Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Inviere · 29-01-2021 07:32PM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It helps to be half cut on the couch.

That Romulan Ale....I'm tellin' ya :pac:

Goodshape · 30-01-2021 09:34PM

(some spoilers from the last episode)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLaQiTjHHSA

silverharp · 31-01-2021 12:36PM

A random clip YT threw at me, If you have had to endure a diet of Spam for 3 seasons, one bite of a fillet steak tastes all the better :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1MZMMdAfU

pixelburp · 31-01-2021 01:01PM

Did a quick Google but couldn't see an obvious answer, but are those Emerald Chain soldiers all masked up supposed to be Been? They kinda look it, kinda sound it (albeit speaking English) and been curious.

Spear · 01-02-2021 11:51AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Did a quick Google but couldn't see an obvious answer, but are those Emerald Chain soldiers all masked up supposed to be Been? They kinda look it, kinda sound it (albeit speaking English) and been curious.

Helmets are just ust cheaper to do en-masse than makeup and prosthetics I suspect.

pixelburp · 01-02-2021 12:22PM

Spear wrote: »

Helmets are just ust cheaper to do en-masse than makeup and prosthetics I suspect.

Oh no, I figured as much at first - Dr. Who does that all the time with one alien in prosthetics, the rest all helmeted up - but then twigged they sorta looked like Breen, so was curious if it was confirmed.

Inviere · 01-02-2021 06:31PM

Finished Episode 4 there of Season 3. I hate to say it, but I really enjoyed it. Season 3 for me, so far, has been largely quite engaging

Inviere · 03-02-2021 10:39AM

Finished Unification III yesterday, I'm still enjoying S3 :eek: Some things to note though:

Putting 900+ year old advanced tech into Discovery, & the crew just knowing how to use it....to call that a stretch is an understatement. The time gap is so big, there's no frame of comparison...the closest being, is bolting a nuclear reactor into a Viking Longship....& letting the warriors go about their business with it

No doubt the tech is so advanced, you don't have to know how....it uses itself!

Secondly, promoting Tilly to XO is possibly one of the stupidest things to expect any fan of Star Trek to swallow. The ship is literally filled with higher ranked officers, but Saru overlooks all of them, for a nervous ensign.....yeah, sure.

Other than that, I'm finding myself wanting to keep watching all the time. The difference this time is I'm binge watching them, as opposed to S2 where I was catching them once a week. I wonder if I'd enjoy S2 this way! Anyway!

FGR · 03-02-2021 12:01PM

Agree with you Inviere - The time gap is simply too long. It's like throwing the crew of a 1700's man-o-war warship onto a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and telling them off you go..and multiply that time gap by three!!

I also think it's interesting how Discovery was even able to make contact with other species and the federation - their comms system must have been the equivalent of a cup on a string with very different security codes.

I just don't get the idea of moving so far into the future. It reeks of desperation to start a new even while keeping the same; but ensuring the miss out on the interesting bits like how we ended up with the situation on vulcan.

Banana Republic 1 · 03-02-2021 12:25PM

FGR wrote: »

Agree with you Inviere - The time gap is simply too long. It's like throwing the crew of a 1700's man-o-war warship onto a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and telling them off you go..and multiply that time gap by three!!

I also think it's interesting how Discovery was even able to make contact with other species and the federation - their comms system must have been the equivalent of a cup on a string with very different security codes.

I just don't get the idea of moving so far into the future. It reeks of desperation to start a new even while keeping the same; but ensuring the miss out on the interesting bits like how we ended up with the situation on vulcan.

That whole plot angle was lifted out of Andromeda.

H3llR4iser · 03-02-2021 12:29PM

Inviere wrote: »

Finished Unification III yesterday, I'm still enjoying S3 :eek: Some things to note though:

Unification III is where I finally "cut it". Last episode of Discovery I watched, as I found out that I simply had no will to keep on going after that. I had begun S3 with a positive - the first couple of episodes, although more "generic space Sci-fi" than Star Trek, had set the tone for something relatively interesting. Next couple of episodes were OK, then started becoming...well, boring is what come to mind. I started skipping parts of "dead space" where nothing was happening to advance the plot. Also, the "burn" is as lazy and stupid a plot device as it gets - space travel show without space travel. Yay.

