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Wifi mesh systems

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Hi - hoping someone can help. I have VF broadband, wired from the router to Ubiquiti Networks UBI-UAP-AC-PRO 24/5Ghz 450/1300Mbps 122m.

    Issue I am trying to solve is weak signal at the back of house. The Ubiquiti is on the front wall, near the ceiling. Old house, solid walls.

    I know mesh is not the right answer, but we're about 12 months from a re-wire, so am looking for some kind of stop-gap solution to get better signal into the back bedroom for schooling from home.

    Any thoughts?

    Why is mesh not the answer?

    If you've decided against mesh and you are rewiring in 12 months... why don't you just run a data cable to the back of the house?

    Personally, I'd look into mesh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    Get mesh with LAN port and cable it in 12 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Are you double NATting or have you an IPV4 or IPV6 IP address? Need more info on your setup, provider etc

    No, I don't think I'm double NATing as I ran a Trace Route I got the following which I understand means I'm not double NATing?

    4K7nSJP.jpg

    I'm on a home office business package with Virgin so I have 5 static IP addresses.

    The TT Mesh router is set up using one of the static IP addresses and the gateway address (which is the same as the IP address I use to access the Virgin Modem) is using another of the static IP addresses which I guess explains why the default modem mode 192.168.100.1 IP address and default router mode 192.168.0.1 IP address for Virgin don't work?

    When I enter the static IP address used as the gateway address on the TT router I can access the Virgin Cisco Modem and these are screenshots of the settings:-

    VM-2.jpg

    VM-3.jpg

    VM-4.jpg

    VM-5.jpg

    VM-6.jpg

    Apologies for the long post but as I don't know that much about the subject matter I thought I should provide as much info as possible :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Damien360 wrote: »
    Edit that and remove your IP addresses. You need to port forward for the IP of the PC on your network not the external IP. I did it with mine so I reserved an IP on network for the PC in question(192.168.....) and then port forwarded to that IP both UDP and TCP.

    Hi Damien360, my bad!! I edited my original post, would you mind editing your quotation of my original also?

    Apologies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,135 ✭✭✭Damien360


    54and56 wrote: »
    Hi Damien360, my bad!! I edited my original post, would you mind editing your quotation of my original also?

    Apologies.

    Done


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Get mesh with LAN port and cable it in 12 months.

    Hi. Thanks for the reply.

    I got advice here before that said mesh is not the solution, but I suppose I'm looking for a short/immediate solution, so different situation.

    Can u explain what you mean by the above? I think you mean run a lan cable from the Ubiquiti to another more "visible" position to the dark spot in the house. Is that right? And plug that into another router. Is that right?

    What mode would I put the additional router in if I was to do this? Is it bridge mode or something? I have a few half decent routers somewhere so hoping this is the solution.
    Thanks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    Hi. Thanks for the reply.

    I got advice here before that said mesh is not the solution, but I suppose I'm looking for a short/immediate solution, so different situation.

    Can u explain what you mean by the above? I think you mean run a lan cable from the Ubiquiti to another more "visible" position to the dark spot in the house. Is that right? And plug that into another router. Is that right?

    What mode would I put the additional router in if I was to do this? Is it bridge mode or something? U have a few half decent routers somewhere so hoping this is the solution.
    Thanks!

    Since you have a Ubiquiti already, get a second and cable to it but you are reluctant to run a cable.
    Or
    Go with a mesh system instead until you get your cable, then sell it later

    At the moment you are half invested in a Ubiquiti AP setup, which is grand but you need more for coverage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Since you have a Ubiquiti already, get a second and cable to it but you are reluctant to run a cable.
    Or
    Go with a mesh system instead until you get your cable, then sell it later

    At the moment you are half invested in a Ubiquiti AP setup, which is grand but you need more for coverage

    Any suggestions for mesh system? I dont want to break the bank. To keep it simple I coukd probably have it on another network than the Ubiquiti....ie the base unti direct into the router and doing dhcp etc, and one or two other units to spread the signal up to the back of the house. Does that sound right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    Any suggestions for mesh system? I dont want to break the bank. To keep it simple I coukd probably have it on another network than the Ubiquiti....ie the base unti direct into the router and doing dhcp etc, and one or two other units to spread the signal up to the back of the house. Does that sound right?

    People on here have a lot of success with the tp link deco systems, cheap and cheerful. Get a 3 pack of mesh remove the Ubiquiti and sell it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    People on here have a lot of success with the tp link deco systems, cheap and cheerful. Get a 3 pack of mesh remove the Ubiquiti and sell it!

    Thanks, sounds good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    People on here have a lot of success with the tp link deco systems, cheap and cheerful. Get a 3 pack of mesh remove the Ubiquiti and sell it!

    Jist checked and the VF router is doing the networking, the amp and printer are plugged into that.

    Would something like this do the job?

    https://www.komplett.ie/TP-Link-Deco-M5-Multiroom-Wifi-System-Triple-Pack/80048078/product?channable=0095cb696400383030343830373803&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_term=&from=kelkoo&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoa3Tl6K47gIVDtayCh0N0gVWEAQYCSABEgKq7_D_BwE

    Just checked, the M9 looks the job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭babelfish1990


    Any suggestions for mesh system? I dont want to break the bank. To keep it simple I coukd probably have it on another network than the Ubiquiti....ie the base unti direct into the router and doing dhcp etc, and one or two other units to spread the signal up to the back of the house. Does that sound right?

    Ubiquiti Unifi is a very high quality Mesh WiFi system! You can add additional Unifi APs to cover everywhere in your house. However, Unifi requires wiring to link the APs, whereas some other Mesh systems such as TP-Link Deco have the option of WiFi backhaul between APs.

