Star Trek Discovery ***Season 3*** [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

AMKC

Well CBS released a trailer for Discovery season 3 at New York Comic Con but its not yet available this side of the bond yet. Maybe Netfliks will have one out in the next few days.
They also released some Short Trek trailers which are available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WexZWZN_-pA

Stark

You can watch the Discovery trailer here https://intl.startrek.com/videos/star-trek-discovery-season-three-trailer-nycc

pixelburp

Reading between the lines, looks like my theory might be right: this is future where the Federation is a memory in an otherwise broken galaxy. The Discovery then acting as a unifying force (basically cribbing Andromeda, Rodenberrys own old idea).

Looks like Burnham remains the centre of the narrative universe so ... yay?

Slydice

:eek: Lurians can run?

AtomicHorror

Interesting trailer. Andorians and Trill all looking less than happy. It's still hard to read the premise, aside from the time setting.

pixelburp wrote: »

Reading between the lines, looks like my theory might be right: this is future where the Federation is a memory in an otherwise broken galaxy. The Discovery then acting as a unifying force (basically cribbing Andromeda, Rodenberrys own old idea).

Looks like Burnham remains the centre of the narrative universe so ... yay?

Looks like it... though perhaps they're picking up on Calypso... the Federation is not gone as such, but evolved into the less benign "V'draysh". Discovery has such a quasi-anthology vibe, that might be the theme for this season, after which they go do something completely different. Hunt dinosaurs 100 million years in the past or something.

I like it, but it is an odd show in a lot of ways.

Slydice

Based on the costume design of the people who have captured the Discovery, I'm guessing there's either Mirror Universe involvement or.. some kind of shout-out to the Star Trek Enterprise era Starfleet. Their uniforms kinda looks like a cross between Mirror Universe DS9 Bajoran and Star Trek Enterprise era Starfleet.

AtomicHorror

The video app on the Star Trek website is infuriating. Either it's bugged to hell or they've deliberately blocked freeze-frame on certain parts of the trailer.

I spotted Trill, Cardassian, Lurian as well as the Andorians.

Slydice

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Either it's bugged to hell or they've deliberately blocked freeze-frame on certain parts of the trailer.

Yeah it's wierd how they set it up.

The web browser has to:
1. Get the link for the streaming playlist
2. From the playlist, pick the video quality it wants to use (like 1080p)
3. Get the Audio file for that video quality
4. Get the Video file for that video quality
5. Join the Video and Audio up together
6. Show the combined AudioVisual experience

It looks like they put a lot into that but not into the player software.

_Kaiser_

So Burnham is still the centre of the universe and still as wooden as ever.

Federation flag looks to have a lot less members (unless this is deliberately different).

Still looks to be carrying the same flaws as previous seasons. At least Picard seems to be doing things right

Inviere

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Still looks to be carrying the same flaws as previous seasons. At least Picard seems to be doing things right

Very much agreed. I know it's hard to tell by a few seconds of trailer footage, but I still haven't mustered up the desire to re-watch S2 given how disappointing I found the writing. I still believe the show has big potential, but until it finds some stability, and stops seemingly changing hands/rebooting after every season, I'll continue to feel a bit jaded by it. This feels like attempt #3 to get it right. In the hands of a competent and stable writing team, the show could have been so much better. At the moment for me, it sits firmly at the bottom of the pile of ST shows.

pixelburp

I see two probable arcs: either Discovery is to be the glue that reforms the broken Federation (the flag with reduced stars a strong clue that), or else the ship is in a possible timeline, one where it turns out Discovery played a pivotal role in the past, necessitating a return. My bets are on the former as IMO it offers a more interesting (if blatantly cribbed) story while sidestepping the issues of redundancy with a prequel story.

I'm quite optimistic here TBH, despite the nods to more Burnham centric stuff. Flinging the Discovery into the deep future is a potentially brave, interesting avenue and one never visited properly before in a Trek show. It unencumbers the show from prequel canon and arguably, finally lets the show do its own thing.

On more trivial matters I hope Burnham sticks with the longer hair, looks better than that weird monolith 'fro from the last 2 years.

