What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

Tyrone212

jackboy wrote: »

If he has a shred of brains he won’t. This would be the time to take the high moral ground and let the EU implode.

Boris and moral high ground...lol

HBC08

This will be rowed back on before the morning.

brickster69

HBC08 wrote: »

This will be rowed back on before the morning.

It's done now, 29 days is all it took.

mick087

brickster69 wrote: »

EU decision to invoke Article 16, without prior notice has managed to unite the British and Irish governments, Labour, the DUP and SDLP in disagreement with the move.

Yes i noticed this myself.

The situation is out of hand now all because the EU commission was slow off the mark to order, organise and distribute this particular batch of Vaccines.

The EU commission must think by bringing the UK, Ireland and triggering article 16 into the issue they have with AZ will some how deflect accountability from the EU commission.

Every step the EU commission is taking is a step into deeper water on this issue with this batch of vaccines.

I expect they will reverse the decision on article 16 but will they say this was a mistake to activate?

brickster69

mick087 wrote: »

Yes i noticed this myself.

The situation is out of hand now all because the EU commission was slow off the mark to order, organise and distribute this particular batch of Vaccines.

The EU commission must think by bringing the UK, Ireland and triggering article 16 into the issue they have with AZ will some how deflect accountability from the EU commission.

Every step the EU commission is taking is a step into deeper water on this issue with this batch of vaccines.

I expect they will reverse the decision on article 16 but will they say this was a mistake?

So the EU is invoking Article 16 to stop EU produced vaccines in Belgium leaving the plant on massive lorries, being driven to the coast, shipped to Ireland via lorries, driven all the way to Northern Ireland then loaded on ships and sent to the U.K.

And they were funded by the UK government with Oxford University and made by a UK company all to be sold at cost to save lives.

hmmm

Can you imagine if we weren't part of an EU-wide purchase agreement, and it was a free-for-all? We'd be close to last in line. I'm quite happy to see the EU giving vaccine suppliers a good kicking on our behalf, they should know which side their bread is buttered on.

Its amazing that anyone thinks the contract favours AZ. Its clear, the company promised 300M except for 'exceptional circumstances which aren't that you promised the other guy first. This is basic contract law. Good on the EU. Get tougher.

As for the people supporting the Brexiters here rather than the EU, you might want to think about exactly what happens if the Johnson regime steals these vaccines from us.

DraftDodger

Pathetic from the EU, absolutely pathetic. :mad:

mick087

mick087 wrote: »

Yes i noticed this myself.

The situation is out of hand now all because the EU commission was slow off the mark to order, organise and distribute this particular batch of Vaccines.

The EU ordered in August and paid the money. They are due these vaccines. The EU needs to push as hard as possible against the Johnson regime.

The pro Tories on here are a joke.

DraftDodger

DraftDodger wrote: »

Pathetic from the EU, absolutely pathetic. :mad:

What is pathetic is Irish people supporting a foreign government against the EU, which is clearly in the right here. You are supporting the right of the British to steal our vaccines.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355257712335089667

Dyr

hmmm wrote: »

Can you imagine if we weren't part of an EU-wide purchase agreement, and it was a free-for-all? We'd be close to last in line. I'm quite happy to see the EU giving vaccine suppliers a good kicking on our behalf, they should know which side their bread is buttered on.

EU pulls article 16 less than a month into Brexit and you're cheering them on

All that guff about them backing Ireland, the GFA, the peace process shown for the guff it was.

Morto for ye, morto.

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

EU pulls article 16 less than a month into Brexit and you're cheering them on

All that guff about them backing Ireland, the GFA, the peace process shown for the guff it was.

Morto for ye, morto.

Eh?

Since we are in the EU and since the vaccines are not being distributed to Northern Ireland we will do better why would anybody be morto. Why wouldn't anybody not support this. Why are you hoping more Irish people in the Republic die?

mick087

Deleted User wrote: »

Its amazing that anyone thinks the contract favours AZ. Its clear, the company promised 300M except for 'exceptional circumstances which aren't that you promised the other guy first. This is basic contract law. Good on the EU. Get tougher.

As for the people supporting the Brexiters here rather than the EU, you might want to think about exactly what happens if the Johnson regime steals these vaccines from us.

The contract will be decided in court if it goes that far.

Natterjack from Kerry

brickster69 wrote: »

EU decision to invoke Article 16, without prior notice has managed to unite the British and Irish governments, Labour, the DUP and SDLP in disagreement with the move.

