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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #1862
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    Solli wrote: »
    Well with the highest death rate in the world, they certainly didn’t bother too hard with prevention of spread. They chose the medication route. Good for business.

    The world?

    I heard some dj attacking them for having the highest death rate in the EU


  • #1863
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    UK doing a wonderful job getting the vaccine out. Have to hand it to them they are leaving us in the dust.

    Andrew Bridgen MP talking a lot of sense on The Tonight Show

    I didn’t see it, but I doubt that happened.....


  • #1864
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Kingston Mills talking so much sense on the tonight show but he's been doing that since March tbh.


  • #1865
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,665 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    UK doing a wonderful job getting the vaccine out. Have to hand it to them they are leaving us in the dust.

    Andrew Bridgen MP talking a lot of sense on The Tonight Show

    Well, the families of the 104,000 who have died certainly would not be as triumphalist as Bridgen. But then it's Bridgen.


  • #1866
    hahashake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭hahashake


    Solli wrote: »
    Well with the highest death rate in the world, they certainly didn’t bother too hard with prevention of spread. They chose the medication route. Good for business.

    That would be Belgium. (Excluding San Marino and Gibraltar).

    Though I'm sure it is higher in countries with low testing.


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  • #1867
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Well, the families of the 104,000 who have died certainly would not be as triumphalist as Bridgen. But then it's Bridgen.

    How does the UK classification and reporting of covid deaths compared to the rest of the world

    Wouldn't surprise me if BJ is getting a raw deal on that one

    Worst in the world? I mean who realistically believes everyone else's numbers?


  • #1868
    Solli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Solli


    Malcomex wrote: »
    The world?

    I heard some dj attacking them for having the highest death rate in the EU

    Figures compiled by University of Oxford-based research platform Our World in Data show that no other country matches the UK’s per capita rate of deaths.
    3 days ago courtesy of https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-covid-death-rate-coronavirus-b1788817.html%3famp


  • #1869
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,665 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Malcomex wrote: »
    How does the UK classification and reporting of covid deaths compared to the rest of the world

    Wouldn't surprise me if BJ is getting a raw deal on that one

    Worst in the world? I mean who realistically believes everyone else's numbers?

    Its actually 20% higher than 104,000, but they chose to stipulate that if Covid-19 was diagnosed more than 27 days earlier in the patient, it's not officially Covid-19. Massaging of the figures.


  • #1870
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE Operations report

    1548 cases in hospital, down from 1598 last night

    ICU - 213, increase of 2.
    135 on ventilators, down 1.

    4 ICU deaths in last 24hrs


  • #1871
    forumdedum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Just watching the BBC news now. Fergus Walsh, the BBC medical correspondent talking about the UK's vaccine programme as if it was a World Cup final against the EU. Pathetic.


    Couple weeks back i was listening to some guy on BBC. The EU bashing was incredible. Over 40 years watching BBC, never heard anything like it.


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  • #1872
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    We need to massively step up our surveillance game, so we can be ahead of the curve and snub out these blasted variants before they get a chance to take hold in communities and threaten progress. A huge investment in wastewater surveillance and genomic surveillance is needed both inmedium and long-term, after this pandemic is over. Even in the short-term we could expand our wastewater surveillance, which might mean building more wastewater treatment plants. The work that SBBS has been doing has been great but it needs a full rollout.Wim Meijer is worth a follow, he releases data which charts detection of virulence in the wastewater for Covid, giving an early warning of rising cases. They report to NPHET weekly.

    In the future we should have technologies that can pinpoint disease incidence down to an eircode, but for now even a targeted regional breakdown would be of huge benefit.

    This is all contingent on incidence rates not being out ofcontrol in the wider community, it's like a warning system that identifies missiles before they hit.


  • #1873
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,316 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Malcomex wrote: »
    How does the UK classification and reporting of covid deaths compared to the rest of the world

    Wouldn't surprise me if BJ is getting a raw deal on that one

    Worst in the world? I mean who realistically believes everyone else's numbers?

    It's an undercount if anything.

    A lot of deaths outside of hospitals weren't counted in the initial period of the epidemic and the criteria they currently use to measure deaths - death within 28 days of a positive test - means those who fall outside the 28 days period aren't included in the figure. The true figure of UK deaths is undoubtedly higher.

    I don't know if they are the absolute worst in the world, but they haven't done well at all, that's for sure.


  • #1874
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Newstalk now are on about the virus uptake or rather the lack of uptake. Lot worse in deprived areas and by ethnic minorities. Social media and the accompanying dumbing down of the populace is a serious blight on society.


  • #1875
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,029 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Malcomex wrote: »
    How does the UK classification and reporting of covid deaths compared to the rest of the world

    Wouldn't surprise me if BJ is getting a raw deal on that one

    Worst in the world? I mean who realistically believes everyone else's numbers?

    UK has 3.7m confirmed cases, France has 3.1m confirmed cases. The UK has carried out almost 71m tests and France has carried out almost 43m tests. So France has carried out 60% of the tests the UK has yet has 83% the number of cases the UK has. That doesn't add up to me. I wouldnt be surprised if the French figures are a lot higher than they care to admit.