AMKC

I will watch this to see where it goes but like everyone else I still think just having Burnham as the main character to the stories is not working and that they need to give the other characters more involvement. I do not think there was not much in that trailer really and the Picard trailer's have been much better but am willing to give both shows a chance especially now that Discovery is going to be set so far in the future which is where it should have been set in the first place.

FutureGuy

pixelburp wrote: »

I see two probable arcs: either Discovery is to be the glue that reforms the broken Federation (the flag with reduced stars a strong clue that), or else the ship is in a possible timeline, one where it turns out Discovery played a pivotal role in the past, necessitating a return. My bets are on the former as IMO it offers a more interesting (if blatantly cribbed) story while sidestepping the issues of redundancy with a prequel story.

I'm quite optimistic here TBH, despite the nods to more Burnham centric stuff. Flinging the Discovery into the deep future is a potentially brave, interesting avenue and one never visited properly before in a Trek show. It unencumbers the show from prequel canon and arguably, finally lets the show do its own thing.

On more trivial matters I hope Burnham sticks with the longer hair, looks better than that weird monolith 'fro from the last 2 years.

Yeah Burnham being the saviour of every situation is tiring, but I am very excited by the premise. The rebuilding of the Federation is a very strong storyline that could last numerous seasons. We can clearly see Trill and their symbiote pools as well as many other notable species (including Lurians!).

I would be stunned if they returned to the present. In fact, if they do, I'd be downright disappointed.

AtomicHorror

I'd like it if they return instead to the 25th century, run contemporary with Picard.

The first lines of the trailer suggest that Burnham has spent some time trying to figure out what events in the past (the first domino as she puts it) lead to the current outcome for the Federation. But that statement might just be the preamble to "we can't fix the past", rather echoing Picard too.

Spear

I suspect just about all the footage seen was from the first episode, so I'm doubtful it's too reflective of the entire series arc, given that the first two series took fairly different directions in their latter halves.

I'm fairly confident we'll see them sent back in time to right whatever mistake it was started the Federation on its death spiral.

pixelburp

Spear wrote: »

I suspect just about all the footage seen was from the first episode, so I'm doubtful it's too reflective of the entire series arc, given that the first two series took fairly different directions in their latter halves.

I'm fairly confident we'll see them sent back in time to right whatever mistake it was started the Federation on its death spiral.

That's very true, a lot of TV trailers tend to be made from the first couple of episodes, often because they're the only ones fully complete. I'd be surprised though if Discovery returns to its present timeline, this feels like a concerted attempt to decouple itself from prequel redundancy, as well as the constant backlash over dicking with the canon.

AMKC

I really think if Discovery is going to survive as a series there is two things they need to do and one not to do.

1st) They need to get away from all the stories centering around Burnham and her always being the hero its old now and has not worked,

2nd) They need to stay where they are in the future now as going back to a past point will just ruin it and only put people off it more.

The one not to do is basically the same as my second point just said another way. They should not have Discovery come back from the future to a past point as this will just put people off. Where they are now they have free reign and can do whatever they like but they really need to get the character development going as its bad that after two seasons most of us only know one or two characters in it.

Evade

A resounding meh.

A few non arc episodes could go a long way to fixing STD, take a break and have some non-Burnham (or Tilly) characters go have holodeck shenanigans or whatever.

Is the Spore Drive still a thing? Maybe they could get around the galaxy a bit more.

The search for the pivotal moment Bunha's looking for would take about 3 seconds with a 29th century timeship's sensors but I doubt they'll be brought up.

Rawr

AMKC wrote: »

1st) They need to get away from all the stories centering around Burnham and her always being the hero its old now and has not worked,

2nd) They need to stay where they are in the future now as going back to a past point will just ruin it and only put people off it more.

1) Completely agree here. Can't help but wonder what kind of contract Martin-Green has for Discovery. If the terms of the original contract count for 3 or more seasons, then my gut tells me that there is some kind of clause in her contract compels the writers to put focus on her character. If my gut's thoery has any basis in reality, then Michael will save the universe yet again, and will do so in every season until the show ends, or until the contract is modified.

