not voluntarily.

Is this were we should pretend those 5,500 would have gone to hospital anyway for some as yet unknown reason which I've no doubt you'll explain.

walus · 06-02-2021 03:46PM

What amazes me that people believe that one can avoid recession and austerity by hitting the ‘print’ button and throwing the money into the system to generate ‘growth’. Are the politicians all of a sudden going to develop a strong vision as to where this badly needed growth is going to come from?

Anybody who actually managed a business knows that a lack of money is not the most important factor, not even a top ten, that inhibits growth.

SnuggyBear · 06-02-2021 03:48PM

aidoh wrote: »

What do we all think will re-open on March 5th?

Gyms, "non-essential" retail, schools?

Maybe nothing?

Click and collect maybe

c montgomery · 06-02-2021 03:49PM

walus wrote: »

What amazes me that people believe that one can avoid recession and austerity by hitting the ‘print’ button and throwing the money into the system to generate ‘growth’. Are the politicians all of a sudden going to develop a strong vision as to where this badly needed growth is going to come from?

Anybody who actually managed a business knows that a lack of money is not the most important factor, not even a top ten, that inhibits growth.

Can you name the top 3? I would of thought money was a big factor in people's spending decisions.

Graham · 06-02-2021 03:51PM

aidoh wrote: »

What do we all think will re-open on March 5th?

Gyms, "non-essential" retail, schools?

Maybe nothing?

I'd expect construction, hopefully before then.

Click & collect as mentioned by another poster.

Maybe non-essential retail depending on the numbers.

niallo27 · 06-02-2021 04:00PM

Graham wrote: »

So to be clear

Would the 5500 people who went to hospital with covid have gone to hospital if they didn't have covid?

For the most part, probably not voluntarily.

Is this were we should pretend those 5,500 would have gone to hospital anyway for some as yet unknown reason which I've no doubt you'll explain.

Well the head of the hse said that up to 50% of hospital covids cases actually caught the virus when they were already in hospital, so yes a large portion would have gone to hospital anyway.

Boggles · 06-02-2021 04:01PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Well the head of the hse said that up to 50% of hospital covids cases actually caught the virus when they were already in hospital, so yes a large portion would have gone to hospital anyway.

No he didn't.

walus · 06-02-2021 04:04PM

c montgomery wrote: »

Can you name the top 3? I would of thought money was a big factor in people's spending decisions.

Technology, skill and education (at the country level). Money is important for sure, but throwing money around quickly leads to diminishing returns in productivity and consequently growth.

walus · 06-02-2021 04:11PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Well the head of the hse said that up to 50% of hospital covids cases actually caught the virus when they were already in hospital, so yes a large portion would have gone to hospital anyway.

That is not relevant though. What is worrying and very relevant is the virus transmissions from the airports to care homes, and between the construction workers as they socialise while eating their sausage rolls.

hynesie08 · 06-02-2021 04:16PM

aidoh wrote: »

What do we all think will re-open on March 5th?

Gyms, "non-essential" retail, schools?

Maybe nothing?

Construction, schools for LC and special needs, click and collect shopping, meeting more people outdoors.

walus · 06-02-2021 04:24PM

Is the plan to avoid the austerity through growth involving the whole country or just Dublin I wonder? For the last 20 years they have struggled to find a need for a Limerick-Cork motorway and failed to spot the benefits that it could give. Mind boggling stuff.

This country in many areas, with only a few exceptions, has been lagging in development and technology advancement relative to other EU countries for quite some time now. It’s going to take a lot more than just money to reverse this trend.

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