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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #2342
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Sat 30 - 1414
    Fri 29 - 1247
    Thr 28 - 1463
    Wed 27 - 1331
    Tue 26 - 926
    Mon 25 - 1396
    Sun 24 - 1370
    7 day average 1302



    Sat 23 - 1905
    Fri 22 - 2357
    Thr 21 - 2598
    Wed 20 - 2485
    Tue 19 - 1996
    Mon 18 - 2117
    Sun 17 - 2946
    7 day average 2343

    That is perspective.


  • #2343
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Point of order. Many/most people who have been sick, or have died, did not do the 'wrong thing'! Your post is a little sanctimonious.

    Not in the slightest, I have no concern for others at this stage. My life has been derailed long enough.

    I realise my opinion is a result of the situation.. but it is what it is.


  • #2344
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Does anyone have an explanation as to why the death rate in the UK is still so high when they have been vaccinating the most vulnerable people since early December. It is over twice the death rate in France where comparatively very few vaccinations have been done and where the case rate is almost as high as the UK.
    Should there not have been a dramatic fall in deaths in the UK by now.?
    I don’t understand why this should be!


  • #2345
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Does anyone have an explanation as to why the death rate in the UK is still so high when they have been vaccinating the most vulnerable people since early December. It is over twice the death rate in France where comparatively very few vaccinations have been done and where the case rate is almost as high as the UK.
    Should there not have been a dramatic fall in deaths in the UK by now.?
    I don’t understand why this should be!

    Deaths trail ICU admittance which trails cases. Also the vaccine takes a while to become effective, 10-14 days I think?

    As they continue vaccinations and the effectiveness rises we should hopefully see a good reduction.


  • #2346
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Does anyone have an explanation as to why the death rate in the UK is still so high when they have been vaccinating the most vulnerable people since early December. It is over twice the death rate in France where comparatively very few vaccinations have been done and where the case rate is almost as high as the UK.
    Should there not have been a dramatic fall in deaths in the UK by now.?
    I don’t understand why this should be!

    A number of factors:
    - It takes at least a couple of weeks for the first dose of the vaccine to have any effect
    - Two doses of the vaccine are required to maximise efficacy
    - Anyone with a covid positive test is not vaccinated until 4 weeks after their test
    - There is a lag in reporting deaths
    - On average it takes 2 to 3 weeks for someone with Covid to die

    So, nothing unexpected about the UK stats at the moment. You would expect to see improvement in February, but not yet.


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  • #2347
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Deaths trail ICU admittance which trails cases. Also the vaccine takes a while to become effective, 10-14 days I think?

    As they continue vaccinations and the effectiveness rises we should hopefully see a good reduction.

    That doesn’t explain why there is such a big difference.


  • #2348
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    That doesn’t explain why there is such a big difference.

    The UK was riddled with it, compared to France.


  • #2349
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Are we stuck around 1500 a day until serious amounts of vaccinations?

    7-day average is 1307 cases per day the 5 day average is 1279.

    It was predicted on here last Saturday that the 7 day average today would be between 1500 to 1800 so we are very much on track.


  • #2350
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    blowitupref wrote: »
    7-day average is 1307 cases per day the 5 day average is 1279.

    It was predicted on here last Saturday that the 7 day average today would be between 1500 to 1800 so we are very much on track.

    So far this week Sunday - Saturday 9147 cases
    Last Week Sunday - Saturday 16404 cases

    44% decrease

    I know it may not seem like it with high daily cases and we all want cases to go down faster but we are making progress


  • #2351
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Not sure this is the right thread to post in but here goes. I know of a nursing home where family members of the owners got their first jab last week. Basically they arrived on the day of the vaccination and had no problems getting it. These members would never had set foot inside the nursing home previous to this. It included family members of the owners and their partners. Think what they are doing is putting these people down as volunteers at the home so this qualifies them to receive the vaccine. They would be healthy people in their 30s/40s. Disgusting behaviour if you ask me


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  • #2352
    GetWithIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Not sure this is the right thread to post in but here goes. I know of a nursing home where family members of the owners got their first jab last week. Basically they arrived on the day of the vaccination and had no problems getting it. These members would never had set foot inside the nursing home previous to this. It included family members of the owners and their partners. Think what they are doing is putting these people down as volunteers at the home so this qualifies them to receive the vaccine. They would be healthy people in their 30s/40s. Disgusting behaviour if you ask me
    Name and shame


  • #2353
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Not sure this is the right thread to post in but here goes. I know of a nursing home where family members of the owners got their first jab last week. Basically they arrived on the day of the vaccination and had no problems getting it. These members would never had set foot inside the nursing home previous to this. It included family members of the owners and their partners. Think what they are doing is putting these people down as volunteers at the home so this qualifies them to receive the vaccine. They would be healthy people in their 30s/40s. Disgusting behaviour if you ask me

    Source of your information?