2) Total agree. I feel that this is the only hope Discovery has left to survive into a 4th Season and beyond. Messing around with established Trek history is very poloreising and if they can just move the story forward then things might actually get interesting.

Stay in the future and respect the established lore of Star Trek and if at all possible drop Michael. Then you're onto a winner I feel.

pixelburp

A trailer for the new run of Short Treks was also released by the way, for those wanting more Spock:

https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1180540846363402240

BrookieD

i seem to remember reading that Riker would not show up till Ep04 so if true they went further into the run that most new shows with debut trailers.

AtomicHorror

BrookieD wrote: »

i seem to remember reading that Riker would not show up till Ep04 so if true they went further into the run that most new shows with debut trailers.

That's the full trailer for Picard, as opposed to the teaser for Discovery.

AMKC

BrookieD wrote: »

i seem to remember reading that Riker would not show up till Ep04 so if true they went further into the run that most new shows with debut trailers.

I think you have the wrong show.

Stark

pixelburp wrote: »

A trailer for the new run of Short Treks was also released by the way, for those wanting more Spock:

https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1180540846363402240

So judging from the Twitter comments, I'm not the only one who thought he sounded more like Sheldon than Spock

AtomicHorror

Stark wrote: »

So judging from the Twitter comments, I'm not the only one who thought he sounded more like Sheldon than Spock

I don't get the reactions. His character is different to what we know from TOS and later, but I expected it to be, to slot in with his depiction in the first pilot and thereby appease the very canon-nerds who are now having yet another hissy fit.

Slydice

The guy who voices Archer.. in the Archer animated show (not Enterprise):
https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1181615384585109504

pixelburp

Man, I'd love a series on the Enterprise, this will have to do. For all the moaning over prequels, who knew the most desired spin-off would be a Pike-led Enterprise show?

pixelburp

Apparently the first two Short Treks have been released. Not sure when / if they'll pop up on Netflix but ... well, you know

fritzelly

The first two shorts with Pike make me just want him to have his own show even more - he just fits in to the role perfectly, even Number 1 just feels natural

And the tribbles episode is funny (make sure to watch til the end)

CastorTroy

Yeah there is a post credits scene.
They're clearly having fun with the new Short Treks.

fritzelly

CastorTroy wrote: »

Yeah there is a post credits scene.
They're clearly having fun with the new Short Treks.

And pause to read the sub text!

Spear

The previous set of Short Treks all figured into the next Discovery season, including Calypso it seems. Are the tribbles the cause of the federation collapse in season 3?

AMKC

Spear wrote: »

The previous set of Short Treks all figured into the next Discovery season, including Calypso it seems. Are the tribbles the cause of the federation collapse in season 3?

I was going to say how could they the Klingons wiped them all out then I remembered something else and thought ok ye maybe. Still can not see how they would do.

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

I was going to say how could they the Klingons wiped them all out then I remembered something else and thought ok ye maybe. Still can not see how they would do.

Tribbles infest a number of Federation worlds and their rampant breeding creates a dense enough mass of tribbles to collapse into black holes.

TheIrishGrover

I haven't watched the new shorts yet but it does seem strange that at least the first one focused on The Enterprise..... I wonder are they testing the reaction? Because if they are: "Stopit. Give us!!!!!"

pixelburp

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I haven't watched the new shorts yet but it does seem strange that at least the first one focused on The Enterprise..... I wonder are they testing the reaction? Because if they are: "Stopit. Give us!!!!!"

Certainly getting the actors back would have been tricky, but presumably the fact they had a bunch of Enterprise sets already built & sitting around idle was the main driver. I don't think the second episode was set on the Enterprise, was it an obviously redressed Enterprise?

Goodshape

I'd say they were redressed sets, yeah. From both Enterprise and also Discovery with brighter more colorful lighting. Looked nice

Tribbles episode was good fun.

fritzelly

Don't see the point of the latest Short Trek - added nothing, over before it began (

but AM again...is it a teaser for a new show...

