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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #5252
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    In my opinion having prolonged harsh restrictions just builds up pressure when a lockdown finishs, like Christmas people were crazy for some kind of social interaction, we had the longest lockdown in Europe and when it was lifted we went to being the worst in Europe. Was that just a coincidence.

    Any yet you bizarrely think reducing the restrictions will somehow take pressure off the health services?

    Odd


  • #5253
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    walus wrote: »
    Should the austerity measures be implemented across the board for those in employment and on welfare, as well as the pensioners? We are all in this together after all, right?

    That's really easy.

    There's shouldn't be any austerity measures.


  • #5254
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    niallo27 wrote: »
    In my opinion having prolonged harsh restrictions just builds up pressure when a lockdown finishs, like Christmas people were crazy for some kind of social interaction, we had the longest lockdown in Europe and when it was lifted we went to being the worst in Europe. Was that just a coincidence.

    I hear you but I think that it was Christmas provided the perfect storm. I think it brought far more people in contact with each for a significant amount of time than other time of year would. Clearly this is just an opinion.


  • #5255
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Graham wrote: »
    Any yet you bizarrely think reducing the restrictions will somehow take pressure off the health services?

    Odd

    When did I say that.


  • #5256
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    When did I say that.

    it's not entirely clear if you're suggesting anything or just having a moan.

    What are you proposing?


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  • #5257
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Graham wrote: »
    That's really easy.

    There's shouldn't be any austerity measures.

    I’m trying to concentrate on the version of reality that is out there not on one that I wished was there. What actually is and what should be are often two different things.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #5258
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Graham wrote: »
    it's not entirely clear if you're suggesting anything or just having a moan.

    What are you proposing?

    If you can't follow what is going on, I suggest you don't reply, just read the posts and you might catch up like a good lad.


  • #5259
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    walus wrote: »
    I’m trying to concentrate on the version of reality that is out there not on one that I wished was there.

    Stick around.

    Although there are elements of the fiscal response that could undoubtedly be improved, there's a broad EU (and beyond) consensus that austerity isn't the answer.


  • #5260
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Are you politican or something, you answer every question with just random waffle. My post said nothing about restrictions.

    Your post asked how we can take on 5500+ and growing patients without collapse.

    The reality is our health care system has partly "collapsed".

    It has moved to triage and emergency in the main as have the UK and other EU countries.

    Outpatient and some other services still operate but at reduced capacity because of infection control methods.


  • #5261
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Graham wrote: »
    Stick around.

    Although there are elements of the fiscal response that could undoubtedly be improved, there's a broad EU (and beyond) consensus that austerity isn't the answer.

    What is the answer then?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



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  • #5262
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,571 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    walus wrote: »
    Should the austerity measures be implemented across the board for those in employment and on welfare, as well as the pensioners? We are all in this together after all, right?

    Sinole but brilliant point! I mean we are locking down mostly for the elderly and to stop hospitals being overwgelmed. But we qte all in this tigether, lol!

    The social solidarity they tried to foster and many buy, is going to be found out to be the bull**** that it is by the masses soon.

    Mainly the young ....


  • #5263
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Boggles wrote: »
    Your post asked how we can take on 5500+ and growing patients without collapse.

    The reality is our health care system has partly "collapsed".

    It has moved to triage and emergency in the main as have the UK and other EU countries.

    Outpatient and some other services still operate but at reduced capacity because of infection control methods.

    Do you think all of these 5500 people would not have gone to hospital only for covid was my question. As for triage, have you examples of this. Why is this not all over the media.


  • #5264
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    niallo27 wrote: »
    In my opinion having prolonged harsh restrictions just builds up pressure when a lockdown finishs, like Christmas people were crazy for some kind of social interaction, we had the longest lockdown in Europe and when it was lifted we went to being the worst in Europe. Was that just a coincidence.

    How would you explain Germany?

    Anyway in hindsight if I can indulge in that for a moment.

    By bringing in the restrictions in November we most definitely slowed the UK strain taking hold earlier and putting more pressure on hospital systems.


  • #5265
    frozen3
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭frozen3


    walus wrote: »
    Should the austerity measures be implemented across the board for those in employment and on welfare, as well as the pensioners? We are all in this together after all, right?

    They could make it fair anyway

    Poor staff in Nursing homes and high risk environments working for €10 an hour are/were getting infected one after the other and get/got €350 for 2 weeks on illness benefit and then €203 a week afterwards while sick as a dog

    Then people on the PUP get €350 sitting at home with no risk to health

    That's scandalous imo


  • #5266
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    walus wrote: »
    What is the answer then?

