Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

growleaves · 28-01-2021 12:11AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

June or July earliest for hospitality yet again

"… An' here I sit so patiently
Waiting to find out what price
You have to pay to get out of
Going through all these things twice"

- Bob Dylan

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 12:11AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The pictures of the Europeans enjoying normality in May will give us hope and lift our spirits for the last few months of lockdown

Bit like last year where pubs/restaurants were open in places like Spain and Italy whilst ours were shut until July

Mr. Karate · 28-01-2021 12:13AM

growleaves wrote: »

Austerity against a background of continued asset inflation.

€375,000 for a house in East Wall the other day

Housing supply will be even more constricted in the face of construction shutdowns.

And many TDs are landlords. I'm sure that's a coincidence. :rolleyes:

Jinglejangle69 · 28-01-2021 12:16AM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

And many TDs are landlords. I'm sure that's a coincidence. :rolleyes:

How many?

Cerveza · 28-01-2021 12:17AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How many?

Very most of them

Captain_Crash · 28-01-2021 12:19AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How many?

Couldn’t give a number from the current government but it’s never been a secret that historically a substantial number of TD’s are landlords. I’m tempted to say more than half of them but someone might be along with more accurate figures!

Graham · 28-01-2021 12:20AM

Cerveza wrote: »

Very most of them

nope

Not entirely sure how it relates to COVID restrictions though..

Cerveza · 28-01-2021 12:23AM

Graham wrote: »

nope

Not entirely sure how it relates to COVID restrictions though..

Just answering a post. Hospitality will open for you.

Mr. Karate · 28-01-2021 12:46AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

They've basically ruled it out until Summer and guaranteed summer doesn't mean May

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1354112169558888448

June or July earliest for hospitality yet again

The nerve of people wanting to enjoy the Summer. :rolleyes: Maybe if enough people start going abroad in the Summer he'll get the message to open up since people are done waiting for him.

hamburgham · 28-01-2021 12:49AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I believe Ireland is the only country in Europe to actually shut construction.

The only hope of common sense is for the TROIKA to knock on the door again.

They will eventually, but it’s better it happens now

Yes, the Germans left too soon the last time. Still work to be done on the legal profession and the insurance industry. With a bit of luck, ,they’d sort out the health service as well. No harm in dreaming.

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 12:50AM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The nerve of people wanting to enjoy the Summer. :rolleyes: Maybe if enough people start going abroad in the Summer he'll get the message to open up since people are done waiting for him.

Ah now you can't go on holidays either according to Martin

Irish people going on foreign holidays must stop, Micheál Martin insists

“The Government view is very clear, that people should not travel.”

He nonetheless said that “a significant number of people” were now travelling home from holidays that may have been booked over the Christmas period.

“That needs to stop,” Mr Martin said. “Very clearly, anyone who travels abroad like that (unnecessarily) is in breach of Level 5 restrictions, and that carries with it penalties.”

https://www.independent.ie/news/irish-people-going-on-foreign-holidays-must-stop-micheal-martin-insists-40018411.html

So no holidays but also painfully slow easing of restrictions

ypres5 · 28-01-2021 12:53AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ah now you can't go on holidays either according to Martin

Irish people going on foreign holidays must stop, Micheál Martin insists

“The Government view is very clear, that people should not travel.”

He nonetheless said that “a significant number of people” were now travelling home from holidays that may have been booked over the Christmas period.

“That needs to stop,” Mr Martin said. “Very clearly, anyone who travels abroad like that (unnecessarily) is in breach of Level 5 restrictions, and that carries with it penalties.”

https://www.independent.ie/news/irish-people-going-on-foreign-holidays-must-stop-micheal-martin-insists-40018411.html

So no holidays but also painfully slow easing of restrictions

I honestly don't see how this is ever going to end anymore we have the vaccine and yet it's still not enough and this whole new variant hysteria, which seems to have come into being all of a sudden in the past 4 weeks gives them carte blanche to drag it out endlessly. ive honestly never felt so hopeless in my life

completedit · 28-01-2021 12:55AM

I can see something nasty sizzling. I honestly think governments need to change their strategy. The old must be told to stay out of harms way and let people get back to living.

Please, can I ask. When old people continue to die after vaccination, what is stopping people from continuously saying "We need to protect the vulnerable" I don't see how logically the situation can change. Why couldn't we end up with these restrictions for much longer.