)

CastorTroy

That's what I was about to say. They've put a lot of effort into these things for one-offs.
But the previous series of Short Treks were pretty well done as well. 2 of them tied into season 2, or was it more?
I did guess this one

was a test

. But I liked it

pixelburp

Last years tied into the finale, in the worst possible way: basically if you hadn't seen a random 15 minute webisode via Netflix, Tilly's 11th hour "oh my good friend is a queen on a planet that mines Mcguffinanium" was even more baffling and arbitrary. If that were possible. I knew who she was and still found it bloody awful writing.

So keeping the shorts separated from the main series would be a better move - even if it reignites the clamour for a Pine-Enterprise spin off.

fritzelly

pixelburp wrote: »

So keeping the shorts separated from the main series would be a better move - even if it reignites the clamour for a Pine-Enterprise spin off.

Aye but what was the point of this latest short? Added nothing, no story there. The actress has already said it was a one off for her.

CastorTroy

Yeah, Tilly's episode and Saru's episode were the ones that tied in.

When I saw the trailer for the next Short Trek I initially thought

it was a trailer for the Lower Decks animated series

pixelburp

I hadn't realised the Short Treks were still going, as I'm reading the next two will be animated; had forgot to check out the ones already broadcast but definitely curious now. First Trek cartoons since the 60s!

Bobtheman

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So Burnham is still the centre of the universe and still as wooden as ever.

Federation flag looks to have a lot less members (unless this is deliberately different).

Still looks to be carrying the same flaws as previous seasons. At least Picard seems to be doing things right

Interesting ? I think she was meant to be reserved having been raised on Vulcan. Im not sure if it's fair to call her wooden

pixelburp

It's a fair punt to guess that season 3 is set in a post Federation world, and that the flag we saw was a version from that period of downfall, when presumably members left. I'm still guessing that location is some shrine or museum, and the fellow a hologram curator.

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

It's a fair punt to guess that season 3 is set in a post Federation world, and that the flag we saw was a version from that period of downfall, when presumably members left. I'm still guessing that location is some shrine or museum, and the fellow a hologram curator.

I'm not sure the stars on the flag directly correspond to member worlds/races, there's only 3 big and 70 something small stars which seems a little on the low side.

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

I'm not sure the stars on the flag directly correspond to member worlds/races, there's only 3 big and 70 something small stars which seems a little on the low side.

Especially as Kirk said there are thosands of worlds and more being added every day. Maybe he was excaturating a bit.
Maybe they are for the amount od solar systems in the Federation. So it could be 3 big solar systems ie Sol System and 70 small ones ie Andoran system or the Tellerite system in the Milky Way Galaxy that are in the Federation. I think that could make sense.

Stark

AMKC wrote: »

Especially as Kirk said there are thosands of worlds and more being added every day. Maybe he was excaturating a bit.
Maybe they are for the amount od solar systems in the Federation. So it could be 3 big solar systems ie Sol System and 70 small ones ie Andoran system or the Tellerite system in the Milky Way Galaxy that are in the Federation. I think that could make sense.

Sounds like exaggeration on Kirk's part there

Most of the canon seems to accept the Federation being about ~150 member worlds/species. With each species have multiple colony planets, that would mean the total number of planets in the Federation would be in the 4 figure territory. I guess if you include worlds that are part of member world territory but haven't been terraformed, that figure gets bigger. But still not in the growing by thousands per day range.

Apparently the 3 big stars correspond to Earth, Vulcan and Andoria https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Flag_of_the_Federation

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

Especially as Kirk said there are thosands of worlds and more being added every day. Maybe he was excaturating a bit.
Maybe they are for the amount od solar systems in the Federation. So it could be 3 big solar systems ie Sol System and 70 small ones ie Andoran system or the Tellerite system in the Milky Way Galaxy that are in the Federation. I think that could make sense.

Or the big three (four) founder governments and 70 odd other ones that might have included smaller preexisting multi-species alliances to get the number up to 150 or so species and thousands of worlds.

so we're saying i will have to actually watch the short treks

Slydice

bluewolf wrote: »

so we're saying i will have to actually watch the short treks

I binged them all just before season 2 the last time.. there was a hint of what was coming in season 3