Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

froog · 30-01-2021 12:17AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

What is the pint in hanging hologram on? When what he is going to say, is as predictable as death and taxes? Stopped watching news and current affairs here ages ago, sane gobshotes, sane discussions, zero changes... you'd drive yourself mad ...

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FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s called tempering expectations until there is more certainty. Multiple governments were spooked by the “variants”. It’s seems the vaccines still provide protection though, so the positive messages will increase. It’s already been evident in the past couple of days to done extent

At all costs the approach taken by Ireland can’t be criticised it seems.

Unusual

30-01-2021 12:27AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

At all costs the approach taken by Ireland can’t be criticised it seems.

Unusual

The belief that it’s massively different here to many other European counties is another bizarre element on this thread

ceadaoin. · 30-01-2021 12:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A vaccine approved for use today and another game changer single shot vaccine publishing excellent results which should accelerate the return to normal, and all that you see see is certain demographics should accept their fate because...

Today is one of the most positive days since this started

Accept their fate? You mean accept the overwhelming odds of recovery? Even 80+ years people still have a bigger chance of surviving than not

gmisk · 30-01-2021 12:29AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

What is the pint in hanging hologram on? When what he is going to say, is as predictable as death and taxes? Stopped watching news and current affairs here ages ago, sane gobshotes, sane discussions, zero changes... you'd drive yourself mad ..

I think you are already there.... absolute gibberish

Lundstram · 30-01-2021 12:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The belief that it’s massively different here to many other European counties is another bizarre element on this thread

We have suffered harsher restrictions than any other EU state.

That's not a belief, it's a fact.

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The belief that it’s massively different here to many other European counties is another bizarre element on this thread

It’s really not

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) health system policy tracker states that public spaces defined as parks, restaurants, bars, cinemas, non-essential shops and services were closed in Ireland for 120 days from March 12th.

The country with the next highest number of days where public spaces were shut was Finland (74 days) followed by Slovakia (66 days) and Bulgaria and Estonia (both 65 days).

But facts don’t deter your straw man tactics

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:35AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Accept their fate? You mean accept the overwhelming odds of recovery? Even 80+ years people still have a bigger chance of surviving than not

This is perhaps the best kept secret since last March

Last I heard nursing home patients had a 75-80% survival rate

30-01-2021 12:37AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is perhaps the best kept secret since last March

Last I heard nursing home patients had a 75-80% survival rate

It’s grand then, only 20% died, what’s the problem

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s grand then, only 20% died, what’s the problem

Only 20% who had positive tests within 28 days died.

When can we have an adult discussion about death?

Do you realise life is finite?

30-01-2021 12:41AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s really not

But facts don’t deter your straw man tactics

You may have noticed I said it’s, eg it is, eg now.

And policies here were different in different areas. No curfews or no permits to leave the house for example

Kunta Kinte · 30-01-2021 12:41AM

Lundstram wrote: »

We have suffered harsher restrictions than any other EU state.

That's not a belief, it's a fact.

Past history. That hasn`t been the case for months now. Fact.

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:42AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Past history. That hasn`t been the case for months now. Fact.

Nope.

You are wrong again.

Unsurprisingly

30-01-2021 12:43AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Only 20% who had positive tests within 28 days died.

When can we have an adult discussion about death?

Do you realise life is finite?

In the euromomo mortality monitoring area there were 350,000 excess deaths in 2020. Was this a coincidence?

Kunta Kinte · 30-01-2021 12:44AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Nope.

You are wrong again.

Unsurprisingly

Evidence for this claim?

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You may have noticed I said it’s, eg it is, eg now.

And policies here were different in different areas. No curfews or no permits to leave the house for example

Now your tactic is to imply you said something you didn’t.

Bottom line is Ireland was in lockdown twice as long as most of Europe.

It’s a policy that failed

Mr. Karate · 30-01-2021 12:48AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

At all costs the approach taken by Ireland can’t be criticised it seems.

Unusual

This really has become a religion to some people at this point.

30-01-2021 12:49AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Now your tactic is to imply you said something you didn’t.

Bottom line is Ireland was in lockdown twice as long as most of Europe.

