Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

lulublue22 · 27-01-2021 08:18PM

mosii wrote: »

I wont ,I just cant believe it.

If you don’t nothing will change - teachers / schools can complain till the cows come home it will make no difference. If enough parents complain it actually might.

alroley · 27-01-2021 08:18PM

mosii wrote: »

Wife just got tx from secondary school,online classes wont happen next monday, teacher training day ,wtf....

We have to do them.

Literally every single teacher would rather spend the day teaching.

wirelessdude01 · 27-01-2021 08:19PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah seems mad

"
Out of just five teachers contacted this morning, two agreed to go provide in-home tuition.

One teacher said, in doing so, they wear a mask and ask the pupils to do the same.

Meanwhile another was willing to travel beyond their 5km limit to tutor.

The station has also learned that a third teacher spent two hours in a family home yesterday to tutor children while the schools are closed."

https://www.newstalk.com/news/union-issues-warning-to-teachers-after-some-found-offering-in-person-grinds-1141404

Now i'm probably harsh in saying this but that kinda conduct should land them infront of the TC. Stupidity of the highest order.

Guessing that Newstalk are hinting that money was included in the transactions.

mosii · 27-01-2021 08:20PM

alroley wrote: »

We have to do them.

Literally every single teacher would rather spend the day teaching.

Fair enough. Systemic failure so.:(

Theboinkmaster · 27-01-2021 08:22PM

Murple wrote: »

Meant to open 6th of January which is 3 weeks ago not nearly 4 weeks.
‘Special needs educators’ is a very broad group of people. The ‘special needs educators’ or SET as they are called in my school are all working every day supporting the pupils on their caseload. They are doing 1:1 Zoom calls with children, phoning and emailing parents, setting and responding to activities set on our online learning platform and working with class teachers on differentiated lessons. So yes getting paid and working.
Also crèches have been allowed to open for limited numbers of children. Not all crèches have reopened either. It isn’t full opening at all. Many have greatly reduced numbers of children and staff. Even with that, quite a number have been closed by the HSE due to COVID outbreaks.
As for a ‘special needs educator’ being less at risk as they only have 1-3 in the room, that comment shows how little you know about special education settings. Special classes attached to a mainstream school can have 6 pupils and 3 adults in them. Others will have 8-10 pupils and 2 adults. A class in a special school can have similar numbers but possibly more adults, so maybe 12 children and 3-4 adults. In some of these schools, the pupils can be up to 18 years old but it’s within the primary system.
In a mainstream primary, a SET may have a withdrawal group of 4-6 at a time, or work 1:1 or in a small group but that is each half hour do over the course of the day, they are working with maybe 15-20+ children from a number of different classes. This is just an example of some settings. There are many more.
Many educators and SNA are calling to houses and dropping in resources for the children they work with. However, to prevent regression, what many of the children need is OT, SLT and physiotherapy and these services have in many cases been severely curtailed or stopped since last March.

Thank you for that detail but on your first point - what does it matter. It’s been 3 weeks but they won’t be back by next Wednesday so it is going to be 4 weeks.

The government and teacher unions have had 4 weeks to get their **** together and they haven’t.

Disgraceful.

am_zarathustra · 27-01-2021 08:22PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Ah I’ve heard it all now - you will literally use any excuse not to get teachers back to work.

What insurance issues exactly?!

Your car insurance does not cover accidents if you are using your car to move between workplaces.....this is a completely common clause in insurance. Teachers who superintend for the LC have to get extra insurance to bring exams too and from post offices or garda stations etc. Many get their insurance through cornmarket as all these policies have this clause in already

Also someone house is not a workplace so insurance from the school doesn't cover accidents etc. All of this information is fairly readily available, why would anyone be lying about this?

Now don't open the can of worms of having kids in the car........

KrustyUCC · 27-01-2021 08:24PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Now i'm probably harsh in saying this but that kinda conduct should land them infront of the TC. Stupidity of the highest order.

Guessing that Newstalk are hinting that money was included in the transactions.

Yes that's the heavy hint alright

TBF very very small minority of teachers

wirelessdude01 · 27-01-2021 08:26PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes that's the heavy hint alright

TBF very very small minority of teachers

I don't care whether it is just one teacher. It shouldn't be happening.

Theboinkmaster · 27-01-2021 08:27PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Your car insurance does not cover accidents if you are using your car to move between workplaces.....this is a completely common clause in insurance....