Inviere wrote: »

Putting 900+ year old advanced tech into Discovery, & the crew just knowing how to use it....to call that a stretch is an understatement. The time gap is so big, there's no frame of comparison...the closest being, is bolting a nuclear reactor into a Viking Longship....& letting the warriors go about their business with it No doubt the tech is so advanced, you don't have to know how....it uses itself!

Secondly, promoting Tilly to XO is possibly one of the stupidest things to expect any fan of Star Trek to swallow. The ship is literally filled with higher ranked officers, but Saru overlooks all of them, for a nervous ensign.....yeah, sure.

Yeah I don't even wanna go into the technical details, it's clear they don't care. The Tilly thing, same thing - the showrunners don't care about "Star Trek fans", they basically have tarred us all with the same "-ist" brush. Also, they know most will keep watching, no matter what level the dumpster fire reaches.

Who they're writing for is the "Riverdale" type of audience - for these, Tilly works like a charm. Funny fact - the "Riverdale audience" are now up in arms about the Winx adaptation...because you know, it's something that they grew up with and is now being utterly destroyed in the "dark & gritty" cauldron. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.

breezy1985 · 03-02-2021 01:51PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Unification III is where I finally "cut it". Last episode of Discovery I watched, as I found out that I simply had no will to keep on going after that. I had begun S3 with a positive - the first couple of episodes, although more "generic space Sci-fi" than Star Trek, had set the tone for something relatively interesting. Next couple of episodes were OK, then started becoming...well, boring is what come to mind. I started skipping parts of "dead space" where nothing was happening to advance the plot. Also, the "burn" is as lazy and stupid a plot device as it gets - space travel show without space travel. Yay.

Thats how I watched the control part of season 2 and honestly I only needed to watch about 5mins of each episode to follow the plot.

You are right about the Riverdale thing. I have now accepted that despite all being sci-fi this show is just not aimed at or for TNG, BSG or Expanse fans. Its dark teen drama essentially Buffy or Twilight with lazeers

pah · 03-02-2021 03:13PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Thats how I watched the control part of season 2 and honestly I only needed to watch about 5mins of each episode to follow the plot.

You are right about the Riverdale thing. I have now accepted that despite all being sci-fi this show is just not aimed at or for TNG, BSG or Expanse fans. Its dark teen drama essentially Buffy or Twilight with lazeers

Sorry now but Buffy The Vampire Slayer is one of the best shows ever made for TV. I wouldn't do it such a disservice as to lob it in with Distupidry

breezy1985 · 03-02-2021 03:16PM

pah wrote: »

Sorry now but Buffy The Vampire Slayer is one of the best shows ever made for TV. I wouldn't do it such a disservice as to lob it in with Distupidry

Not saying they are the same standard but the same style. Teen drama and romance inserted into fantasy or sci-fi. I loved Buffy when I was a teenager but if it came.out now 20 years on I don't think I would be into it

Inviere · 03-02-2021 03:25PM

FGR wrote: »

Agree with you Inviere - The time gap is simply too long. It's like throwing the crew of a 1700's man-o-war warship onto a nuclear powered aircraft carrier

Even that's less than 300 years. The silly thing is, Discovery fits right into the future timeline, very little about the ship or crew needed to change....making it a prequel was a MASSIVE mistake to begin with, it always stuck out a sore thumb, & hamstrung itself with established facts/canon (break canon & people whinge, abide canon & other people whinge). It should have been a blank canvas. I feel by now, if Season 1 was Season 3 (with a slight reworking), the show would be standing much firmer on its feet than it is currently (with the usual per-season reboot.)

One other thing, the engineer character. (the one picked up in S2)...good lord what a pain. Characters like Riker get a lot of flak for their apparent treatment of subordinate crew....this engineer person though, she's a complete asshole in every sense of the word, personally and professionally.

breezy1985 · 03-02-2021 03:32PM

Inviere wrote: »

One other thing, the engineer character. (the one picked up in S2)...good lord what a pain. Characters like Riker get a lot of flak for their apparent treatment of subordinate crew....this engineer person though, she's a complete asshole in every sense of the word, personally and professionally.