I plan to join protests if and when lockdowns continue after the current peak subsides fully. I want to work out a fully cogent and nuanced stance that supports my belief that lockdowns must end. It's not right anymore. Time is passing. A year will become a year and a half, and who knows how much longer.

What logically changes when we have the population vaccinated but people continue to die of Covid?

JRant · 28-01-2021 12:57AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I think they'll come under pressure a bit earlier this year

Still they won't open hospitality until after the June Bank Holiday

Couldn't have things open before a bank holiday

My guess is no easing of restrictions until after Easter Monday

Then conveniently a month until after the May Bank Holiday

Then another month until after the June Bank Holiday

They'll need to rename it to "The living with bank holidays plan".

Can't be letting the proles out and about enjoying themselves on a bank holiday. Sure they'll all be going around licking door handles and such.

completedit · 28-01-2021 12:59AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I honestly don't see how this is ever going to end anymore we have the vaccine and yet it's still not enough and this whole new variant hysteria, which seems to have come into being all of a sudden in the past 4 weeks gives them carte blanche to drag it out endlessly. ive honestly never felt so hopeless in my life

Exactly.

The Vaccinations were supposed to be the saving grace but the mood has worsened since they were announced. Scare mongering over mutated viruses even though there is no evidence that it is more deadly. I did hear an important point though; more interaction does increase possibility of virus mutating into one that vaccines would be ineffective against, which does support the policy of estricted movements.

I want reality and fairness to prevail, not bull**** emotive pandering like what prime time did with the victims of Covid last night. That was grossly out of line. We don't do it every day of the week for the people who die of other causes, so why do it with corona beggars belief.

We need and demand debate. I'm sick of the pandeting to the health care system. They do excellent work but that is their job. I am thankful that people have the altruism and work ethic and bravery to put themselves in such a situation but the purpose of the health care system is to be a line of defence and allow our society to function. The system sof a country should serve the citizens and allow them to live with freedom. Not the other way around.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I am not anti lockdown. I just want fairness and less bull**** and hysterics from RTE. I want important conversations about mental health and outcomes, not empty platitudes. I want discussions over how we view death as a society. How we view Government overreach. How we view our responsibilities and rights as citizens. These are important questions that barely feature in the Covid debate.

I am angry with the amount of nonsense being spouted. I am angry that life as we knew it is being treated like this taboo thing. I am annoyed that people feigning sympathy who can't see the woods from the trees and don't want to. I am annoyed by people so entrenched in their position that they dismiss anyone who has an issue with how the situation is developing.

*Needed to blow off some steam there* Major rant but in general captures my general mood. I accept we have seen our health care system reach a very critical point by all accounts. I accept that deaths are absolutely quite high. I accept that we all have old ones who we love who may be at risk and its our duty to help them the way we can.

I propose that Christmas wasn't a proper test of the system we should be running. I will look up the median deaths of the deceased since January but I assume its 83 as reported by the CSO earlier. These people should not have seen anyone in that period. The elderly should now be told to hibernate until vaccines are released. We should advice that they do not see anyone. This is what they should be doing anyway. If an elderly person wants to flout the rules, then that's their personal right to take that risk.

Captain_Crash · 28-01-2021 01:00AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I honestly don't see how this is ever going to end anymore we have the vaccine and yet it's still not enough and this whole new variant hysteria, which seems to have come into being all of a sudden in the past 4 weeks gives them carte blanche to drag it out endlessly. ive honestly never felt so hopeless in my life

I’ve been quite open about this but my view is that this government will not willingly remove restrictions! They may sell us levels of this and that but complete removal will not happen under this current government!

It will be one of public unrest (unlikely) general election and SF correctly gauging the mood (maybe) or Europe getting on with it and us being pressured to follow (probable).... either way, I didn’t see it happening with the current government

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 01:03AM

JRant wrote: »

They'll need to rename it to "The living with bank holidays plan".

Can't be letting the proles out and about enjoying themselves on a bank holiday. Sure they'll all be going around licking door handles and such.

Well we were only open for 1 bank holiday in 2020 and that was August

Even then 'wet pubs' weren't open

Easing of restrictions just so happened to fall after bank holidays

Can't see them changing tack this year

Jinglejangle69 · 28-01-2021 01:03AM

Cerveza wrote: »

Very most of them

Wrong.

Jinglejangle69 · 28-01-2021 01:03AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Couldn’t give a number from the current government but it’s never been a secret that historically a substantial number of TD’s are landlords. I’m tempted to say more than half of them but someone might be along with more accurate figures!

Wrong again.