I’m referring to my own school whereby most special needs students have 1 on 1 dedicated SNA. So I’m suggesting that SNA drives from their home to student and then drives home again. No insurance issues and not visiting 15+ homes like another poster suggested.

billy_beckham · 27-01-2021 08:29PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Finally some acknowledgement that we are actually doing our job. Great to hear it on the airwaves!!!!

nah that wasn't said on the airwaves...

Theboinkmaster · 27-01-2021 08:29PM

Does anyone know

- how many special needs students are in Ireland
- how many special needs teachers/assistants are in Ireland

billy_beckham · 27-01-2021 08:30PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

That level of stupidity is mind boggling - selective following of the rules and or feeling the rules don’t apply to us is what has us in this position in the first place. Who wants random people coming in and out of their house ��

So its the parents to blame??

lulublue22 · 27-01-2021 08:30PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I’m referring to my own school whereby most special needs students have 1 on 1 dedicated SNA. So I’m suggesting that SNA drives from their home to student and then drives home again. No insurance issues and not visiting 15+ homes like another poster suggested.

The vast majority of SNA’s don’t work on a 1:1 basis - they would not have anywhere near the same number as a SET teacher but vast majority are not 1:1

lulublue22 · 27-01-2021 08:31PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

So its the parents to blame??

Blame who ever you like ????????

khalessi · 27-01-2021 08:32PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I’m referring to my own school whereby most special needs students have 1 on 1 dedicated SNA. So I’m suggesting that SNA drives from their home to student and then drives home again. No insurance issues and not visiting 15+ homes like another poster suggested.

Not a goer from H&S perspective, ridiculous to even suggest it

am_zarathustra · 27-01-2021 08:34PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I’m referring to my own school whereby most special needs students have 1 on 1 dedicated SNA. So I’m suggesting that SNA drives from their home to student and then drives home again. No insurance issues and not visiting 15+ homes like another poster suggested.

Insurance doesn't cover this. You are covered going to and from your normal workplace. Someone's house is not your normal eorkplace.I don't make the rules or regulations in insurance but that's what they are. You'd need business cover or the cove I described above. You can again look this up if you want. This is before you have to deal with the issue of being in homeones home working......that requires another set of insurance depending on the home.

You can look all this up, it's publicly available but with that kind of slap dash, bandaid approach to this very complex situation you could work for Norma and department

Theboinkmaster · 27-01-2021 08:35PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

The vast majority of SNA’s don’t work on a 1:1 basis - they would not have anywhere near the same number as a SET teacher but vast majority are not 1:1

Is there public data for this I wonder? I queried how many there are say there are 30k students and 10k SET teachers - why not just pick the 10k youngest/most vulnerable of those and delicate all 10k teachers to them in their homes? Even just vaccinate those 10k SET teachers.

It’s at least something....it amazing what willpower will do and there has appeared to be zero the past 3 weeks from all sides and who can other European countries do it.

Again - it’s disgraceful that the most vulnerable in our country have to suffer like this.

am_zarathustra · 27-01-2021 08:37PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

The vast majority of SNA’s don’t work on a 1:1 basis - they would not have anywhere near the same number as a SET teacher but vast majority are not 1:1

I was thinking that exactly......with the new allocation model hardly any student has a dedicated SNA, now I have my own feelings about this model but that's a different thread for a different day

Theboinkmaster · 27-01-2021 08:39PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Insurance doesn't cover this. You are covered going to and from your normal workplace. Someone's house is not your normal eorkplace.I don't make the rules or regulations in insurance but that's what they are. You'd need business cover or the cove I described above

Utter rubbish to suggest a teacher cannot drive from their home to a students home without invalidating their motor insurance. Rubbish.

And even if it was why not just get quick short term insurance policy - government could Organise and pay for?

But no why bother, just any excuse not to fix the problem.

khalessi · 27-01-2021 08:40PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Is there public data for this I wonder? I queried how many there are say there are 30k students and 10k SET teachers - why not just pick the 10k youngest/most vulnerable of those and delicate all 10k teachers to them in their homes? Even just vaccinate those 10k SET teachers.

It’s at least something....it amazing what willpower will do and there has appeared to be zero the past 3 weeks from all sides and who can other European countries do it.

Again - it’s disgraceful that the most vulnerable in our country have to suffer like this.

SNAs in my school are working everyday with their allocated students. I love how we are told maintain sding, stay at home but sure its grand to send an SNA to someones home, daft aside from the car insurance issue

wirelessdude01 · 27-01-2021 08:40PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Is there public data for this I wonder? I queried how many there are say there are 30k students and 10k SET teachers - why not just pick the 10k youngest/most vulnerable of those and delicate all 10k teachers to them in their homes? Even just vaccinate those 10k SET teachers.