I thought she was funny enough when used sparingly and at least she is just sarcastic. Georgiou on the other hand should have been spaced for the stuff she said

Stark · 03-02-2021 03:35PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

I thought she was funny enough when used sparingly and at least she is just sarcastic. Georgiou on the other hand should have been spaced for the stuff she said

"But we love her really and the cruel things she said to us were just her way of showing her affection for us. Hey, did we ever find out what happened to those crew members who started mysteriously disappearing after she arrived on board?".

Inviere · 03-02-2021 03:46PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

I thought she was funny enough when used sparingly and at least she is just sarcastic. Georgiou on the other hand should have been spaced for the stuff she said

Mirror Georgiou is painful, like awful...but I've known that since S1 so it's not really a surprise. That engineer though has more than a few times been worse than sarcastic....there was a scene with a minor officer in engineering, he was standing in the spore chamber I think, & she was rude, dismissive, and contemptable toward him....he'd definitely have a case for reporting her behaviour. She comes across a total asshole to those under her.

silverharp · 03-02-2021 05:13PM

Inviere wrote: »

Mirror Georgiou is painful, like awful...but I've known that since S1 so it's not really a surprise. That engineer though has more than a few times been worse than sarcastic....there was a scene with a minor officer in engineering, he was standing in the spore chamber I think, & she was rude, dismissive, and contemptable toward him....he'd definitely have a case for reporting her behaviour. She comes across a total asshole to those under her.

My wife's view was that they cant write female characters. Its almost like they think of a list of tropes that would fit if parodying male characters but they make the character female.

Inviere · 03-02-2021 05:22PM

silverharp wrote: »

My wife's view was that they cant write female characters. Its almost like they think of a list of tropes that would fit if parodying male characters but they make the character female.

Your wife is wise

That said, I still don't hate Burnham. I hate what the writers have done with her, making her the centre of absolutely everything. I like the Burnham centric stuff when she's not around the crew, as seen early in S3....I thought she was pretty damn good there. I kinda groan though when the superhero stuff starts.

pixelburp · 03-02-2021 05:32PM

Inviere wrote: »

Mirror Georgiou is painful, like awful...but I've known that since S1 so it's not really a surprise. That engineer though has more than a few times been worse than sarcastic....there was a scene with a minor officer in engineering, he was standing in the spore chamber I think, & she was rude, dismissive, and contemptable toward him....he'd definitely have a case for reporting her behaviour. She comes across a total asshole to those under her.

The Discovery writers seem to have no idea how to match action to character. It's similar to the "show, don't tell" mantra and despite a fundamental in 101 creative writing, is almost never visible on this show. So many "character" moments amount to the cast standing around telling each other how inspiring/amazing etc. they are, despite any evidence to the contrary.

Georgiou is the apotheosis of this: the writers are obviously aiming for this whole Space Bitch, too cool to give a fúck ... but really she does angle. But there's no action to match, while running parallel is the Discovery cast who not only give her the time of day ... but treat her as an inspiring figure. Mild spoiler, but in a later episode, Tilly toasts Georgiou for pushing her "... in her own way", while calling her a "badass" - despite earlier in the same episode behaving like a thundering cnut to the poor ensign. I rarely speak to the TV screen but I openly told the show to "fúck off" with that.

Banana Republic 1 · 03-02-2021 07:10PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Thats how I watched the control part of season 2 and honestly I only needed to watch about 5mins of each episode to follow the plot.

You are right about the Riverdale thing. I have now accepted that despite all being sci-fi this show is just not aimed at or for TNG, BSG or Expanse fans. Its dark teen drama essentially Buffy or Twilight with lazeers

Would teens not see right through STD

breezy1985 · 03-02-2021 08:19PM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Would teens not see right through STD

Probably would ya. I'm saying it's trying to be Buffy or Riverdale I'm not saying it's living up to it but it does seem to have some people hooked at least.