The Irish govt may be in disagreement, being so hypersensitive about the border and unwilling to close it even to protect its own people as part of its virus control measure.
But Irish people themselves will support the EU and its move to close Ireland's border with the UK, on a very specific and limited issue, in order to enforce its legal agreements to the benefit of EU citizens. They expect nothing less. The EU is looking after them. The government is only posturing, but will secretly be delighted that the Commission is playing hardball on its behalf.

mick087

mick087 wrote: »

The contract will be decided in court if it goes that far.

The contract is clear. Theres no provision in any contract for first come first served.

Why do you want more people in the Republic of Ireland to die?

Just pray that your aged or vulnerable friends and relations don't catch the virus while waiting for delayed immunization because the UK diverted doses that were due to reach Ireland. The E.U. are serving the best interests of their member countries and deserve support.

Amirani

Article 16 hasn't been invoked, I'm not sure why so many people seem to think it has.

mista11

Bambi wrote: »

EU pulls article 16 less than a month into Brexit and you're cheering them on

All that guff about them backing Ireland, the GFA, the peace process shown for the guff it was.

Morto for ye, morto.

They dont care about ireland, as long as they are making money, thats clear, screwed up, cant belive how many cant see the truth in this - the UK and european manufacturing deals with astrazenca were the same - our factory our supply but the uk factory had a three month head start to sort output out - this is all eu politics trying to save itself

Natterjack from Kerry

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

The Irish govt may be in disagreement, being so hypersensitive about the border and unwilling to close it even to protect its own people as part of its virus control measure.

I agree. Screw the border. Close it.

But Irish people themselves will support the EU and its move to close Ireland's border with the UK, on a very specific and limited issue, in order to enforce its legal agreements to the benefit of EU citizens. They expect nothing less. The EU is looking after them. The government is only posturing, but will secretly be delighted that the Commission is playing hardball on its behalf.

Yes, the EU is working for EU members here which is what we are. And look at the ridiculous Irexit mouth breathers want more Irish people in the republic to die. Utterly evil buffoons.

Red Silurian

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355257712335089667

That would be good, pure ****e of the EU to play this card

mick087

Deleted User wrote: »

The EU ordered in August and paid the money. They are due these vaccines. The EU needs to push as hard as possible against the Johnson regime.

The pro Tories on here are a joke.

Why did they not order in June?

What have the British Government got to do with the way the EU commission have ordered organised and distributed this batch of vaccines?

mista11

mista11 wrote: »

They dont care about ireland, as long as they are making money, thats clear, screwed up, cant belive how many cant see the truth in this - the UK and european manufacturing deals with astrazenca were the same - our factory our supply but the uk factory had a three month head start to sort output out - this is all eu politics trying to save itself

They didn't screw up. Contract law says nothing about who signs a contract first despite what your Tory mind masters are telling you.

mista11

Deleted User wrote: »

The contract is clear. Theres no provision in any contract for first come first served.

Why do you want more people in the Republic of Ireland to die?

Take some time read the thread and the advice from the legal profession

Thats not what the contract says

mick087

mick087 wrote: »

Why did they not order in June?

What have the British Government got to do with the way the EU commission have ordered organised and distributed this batch of vaccines?

It doesn't matter in a contract when you sign the contract. Why do I have to repeat this so many times. A two year old could understand.

Why do you want more people in the Irish Republic to die?

jackboy

colmtheperson wrote: »

That would be good, pure ****e of the EU to play this card

Yes. A humiliating climb down is much better than the alternative. Barnier saying he knew nothing about it.

mista11

Deleted User wrote: »

They didn't screw up. Contract law says nothing about who signs a contract first despite what your Tory mind masters are telling you.

Its nothing to do with who signed the contract first - do some research

mista11

mista11 wrote: »

Take some time read the thread and the advice from the legal profession

Thats not what the contract says

You are saying that the contract has a first come first served clause in it? If so prove it.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't matter in a contract when you sign the contract. Why do I have to repeat this so many times. A two year old could understand.

Why do you want more people in the Irish Republic to die?

You're wasting your time.


If the EU had rushed and signed in June, the same posters would be on here criticising the EU for rushing into it and signing it too soon and explaining that the UK were able to get theirs first because they clearly took their time to negotiate the deal instead of rushing in

mista11

mista11 wrote: »

Its nothing to do with who signed the contract first - do some research

The guy I am responding to said it was, as do all the other imbeciles who say "why did they not order in June" and I was refuting that.

Once again, please enlighten me on why the UK takes priority.