It’s at least something....it amazing what willpower will do and there has appeared to be zero the past 3 weeks from all sides and who can other European countries do it.

Again - it’s disgraceful that the most vulnerable in our country have to suffer like this.

Write to your local TD with all your suggestions and see do they even take the time to respond to you in any meaningful way.

lulublue22 · 27-01-2021 08:41PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Utter rubbish to suggest a teacher cannot drive from their home to a students home without invalidating their motor insurance. Rubbish.

And even if it was why not just get quick short term insurance policy - government could Organise and pay for?

But no why bother, just any excuse not to fix the problem.

Since you are convinced you are in the right - email Norma with your suggestions.

wirelessdude01 · 27-01-2021 08:42PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Utter rubbish to suggest a teacher cannot drive from their home to a students home without invalidating their motor insurance. Rubbish.

And even if it was why not just get quick short term insurance policy - government could Organise and pay for?

But no why bother, just any excuse not to fix the problem.

HAHAHAHA.

Right let us all draft that email to Norma asking can they pay for our insurance upgrade to pacify 'Theboinkmaster' on boards.
Norma is so traditional she might misunderstand it and think we are talking about some sort of sex act!!!!!!!

Theboinkmaster · 27-01-2021 08:46PM

Have you noticed you all spend time on here defending why you’re not in school? No out of the box thinking, constructive discussion or suggestions on how to get back to school for special needs ASAP.

And nobody has confirmed why other European countries have their special needs kids in school but Ireland does not?

It just appears to me that unions and some teachers just don’t want to go back to work, whilst they can sit at home on full pay. Yes some work lots, others do not.

That’s just my opinion.

3 weeks at this and still not return date for special needs.

Proud moment for our country.

downthemiddle · 27-01-2021 08:48PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Utter rubbish to suggest a teacher cannot drive from their home to a students home without invalidating their motor insurance. Rubbish.

And even if it was why not just get quick short term insurance policy - government could Organise and pay for?

But no why bother, just any excuse not to fix the problem.

I love the way teachers are now responsible for the behaviour of the insurance companies. Is there anything else you would like to blame them for when you're at it?

khalessi · 27-01-2021 08:48PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Have you noticed you all spend time on here defending why you’re not in school? No out of the box thinking, constructive discussion or suggestions on how to get back to school for special needs ASAP.

And nobody has confirmed why other European countries have their special needs kids in school but Ireland does not?

It just appears to me that unions and some teachers just don’t want to go back to work, whilst they can sit at home on full pay. Yes some work lots, others do not.

That’s just my opinion.

3 weeks at this and still not return date for special needs.

Proud moment for our country.

No they spend all their time dealing with idiotic suggestions from people who dont know how education works but like the sound of their own voice.

Not every European country has special needs schools open imagine not reopening schools in a pandemic go figure.

TTLF · 27-01-2021 08:49PM

I know my school was going to have those in-service days, if I recall, one was scheduled on the calendar for February but it seems to have disappeared from the calendar now... I think one was scheduled for either November or January but that's been moved to late March, and instead of the typical 2 a year, there's only 1 now.

odd..

I think my GF's school has had about 3 at this point :pac:

wirelessdude01 · 27-01-2021 08:49PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Have you noticed you all spend time on here defending why you’re not in school? No out of the box thinking, constructive discussion or suggestions on how to get back to school for special needs ASAP.

And nobody has confirmed why other European countries have their special needs kids in school but Ireland does not?

It just appears to me that unions and some teachers just don’t want to go back to work, whilst they can sit at home on full pay. Yes some work lots, others do not.

That’s just my opinion.

3 weeks at this and still not return date for special needs.

Proud moment for our country.

Email the politicians with your suggestions and see do they bother taking the time to reply to you.

We are only the worker bees.

khalessi · 27-01-2021 08:49PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

I love the way teachers are now responsible for the behaviour of the insurance companies. Is there anything else you would like to blame them for when you're at it?

THat damn pandemic, obviously caused by teachers who didnt want to work and then doubled down by ensuring insurance companies would not insure them travelling house to house.

wirelessdude01 · 27-01-2021 08:52PM

khalessi wrote: »

THat damn pandemic, obviously caused by teachers who didnt want to work and then doubled down by ensuring insurance companies would not insure them travelling house to house.

Yeah those pesky teachers who, what was it we were said to be doing?

Ohh yeah now I remember, drinking wine, gossiping and having lots of affairs.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01