I think teenage me would like it for the action but I can't think of any character I would have really liked the way I always had firm favorites with old Trek and not being able to actually see any of the ships would have been a big issue for teenage me too

breezy1985 · 03-02-2021 08:28PM

pixelburp wrote: »

The Discovery writers seem to have no idea how to match action to character. It's similar to the "show, don't tell" mantra and despite a fundamental in 101 creative writing, is almost never visible on this show. So many "character" moments amount to the cast standing around telling each other how inspiring/amazing etc. they are, despite any evidence to the contrary.

Georgiou is the apotheosis of this: the writers are obviously aiming for this whole Space Bitch, too cool to give a fúck ... but really she does angle. But there's no action to match, while running parallel is the Discovery cast who not only give her the time of day ... but treat her as an inspiring figure. Mild spoiler, but in a later episode, Tilly toasts Georgiou for pushing her "... in her own way", while calling her a "badass" - despite earlier in the same episode behaving like a thundering cnut to the poor ensign. I rarely speak to the TV screen but I openly told the show to "fúck off" with that.

I find it so annoying that no one ever disagrees with each other except when it's Burnham telling someone they are wrong. You often saw inexperienced people pulled up on stuff when in command and even Picard has his orders challenged but no with DIS is all "you're so awesome ensign girl boss Tilly". It's a pity they promoted her too because I finally got over the fact she is too much of a complete mess for Starfleet and actually liked her this season till then

As for Georgiou she keeps reminding Saru that she eats Kelpians (and not in the good way) and Saru just takes it. Same the way she treats Tilly, just knock her the Fk out

Burnham the character would be fine in a different Trek where she is just one of the crew.
Burnham the 1st ever mutineer, Spock sister/mentor, Red Angel daughter, Burn solver is the problem

RandomViewer · 03-02-2021 08:33PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Probably would ya. I'm saying it's trying to be Buffy or Riverdale I'm not saying it's living up to it but it does seem to have some people hooked at least.

I think teenage me would like it for the action but I can't think of any character I would have really liked the way I always had firm favorites with old Trek and not being able to actually see any of the ships would have been a big issue for teenage me too

Character development is poor, thirty something episodes and most of the crew have had no development past a name

pah · 03-02-2021 08:57PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Not saying they are the same standard but the same style. Teen drama and romance inserted into fantasy or sci-fi. I loved Buffy when I was a teenager but if it came.out now 20 years on I don't think I would be into it

My girls (13) & (17) are watching Teen Wolf & Vampire Diaries & possibly Riverdale

I'm going to get them to watch some Buffy though. Ill see how it goes

Bobtheman · 07-02-2021 06:56PM

I just watched the last episode of series 3.
I liked it. I really don't have an issue with the Burham centric nature of the show. I think Kirk and picard probably saved their crews and life as we know it too many times to mention.
They need to flesh out some of the other bridge crew.
The other black woman for instance. Give them each an episode.
I'm a bit tired of story arcs and wish for stand alone episodes but it's a forlorn hope I'm sure.

pixelburp · 13-02-2021 05:55PM

Right, it's done. Only got around to the last episode yesterday. Bit of a damp fart all round and as said already this season managed to set up an interesting premise only to singularly fail to explore it in any fashion. This show just won't let anything settle for a minute, to grow organically. It's all gogogogo, but a fast pace doesn't mean you can't do development, it just takes craft.

As to the final moment? You know, I'll run with it. Cos of the many egregious problems with character writing, Burnham's constant undermining of basic command structure made her impossible to cheer on. It took 3 seasons to put her in the place the writers kept pretending she occupied. At least now her unilateralism will fit her actions.

And I don't normally get annoyed about the details but whoever managed the FX for that turbolift fight should be fired. A total disregard for basic internal geography and space. Especially for a craft so horizontally thin. Those shafts were the size of a dockyard FFS.

Evade · 20-02-2021 06:35PM

Didn't STD have silly turbolifts in season one too?

TheValeyard · 20-02-2021 06:44PM

Evade wrote: »

Didn't STD have silly turbolifts in season one too?

Yes. Like some rollarcoaster thinge

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