It’s a policy that failed

Ireland was never in a real lockdown and what we have today if you want to call that lockdown. has existed since Xmas and in March to may, that’s it. And today, on the roads of Ireland traffic is at massively higher numbers than in April. The L5 in Oct / Nov was nothing close to lockdown

30-01-2021 12:51AM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

This really has become a religion to some people at this point.

This thread on the other hand has taken all on all the characteristics of a cult, complete with mass delusions

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

In the euromomo mortality monitoring area there were 350,000 excess deaths in 2020. Was this a coincidence?

What does that translate to?

A 7% rise in mortality in Europe?

Has any other year seen a 7% rise in mortality rate

Arghus · 30-01-2021 12:52AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Now your tactic is to imply you said something you didn’t.

Bottom line is Ireland was in lockdown twice as long as most of Europe.

It’s a policy that failed

Failed in what sense?

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland was never in a real lockdown and what we have today if you want to call that lockdown. has existed since Xmas and in March to may, that’s it. And today, on the roads of Ireland traffic is at massively higher numbers than in April. The L5 in Oct / Nov was nothing close to lockdown

Ireland was never in lockdown because it’s a small sparsely populated area.

Regional lockdowns happened for a short time in large cities with larger populations than Ireland

I really believe some people never left Ireland

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 12:56AM

Arghus wrote: »

Failed in what sense?

We failed to protect the vulnerable

Deaths in Ireland among the over-65s were the third highest in Europe relative to population. The rate to early October in Ireland was 2,359 deaths per million. Only Belgium and England/Wales had higher rates of death

If you don’t know this stuff are you really in a position to consistently defend NPHET and those in charge

Arghus · 30-01-2021 12:59AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We failed to protect the vulnerable

If you don’t know this stuff are you really in a position to consistently defend NPHET and those in charge

So your proposal is less restrictions and less lockdown so as to better protect the vulnerable?

30-01-2021 01:04AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What does that translate to?

A 7% rise in mortality in Europe?

Has any other year seen a 7% rise in mortality rate

12.5%. Euromomo only covers part of Europe. Most states in Germany and Poland, Czech Republic and many other don’t participate. The countries that do recorded 350,000 excess deaths for 2020 and 50,000 so far in 2021. The same countries recorded 420,000 Covid deaths total. You would have us believe most of those were about to die anyway or died of something else but happened to have Covid when they died.

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 01:05AM

Arghus wrote: »

So your proposal is less restrictions and less lockdown so as to better protect the vulnerable?

No, I’m questioning the cost effectiveness of Europe’s longest lockdown when the results are visible above.

Knowing hospital transmission is responsible for a significant proportion of those in hospital with the disease, what can stay at home orders and business closures do to prevent that?

We are now one of the few EU countries to have schools and construction shut.

Europe seems to have moved on since last March, NPHET hasnt

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 01:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

12.5%. Euromomo only covers part of Europe. Most states in Germany and Poland, Czech Republic and many other don’t participate. The countries that do recorded 350,000 excess deaths for 2020 and 50,000 so far in 2021. The same countries recorded 420,000 Covid deaths total. You would have us believe most of those were about to die anyway or died of something else but happened to have Covid when they died.

I’ll check this out so thanks. Who actually does participate?

It’s impossible to make sense of this when there is just figures blurted out without comparison.

It’s similar saying Ireland had excess deaths in 2020 with no comparison to 2018.

Arghus · 30-01-2021 01:08AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No, I’m questioning the cost effectiveness of Europe’s longest lockdown when the results are visible above.

Knowing hospital transmission is responsible for a significant proportion of those in hospital with the disease, what can stay at home orders and business closures do to prevent that?

We are now one of the few EU countries to have schools and construction shut.

Europe seems to have moved on since last March, NPHET hasnt

Can you prove that the lockdown hasn't saved lives that otherwise would have been lost.

FintanMcluskey · 30-01-2021 01:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The L5 in Oct / Nov was nothing close to lockdown

I can’t understand this

Everything was shut. The guards formed a checkpoint on the M4 causing massive tailbacks to prevent non essential travel

Gyms/hairdressers/restaurants/cinema’s etc all closed.

What do you consider a lockdown?

Your front door welded shut?

Penfailed · 30-01-2021 01:12AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Nope.

You are wrong again.

Unsurprisingly

Nope.

In saying that, it depends on what metric you are using to determine severity of restrictions. There's a poster on here who considers us all to be in lockdown if restaurants are closed...

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