    In simple terms, spending.

    Keep the economy moving as much as we can now and prepare to jump in with extra money to kickstart things when we begin to return to some sort of normal.


  • #5267
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If you can't follow what is going on, I suggest you don't reply, just read the posts and you might catch up like a good lad.

    Look, if you can't explain what it is you're suggesting there's no point getting personal with me.

    It's obvious you think there's something wrong with the current approach.

    What's your alternative?


  • #5268
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Do you think all of these 5500 people would not have gone to hospital only for covid was my question. As for triage, have you examples of this. Why is this not all over the media.

    Try book elective surgery this week and let me know how you get on.


  • #5269
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Boggles wrote: »
    Try book elective surgery this week and let me know how you get on.

    Hang on, are you comparing elective surgery getting postponed to triage. You still won't answer the question.


  • #5270
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Sinole but brilliant point! I mean we are locking down mostly for the elderly and to stop hospitals being overwgelmed. But we qte all in this tigether, lol!

    The social solidarity they tried to foster and many buy, is going to be found out to be the bull**** that it is by the masses soon.

    Mainly the young ....

    That is exactly my logic, pensioners should be paying for this too. We are all in this together ffs.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #5271
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Graham wrote: »
    Look, if you can't explain what it is you're suggesting there's no point getting personal with me.

    It's obvious you think there's something wrong with the current approach.

    What's your alternative?

    The current approach is fine but we both know this is going be a long drawn out lockdown with the rest of Europe opening long before us just like last time.


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  • #5272
    fran38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭fran38


    Does anyone know what time's the gards set up the checkpoints at the airport? I believe they also check inside the terminal building as well but is this before or after check in/ passport control? Or is it both?


  • #5273
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    As for triage, have you examples of this. Why is this not all over the media.

    It is.

    Most hospitals are focussing their immediate efforts on COVID patients. That's no secret in the media.


    Triage: verb
    verb: triage; 3rd person present: triages; past tense: triaged; past participle: triaged; gerund or present participle: triaging
    decide the order of treatment of (patients or casualties).


  • #5274
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Hang on, are you comparing elective surgery getting postponed to triage. You still won't answer the question.

    Yes.

    Surgeries are being carried out on medical need.

    Triage derived from the french word to 'sort'.

    What exactly is confusing your or surprising you about that?


  • #5275
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    The current approach is fine but we both know this is going be a long drawn out lockdown with the rest of Europe opening long before us just like last time.

    I don't know this.

    What's your source?


  • #5276
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    frozen3 wrote: »

    Then people on the PUP get €350 sitting at home with no risk to health

    That's scandalous imo

    You mean the people who have worked and paid tax for years? People who have been forbidden to do their job?


  • #5277
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Graham wrote: »
    It is.

    Most hospitals are focussing their immediate efforts on COVID patients. That's no secret in the media.


    Triage: verb
    verb: triage; 3rd person present: triages; past tense: triaged; past participle: triaged; gerund or present participle: triaging
    decide the order of treatment of (patients or casualties).

    Isn't that done every winter in Irish hospitals, that's why people are left on trolleys for 12 or more hours. When triage is mentioned on here it was always in respect of picking who to save from death.


  • #5278
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    frozen3 wrote: »
    They could make it fair anyway

    Poor staff in Nursing homes and high risk environments working for €10 an hour are/were getting infected one after the other and get/got €350 for 2 weeks on illness benefit and then €203 a week afterwards while sick as a dog

    Then people on the PUP get €350 sitting at home with no risk to health

    That's scandalous imo

    While you might have a valid point about pay rates for front-line staff, why would you begrudge the payment of PUP?


  • #5279
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Graham wrote: »
    I don't know this.

    What's your source?

    Here you go pal. From the bosses mouth

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/6456762/covid-restrictions-first-six-months-2021-taoiseach/


  • #5280
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yes.

    Surgeries are being carried out on medical need.

    Triage derived from the french word to 'sort'.

    What exactly is confusing your or surprising you about that?

    So like every other winter in Ireland is what your saying.


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  • #5281
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Here you go pal. From the bosses mouth

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/6456762/covid-restrictions-first-six-months-2021-taoiseach/

    Mentions nothing at all about us having longer restrictions than the rest of Europe.

    Did you link the right article?


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