Captain_Crash · 28-01-2021 01:05AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Wrong again.

Can you provide numbers? Or any evidence showing that? I don’t know specific data but will happily take yours on board

beauf · 28-01-2021 01:06AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Can you provide numbers? Or any evidence showing that? I don’t know specific data but will happily take yours on board

Can you...

ypres5 · 28-01-2021 01:07AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve been quite open about this but my view is that this government will not willingly remove restrictions! They may sell us levels of this and that but complete removal will not happen under this current government!

It will be one of public unrest (unlikely) general election and SF correctly gauging the mood (maybe) or Europe getting on with it and us being pressured to follow (probable).... either way, I didn’t see it happening with the current government

Wouldn't hold my breath for sf, mary lou was on saying the current restrictions on travel arent strict enough so the only thing likely to change under a sf government is the installation of anti aircraft guns at Dublin airport

Jinglejangle69 · 28-01-2021 01:08AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Can you provide numbers? Or any evidence showing that? I don’t know specific data but will happily take yours on board

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/12/07/news/politics/landlord-tds-housing-homeless/amp

Amazing how Jacinta from down the road and Facebook gets away with brainwashing and fake news.

All relates to how people vote.

Fake news i think someone once said.

Opposition parties are having a field day on lies and propaganda.

Captain_Crash · 28-01-2021 01:11AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/12/07/news/politics/landlord-tds-housing-homeless/amp

Amazing how Jacinta from down the road and Facebook gets away with brainwashing and fake news.

All relates to how people vote.

Fake news i think someone once said.

There we go! 1 in 4! Not as high as I predicted, but still what some may consider substantial, I know I do! I’d hardly say I was wrong

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 01:11AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Can you provide numbers? Or any evidence showing that? I don’t know specific data but will happily take yours on board

This was before the last election

In the 2019 Dail Members’ Register of Interests, it was found that one in four TDs are landlords — including four members of the cabinet and five Ministers of State.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/generalelection2020/election-2020-which-outgoing-tds-are-landlords/ar-BBZvCLl?li=BBYWOhX

Mr. Karate · 28-01-2021 01:12AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ah now you can't go on holidays either according to Martin

Irish people going on foreign holidays must stop, Micheál Martin insists

“The Government view is very clear, that people should not travel.”

He nonetheless said that “a significant number of people” were now travelling home from holidays that may have been booked over the Christmas period.

“That needs to stop,” Mr Martin said. “Very clearly, anyone who travels abroad like that (unnecessarily) is in breach of Level 5 restrictions, and that carries with it penalties.”

https://www.independent.ie/news/irish-people-going-on-foreign-holidays-must-stop-micheal-martin-insists-40018411.html

So no holidays but also painfully slow easing of restrictions

If its safe enough for him to travel in March then it will be safe enough for the rest of us to travel during the Summer. He either needs to start leading by example and stay home or piss off.

Jinglejangle69 · 28-01-2021 01:12AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

There we go! 1 in 4! Not as high as I predicted, but still what some may consider substantial, I know I do! I’d hardly say I was wrong

Yeah not far off your 1 in 2 guess.

So close eh!!

EDIT Sorry its more.

It's 1 in 5.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20467178.html?type=amp

‘Conflict of interest’ as one in five TDs are landlords

beauf · 28-01-2021 01:14AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve been quite open about this but my view is that this government will not willingly remove restrictions! They may sell us levels of this and that but complete removal will not happen under this current government!

It will be one of public unrest (unlikely) general election and SF correctly gauging the mood (maybe) or Europe getting on with it and us being pressured to follow (probable).... either way, I didn’t see it happening with the current government

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-is-the-richest-political-party-in-ireland-1.4193124

What mood would that be...

Mary Lou wants tougher travel restrictions. So is she wrong, or has she accurately got her finger on the consensus of opinion as you implied.

Captain_Crash · 28-01-2021 01:14AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah not far off your 1 in 2 spoof.

So close eh!!

Jesus.

To be fair, I did say it was a substantial number and although subjective, many would agree it is... and that my thoughts on it being half was a guess!

But sure using your spoofer logic I’m sure you agree NPHET/government/RTE/Lee ect are spoofers too, considering the untold number of deaths they predicted was way more out of kilter yeah?

beauf · 28-01-2021 01:16AM

Cerveza wrote: »

Very most of them

Captain_Crash wrote: »

.... ...I’m tempted to say more than half of them ...

This thread is full of such facts....

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