Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

TobyHolmes wrote: »

Yes! what are our options though re emigrating - where is the best place to go right now

Plenty of places. It is the crazy stuff from people and politicians which is the issue.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I supported the lock down post Christmas. There was a need and we are seeing the results.

However the narrative in recent days is nuts. No other country in the world is encouraging more restrictions. Rather than looking for hope they are seeking despair.

Anyway - anyway one else consider emigrating?

Alot of young folk (including myself) should/will get the fook out of here as soon as we can move around again.

TobyHolmes wrote: »

i suppose where u thinking though? EU, Scandinavia, US?

Europe for the moment. Greek islands.

Seriously - policy being made on the basis of 400 people....

https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1354522578514227203?s=21

beauf wrote: »

...economically speaking...

This thread is about economics not health. Since the argument is let the fittest survive and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Out of interest, where were you ...well...every other year of your life when diseases (particularly infectious respiratory diseases) were being spread through communities and killing people?

If it was acceptable to you that the death of at least some people, and indeed the risk that you would pass or participate in the passing of infectious illness, were acceptable prices to pay for you to enjoy your everyday freedoms — then surely you have also been an advocate of ‘needs of many trump needs of few’. Just because you maybe weren’t conscious of it doesn’t make it any less true.

The black and white moral absolutism needs to stop. Most people here, on the various sides of the argument, generally want what is best for our people. Nobody here has a monopoly on divine perfect righteousness — you included.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I was there in 2018 and loved it. Had a blast. Plus its so much cheaper than here. Ireland makes NY looks cheap now and it will no doubt get much worse when the taxes for these lockdowns inevitably set in.

That's the least of our worries, the EU is covering a lot of it, that plus the tiny interest rates mean borrowings will be cheap. We have always borrowed and repaid, borrowed again, now is a great time to do this. Fear not.

But I can see the frustration of younger people, and although I'm a bit older now, I totally understand the mentality of those who want to escape. But the grass often LOOKS greener elsewhere. However best of luck whatever you decide.

Dr. Em wrote: »

The Netherlands, the UK, Portugal, Hong Kong have all tightened restrictions recently, among other countries. I'm not sure why there is a narrative that life is so much worse here.

and the weather in Ireland is crap

Dr. Em wrote: »

The Netherlands, the UK, Portugal, Hong Kong have all tightened restrictions recently, among other countries. I'm not sure why there is a narrative that life is so much worse here.

Those countries are increasing restrictions because their numbers are going up. Grand. Understandable.

We are increasing restrictions as our numbers are coming sharply down with a largely compliant society.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

That's the least of our worries, the EU is covering a lot of it, that plus the tiny interest rates mean borrowings will be cheap. We have always borrowed and repaid, borrowed again, now is a great time to do this. Fear not.

Even the EU will run out of money at some point. Both Martin/Varadkar and the EU are ridiculous and stupid if they think they can keep this up forever. Eventually this debt will have to be paid.

But I can see the frustration of younger people, and although I'm a bit older now, I totally understand the mentality of those who want to escape. But the grass often LOOKS greener elsewhere. However best of luck whatever you decide.

Thanks. Its not a decision I'm going to make lightly, but unless things change here very quickly I'll have to. No sense staying here if I can't get work, things keep getting more and more expensive and the Govt keeps doubling down on this endless lockdowns and destroying the economy even more.

Good result tonight Lundstram. Presuming you are a Sheff Utd fan

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Those countries are increasing restrictions because there numbers are going up. Grand. Understandable.

We are increasing restrictions as our numbers are coming sharply down with a largely compliant society.

Because we are and always have been a nanny state.

Maybe I'm spending too much time cooped up in my house wfh and seeing nobody but I am now starting to get very seriously worried. Not about Covid. That will ebb and flow and will eventually either be defeated or burn itself into something we can live with. What worries me is the off the richter scale hysteria of the Irish response. We shouldn't be in the least surprised at the latest round of scapegoating, overreacting and apocalyptic predictions. How many times have we said here that back last summer when Covid was seasonally virtually nonexistent you had RTE indulging in non stop hysteria and scare mongering and NPHET at their "seriously concerned" and "the next two weeks will be critical." So we shouldn't be surprised at the reaction now that things are a lot more serious.

But there is zero balance, zero regard to the massive collateral damage, the increasing psychological problems, the people enduring domestic abuse, the parents trying to cope with special needs children, the naked despair of so many at this point. Zero real concern apart from the odd platitude. Meanwhile keep on with that massive sledgehammer to crack the nut!

So I really am scared now as to how we will endure life here if another variant emerges and or the vaccines aren't effective. I can well understand how the young want to escape and another brain drain is coming, make no doubt. We have always reared and educated our young for the boat. And people will say there's no where for them to go, I wouldn't be too sure. Emigrating is in the Irish DNA, we're very good at it.

So if the vaccine is not very effective and numbers don't go down and stay down god only knows how bad life will get here and for how long.

acequion wrote: »

Because we are and always have been a nanny state.

Maybe I'm spending too much time cooped up in my house wfh and seeing nobody but I am now starting to get very seriously worried. Not about Covid. That will ebb and flow and will eventually either be defeated or burn itself into something we can live with. What worries me is the off the richter scale hysteria of the Irish response. We shouldn't be in the least surprised at the latest round of scapegoating, overreacting and apocalyptic predictions. How many times have we said here that back last summer when Covid was seasonally virtually nonexistent you had RTE indulging in non stop hysteria and scare mongering and NPHET at their "seriously concerned" and "the next two weeks will be critical." So we shouldn't be surprised at the reaction now that things are a lot more serious.

But there is zero balance, zero regard to the massive collateral damage, the increasing psychological problems, the people enduring domestic abuse, the parents trying to cope with special needs children, the naked despair of so many at this point. Zero real concern apart from the odd platitude. Meanwhile keep on with that massive sledgehammer to crack the nut!

So I really am scared now as to how we will endure life here if another variant emerges and or the vaccines aren't effective. I can well understand how the young want to escape and another brain drain is coming, make no doubt. We have always reared and educated our young for the boat. And people will say there's no where for them to go, I wouldn't be too sure. Emigrating is in the Irish DNA, we're very good at it.

So if the vaccine is not very effective and numbers don't go down and stay down god only knows how bad life will get here and for how long.

very well said and I didnt know what word to use to describe it but nanny state sounds very apt

TobyHolmes wrote: »

US and Canada just have curfews

Have friends in Canada their restaurants and gyms are open and their province only had one case in the last two weeks I think. It’s honestly depressing when comparing it to Ireland.