  • #2354
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,029 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Does anyone have an explanation as to why the death rate in the UK is still so high when they have been vaccinating the most vulnerable people since early December. It is over twice the death rate in France where comparatively very few vaccinations have been done and where the case rate is almost as high as the UK.
    Should there not have been a dramatic fall in deaths in the UK by now.?
    I don’t understand why this should be!

    The first vaccinations took place in mid December, but it wasn't ramped up until AZ started to be rolled out on 4th Jan, and even then numbers were low in the first week to check for reactions. So it was 11th Jan before vaccinations took off in a big way in the UK. That is still less than 3 weeks ago. The number of new cases in the UK appear to have fallen significantly, but that is probably virtually exclusively down to the lockdown, maybe the vaccine is starting to have a small impact. I'd say the number of over 80s being admitted to hospital due to Covid by mid/late Feb may be the first real indicator as to whether the roll out is going as hoped.


  • #2355
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Source of your information?

    Brother of a resident in the home


  • #2356
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1355135649477758979


  • #2357
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Not sure I'd ever get over the embarrassment of an anal swab.
    pc7 wrote: »
    Aw seriously, as bad as the nasal swab is (I didn’t find it that bad), but 2021 can fook right off of I’m dropping my knickers in a test center for an anal swab!!

    You would probably do it yourself, nasal or throat swab was done by a healthcare professional as it was important to go uncomfortably deep enough to collect enough sample.

    Anal swab no problem as you can tell by the colour that you have got sample.


  • #2358
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    You would probably do it yourself, nasal or throat swab was done by a healthcare professional as it was important to go uncomfortably deep enough to collect enough sample.

    Isn't it rather ironic that they have to bury a swab half way up to your brain to get a tiny sample, yet you can breathe the wrong way in a room and everyone present gets infected. :rolleyes:


  • #2359
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Danno wrote: »
    Isn't it rather ironic that they have to bury a swab half way up to your brain to get a tiny sample, yet you can breathe the wrong way in a room and everyone present gets infected. :rolleyes:


    It might be similar to the way that dogs are always said to have an amazing sense of smell, yet they go nose to arse to smell other dogs.


  • #2360
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Danno wrote: »
    Isn't it rather ironic that they have to bury a swab half way up to your brain to get a tiny sample, yet you can breathe the wrong way in a room and everyone present gets infected. :rolleyes:

    Depends on the incubation timeline, you could have virus at time of testing but not yet shedding it.


  • #2361
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Just a visual rep of the ICU beds available tonight in acute hospitals using latest HSE operations report numbers. Doesn't look good.

    30-01-2021-map.jpg


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  • #2362
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Just a visual rep of the ICU beds available tonight in acute hospitals using latest HSE operations report numbers. Doesn't look good.

    It certainly doesn't look good, but hark back to the days when Mary Harney was minister for health, se was advised to ramp up ICU capacity to north of 500 beds.

    That recommendation came during a time when there was no epidemic and when population numbers were lower.

    You can bet your bottom dollar that she never acted.


  • #2363
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Just a visual rep of the ICU beds available tonight in acute hospitals using latest HSE operations report numbers. Doesn't look good.

    April last year there was 420 opened and staffed ICU beds, now we're at 340 open and staffed. I would assume the 80 difference is down to lack of staff for obvious reasons?


  • #2364
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,278 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Not sure this is the right thread to post in but here goes. I know of a nursing home where family members of the owners got their first jab last week. Basically they arrived on the day of the vaccination and had no problems getting it. These members would never had set foot inside the nursing home previous to this. It included family members of the owners and their partners. Think what they are doing is putting these people down as volunteers at the home so this qualifies them to receive the vaccine. They would be healthy people in their 30s/40s. Disgusting behaviour if you ask me

    Id go to the media with it tbh. Think families of the relatives have a right to know and everyone else. Its not their vaccine to distribute to relatives, its the states to vaccinate vulnerable people and actual workers there.


