What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

brickster69 wrote: »

Boris will probably bring back that Internal Market Bill now.

If he has a shred of brains he won’t. This would be the time to take the high moral ground and let the EU implode.

Melanchthon wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com./australia-news/2021/jan/29/australia-in-talks-with-who-and-europe-over-certainty-of-covid-vaccine-supplies

Today is an ironic day isn't it, talk of Drug companies moving production to the US because of protectionism and article.16 being triggered not by the DUP's stupidity but by the EU (instantly too AFAIK a month long dialogue is mentioned but not required)

Then Asia
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/davos-2021-japan-korea-vaccine-nationalism-covid-19-coronavirus-eu-122117522.html?guccounter=1

Would be a bit silly to move to the US when US have already been blocking exports out of there, and UK are effectively doing it too if they won't share the AZ vaccines they're producing with the EU.

Bit cynical wrote: »

I don't think it is the case that the UK Governmeht have prohibited AZ exporting to the EU.

I felt this was as good as saying it wouldn't be allowed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-55838272

tom1ie wrote: »

Ok can someone bring me up to speed on this please, as I though AZ were in the wrong as they weren’t providing the EU with vaccines from the UK site as per the contract they signed with the EU.
However this is from what I’ve heard on RTE so there’s probably an agenda.

They certainly haven't been delivering the promised number of vaccines, but I think it's the Belgian plant output that's in dispute. Whose fault it is still seems to be in dispute, but it seems someone in the EU is so mad they've lashed out blindly by triggering article 16, which may be the bigger, more longterm issue for us.

Arlene Foster
"the European Union has once again shown it is prepared to use Northern Ireland when it suits their interests but in the most despicable manner"

She could very easily substitute European Union for Great Britain in that sentence and it would be pretty accurate over the last couple of years.

Call me Al wrote: »

Its not going to implode.

It’s a long slow process but it has been imploding for a long while now. Brexit was a disaster and the EU need to show solidarity to prevent others leaving. This is not how to do that.

tom1ie wrote: »

So is it possible the UK government has applied pressure to AZ by saying no or very little AZ vaccines are leaving the UK and that is what’s delaying the vaccine delivery for the EU?
Would that explain why the EU have triggered article 16 in retaliation?

I don't think so, though it could emerge. The EU aren't alleging that. They are not happy with AZ not delivering the amount the EU expected. AZ are countering that the contract only states "best effort" will be made and that is what they have done. EU then places control on exports of vaccines (not merely AZ).

tom1ie wrote: »

So is it possible the UK government has applied pressure to AZ by saying no or very little AZ vaccines are leaving the UK and that is what’s delaying the vaccine delivery for the EU?
Would that explain why the EU have triggered article 16 in retaliation?

Uk Has just left EU under brexit, the first crisis after that and the UK has a better plan, the EU needs to save face so no one else leaves so are doing everything to escalte and distract from EU failure

The EU had exactly the same clause in its contract about supply from its belgium factory that the UK did, if the UK factory failed the EU would not share. They are all trying to save their jobs and dont care about Ireland, NI or UK, just themselves - People can all see their true colours now

mista11 wrote: »

Uk Has just left EU under brexit, the first crisis after that and the UK has a better plan, the EU needs to save face so no one else leaves so are doing everything to escalte and distract from EU failure

The EU had exactly the same clause in its contract about supply from its belgium factory that the UK did, if the UK factory failed the EU would not share. They are all trying to save their jobs and dont care about Ireland, NI or UK, just themselves - People can all see their true colours now

5 years since joining and this is your first post? Playing the long game I see.

Bit cynical wrote: »

I don't think so, though it could emerge. The EU aren't alleging that. They are not happy with AZ not delivering the amount the EU expected. AZ are countering that the contract only states "best effort" will be made and that is what they have done. EU then places control on exports of vaccines (not merely AZ).

I heard something about the UK plants not being used to fulfill the EU order, so the EU are saying that not best effort?

This is certainly turning very very ugly and invoking Article 16 is an astonishing move. The contract (Subject to Belgium law) seems clearly to support AZ argument. The EU seems now to be acting in desperation. Shocking developments on what should be a good news day on AZ"s vaccine approval and the fact the EMA approving it for over 65"s.

Not sure what the petulant EU is playing at but this is really quite appalling.

I can see the Brits pulling the plug on the Brexit agreement over this

Some reports on the Brexit thread that the EU hasn't actually done the deed yet or are walking it back. Hopefully they see sense.

Dempo1 wrote: »

This is certainly turning very very ugly and invoking Article 16 is an astonishing move. The contract (Subject to Belgium law) seems clearly to support AZ argument. The EU seems now to be acting in desperation. Shocking developments on what should be a good news day on AZ"s vaccine approval and the fact the EMA approving it for over 65"s.

Not sure what the petulant EU is playing at but this is really quite appalling.

I can see the Brits pulling the plug on the Brexit agreement over this

Gas!

EU decision to invoke Article 16, without prior notice has managed to unite the British and Irish governments, Labour, the DUP and SDLP in disagreement with the move.