    Actually the UK has tested far more people than any other country in Europe (not including Russia).


  • #1876
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Kingston Mills talking so much sense on the tonight show but he's been doing that since March tbh.

    Can you or someone else give the gist of what he said tonight?


  • #1877
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    We need to massively step up our surveillance game, so we can be ahead of the curve and snub out these blasted variants before they get a chance to take hold in communities and threaten progress. A huge investment in wastewater surveillance and genomic surveillance is needed both inmedium and long-term, after this pandemic is over. Even in the short-term we could expand our wastewater surveillance, which might mean building more wastewater treatment plants. The work that SBBS has been doing has been great but it needs a full rollout.Wim Meijer is worth a follow, he releases data which charts detection of virulence in the wastewater for Covid, giving an early warning of rising cases. They report to NPHET weekly.

    In the future we should have technologies that can pinpoint disease incidence down to an eircode, but for now even a targeted regional breakdown would be of huge benefit.

    This is all contingent on incidence rates not being out ofcontrol in the wider community, it's like a warning system that identifies missiles before they hit.

    Stop new variants coming in seems to be the top priority now

    Governments all gearing up to quarantine arrivals from affected regions

    Too late for the 3 variants that have spread


  • #1878
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Wow

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-trials-show-experimental-novavax-coronavirus-vaccine-is-89-3-effective-12201756

    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1354901600242905088

    Let's the finger out Brussels

    The EU havent any deal for it.


  • #1879
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The EU havent any deal for it.

    Uk have 60 million on order. EU should get in for any excess ones.


  • #1880
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BoJo is open to sharing vaccines with the EU, according to reports in the Times. Personally I think he should share the UK supply only with Ireland, with the justification of needing to protect the CTA (which they have continued to recognise through this whole thing)


  • #1881
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Malcomex wrote: »
    Stop new variants coming in seems to be the top priority now

    Governments all gearing up to quarantine arrivals from affected regions

    Too late for the 3 variants that have spread

    This is where a precise Test, Trace,Isolate strategy becomes paramount. You can only achieve it if you have substantial resources to do it in all areas I.E. personnel, tools and infrastructures.


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  • #1882
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    BoJo is open to sharing vaccines with the EU, according to reports in the Times. Personally I think he should share the UK supply only with Ireland, with the justification of needing to protect the CTA (which they have continued to recognise through this whole thing)

    I wouldnt trust the english atal......sucking upto them for vaccines.

    Give them something to hang over you,and they'll use it well into the future and bojo is among the most scheming dangerous,self-serving politians to emerge in western europe in decades


  • #1883
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I wouldnt trust the english atal......sucking upto them for vaccines.

    Give them something to hang over you,and they'll use it well into the future and bojo is among the most scheming dangerous,self-serving politians to emerge in western europe in decades

    Add to that useless


  • #1884
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    This is where a precise Test, Trace,Isolate strategy becomes paramount. You can only achieve it if you have substantial resources to do it in all areas I.E. personnel, tools and infrastructures.

    I agree

    Depending totally on lockdowns and vaccines is lazy government


  • #1885
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Between AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax and Janssen, the UK have ordered 247m vaccine doses, of which 30m are Janssen, which means they can vaccinate 138.5m people with their allocation

    They will have surplus and as they are likely to be the first in Europe to complete they will likely need a home for those additional ones.


  • #1886
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    marno21 wrote: »
    Between AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax and Janssen, the UK have ordered 247m vaccine doses, of which 30m are Janssen, which means they can vaccinate 138.5m people with their allocation

    They will have surplus and as they are likely to be the first in Europe to complete they will likely need a home for those additional ones.

    And it should be poorer parts of the world that are being left behind that they give them to, not Europe.


  • #1887
    cena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,212 ✭✭✭✭cena


    Here is a question. Is it a doctor's duty to let people if there has been a breakout of covid in a small village that they live and work in?


  • #1888
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    cena wrote: »
    Here is a question. Is it a doctor's duty to let people if there has been a breakout of covid in a small village that they live and work in?

    No


  • #1889
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    And it should be poorer parts of the world that are being left behind that they give them to, not Europe.

    They will be offering us vaccines if we need them.

    They will want the CTA to have herd immunity.


  • #1890
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I wouldnt trust the english atal......sucking upto them for vaccines.

    Give them something to hang over you,and they'll use it well into the future and bojo is among the most scheming dangerous,self-serving politians to emerge in western europe in decades
    Malcomex wrote: »
    Add to that useless

    While I agree with Blaaz on first point, if they are useless what are our lot. I acknowledge the efforts of all the vaccinators. I'd have more of an issue with the pie chart.

    Also what will happen when UK fully vaccinated and we are not. Would they implement checks again from here?

    541303.jpg


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  • #1891
    Blue Badger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Blue Badger


    Random question here, but does anyone know what the reason is as to why the tracker app doesn’t show total deaths or graph them over time? It only shows confirmed numbers over time and the daily death total.

    Am I being daft and missing something in the app?

    Another thing I wondered is why they don’t showcase remaining ICU bed capacity. It’s good seeing the total ICU numbers but no context is provided.


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