  • #2365
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Danno wrote: »
    It certainly doesn't look good, but hark back to the days when Mary Harney was minister for health, se was advised to ramp up ICU capacity to north of 500 beds.

    That recommendation came during a time when there was no epidemic and when population numbers were lower.

    You can bet your bottom dollar that she never acted.

    Document back to Swine flu and it says they needed more capacity .
    Wolf359f wrote: »

    April last year there was 420 opened and staffed ICU beds, now we're at 340 open and staffed. I would assume the 80 difference is down to lack of staff for obvious reasons?

    We've heard of them moving ICU patients to other hospitals that are miles away due to bed issues.

    On a local note, Waterford has no 24 hour cardiac care, after hours and weekends if you have a heart attack you are sent to CUH. Other emergency procedures are also sent CUH when it comes to weekend.
    Last time I was in hospital pre-covid relative overheard a conversation in A+E where a man came in with chest pains, and they were telling the wife to drive him to cork because he could not be treated there, They told he was probably having a heart attack. Same thing is probably happening with other hospitals and it has to be costing lives.


  • #2366
    cityboyjim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭cityboyjim


    On a local note, Waterford has no 24 hour cardiac care, after hours and weekends if you have a heart attack you are sent to CUH. Other emergency procedures are also sent CUH when it comes to weekend.
    Last time I was in hospital pre-covid relative overheard a conversation in A+E where a man came in with chest pains, and they were telling the wife to drive him to cork because he could not be treated there, They told he was probably having a heart attack. Same thing is probably happening with other hospitals and it has to be costing lives.

    Are you having hidden agenda here now .Surely no hospital turned away a man with chest pains


  • #2367
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    cityboyjim wrote: »
    On a local note, Waterford has no 24 hour cardiac care, after hours and weekends if you have a heart attack you are sent to CUH. Other emergency procedures are also sent CUH when it comes to weekend.
    Last time I was in hospital pre-covid relative overheard a conversation in A+E where a man came in with chest pains, and they were telling the wife to drive him to cork because he could not be treated there, They told he was probably having a heart attack. Same thing is probably happening with other hospitals and it has to be costing lives.

    Are you having hidden agenda here now .Surely no hospital turned away a man with chest pains

    hidden agenda would ever feck off. Saying lack of icu beds on an already stretched system is putting more lives in danger. And yes they were telling him to go to another hospital with suspected heart attack because as I said we have no cardiac care after hours.


  • #2368
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Document back to Swine flu and it says they needed more capacity .



    We've heard of them moving ICU patients to other hospitals that are miles away due to bed issues.

    On a local note, Waterford has no 24 hour cardiac care, after hours and weekends if you have a heart attack you are sent to CUH. Other emergency procedures are also sent CUH when it comes to weekend.
    Last time I was in hospital pre-covid relative overheard a conversation in A+E where a man came in with chest pains, and they were telling the wife to drive him to cork because he could not be treated there, They told he was probably having a heart attack. Same thing is probably happening with other hospitals and it has to be costing lives.
    Moving patients around won't affect the total number of open and staffed beds. I was asking why last April we had an additional 80 open and staffed ICU beds.
    I'm guessing it's down to sick/exhausted/staff in self quarantine etc...

    Shocking to hear A&E staff turn around a heart attack patient.
    Surely they should have examined him to determine if he was actually having a heart attack and not just say probably.


  • #2369
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The tennis back on in Australia looks great. I know we can't do something similar because it's risky or something. 1000 people dead and 100,000 cases in January was obviously deemed less risky.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1355652898416373762?s=20


  • #2370
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    I think that story has been greatly embellished at best. The AED on the wall at your local GAA club has software to detect heart issues and provide shocks, but the best that trained medical staff in a fully equipped A&E department could do is say that he "probably" was having a heart attack and that they could do nothing about it?..


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  • #2371
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The tennis back on in Australia looks great. I know we can't do something similar because it's risky or something. 1000 people dead and 100,000 cases in January was obviously deemed less risky.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1355652898416373762?s=20

    You know fully well why we can't, you just like to spew it to get a response.
    There's a dedicated thread for zero covid, I'm sure you'll get a better response there.

    But very generous for Australia to allow players in from around the world while 10's of thousands of their own citizens are stranded abroad without a means (**** ton of money) to get home.


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