    If you are planning to wire ultimately, Unifi would be the perfect end-game solution. Perhaps you could run some temporary wires in the meantime? If not, you may need to consider an alternative Mesh system with WiFi backhaul.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey



    Yep, look good, they've been recommended in here a few times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Damien360 wrote: »
    You need to port forward for the IP of the PC on your network not the external IP. I did it with mine so I reserved an IP on network for the PC in question(192.168.....) and then port forwarded to that IP both UDP and TCP.

    Hi Damien360,

    The way the TaoTronics Mesh Admin app works is:-

    - Select the "Host" PC - I selected the PC which will host the Minecraft server.
    - Choose the protocol type (TCP&UDP, TCP or UDP) - I chose TCP&UDP
    - Common Protocol (TELNET, DNS, HTTP or FTP) - I chose none of these as all they do is populate the following port info with 53 for DNS, 80 for HTTP etc
    - Start external port - 25565
    - End external port - 25565
    - Start internal port - 25565
    - End internal port - 25565

    By manually entering 25565 in the port sections the "Common Protocol" turns to "Custom".

    Does it look like I'm correctly port forwarding the IP of the host PC from the above?

    If so and the port remains closed is it likely there is another setting I need to amend on the Virgin Modem by any chance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Any suggestions for mesh system? I dont want to break the bank. To keep it simple I coukd probably have it on another network than the Ubiquiti....ie the base unti direct into the router and doing dhcp etc, and one or two other units to spread the signal up to the back of the house. Does that sound right?

    You can make a mesh with another unifi access point , wireless uplink they call it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    Cyrus wrote: »
    You can make a mesh with another unifi access point , wireless uplink they call it

    Isn't that just a repeater not mesh. You definitely don't want a repeater


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,135 ✭✭✭Damien360


    54and56 wrote: »
    Hi Damien360,

    The way the TaoTronics Mesh Admin app works is:-

    - Select the "Host" PC - I selected the PC which will host the Minecraft server.
    - Choose the protocol type (TCP&UDP, TCP or UDP) - I chose TCP&UDP
    - Common Protocol (TELNET, DNS, HTTP or FTP) - I chose none of these as all they do is populate the following port info with 53 for DNS, 80 for HTTP etc
    - Start external port - 25565
    - End external port - 25565
    - Start internal port - 25565
    - End internal port - 25565

    By manually entering 25565 in the port sections the "Common Protocol" turns to "Custom".

    Does it look like I'm correctly port forwarding the IP of the host PC from the above?

    If so and the port remains closed is it likely there is another setting I need to amend on the Virgin Modem by any chance?

    Looks right. Have you the VM in modem mode? If not, you will have to add the port there also but this time use the address of your router.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Hi all. I’m only reading about mesh systems now. I have the standard Vodafone router that’s a couple of years old and I’m running a number of TP link Powerline adapters to a sky Q box, Xbox and a PC. This is working fine but the kids are continually giving out about buffering on wireless devices. Our Vodafone connection gives about 60mb on the wired devices but it can be up and down.

    Will the TP link mesh system improve the situation, and will it integrate with the Powerline adaptors I already have? I’d prefer to keep the sky box, Xbox and PC wired if possible.

    Does it replace the main router or does one of the mesh units have to be connected to it? I’m not techie minded and a bit of a noob to all this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Am I correct in assuming that as I have a 150mb FTTH connection, and that speed is plenty sufficient for what we use, that it doesn’t really matter which of the TP Link series I choose?

    I don’t have my house cabled, so it’ll be wireless connection only.

    This is something that I can’t seem to find discussed in reviews of any product.
    TIA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,761 ✭✭✭degsie


    ratracer wrote: »
    Am I correct in assuming that as I have a 150mb FTTH connection, and that speed is plenty sufficient for what we use, that it doesn’t really matter which of the TP Link series I choose?

    I don’t have my house cabled, so it’ll be wireless connection only.

    This is something that I can’t seem to find discussed in reviews of any product.
    TIA

    It often is down to physical house construction materials and how much radio noise is coming from adjacent dwellers. Most decent mesh systems would offer a good solution either way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Isn't that just a repeater not mesh. You definitely don't want a repeater

    Yes, it definitely looks like that alright.

    I tried my laptop in the room with the bad signal and it seemed to work reasonably well. I think we will just struggle through. I just plugged in a router in a place I could possible get a cable to, but the signal to the router was no better there than the current live one.

    We'll struggle on, and I will add a 2nd wired Ubiquiti AP when the house is done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    Yes, it definitely looks like that alright.

    I tried my laptop in the room with the bad signal and it seemed to work reasonably well. I think we will just struggle through. I just plugged in a router in a place I could possible get a cable to, but the signal to the router was no better there than the current live one.

    We'll struggle on, and I will add a 2nd wired Ubiquiti AP when the house is done.

    Have you tried homeplugs? You could get your second Unifi and use a set to homeplugs to connect it until you get your cable ran?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Have you tried homeplugs? You could get your second Unifi and use a set to homeplugs to connect it until you get your cable ran?

    The wiring in the house is old, I'm notnsure how well homeplugs might work. But maybe worth a try. Thanks for the suggestion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    The wiring in the house is old, I'm notnsure how well homeplugs might work. But maybe worth a try. Thanks for the suggestion.

    Buy them somewhere that will take them back if they don't work. Amazon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Damien360 wrote: »
    Looks right. Have you the VM in modem mode?

    The VM router is only offering "Router Mode" and "Bridged Only", there's no "Modem Mode" offered.

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    Lot's of head scratching going on here!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    bridged mode should be the same thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Cyrus wrote: »
    bridged mode should be the same thing

    Thanks Cyrus, I'll give that a go later and restart the Modem and Mesh router so it gets up and running as "clean" as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Cyrus wrote: »
    bridged mode should be the same thing

    So every time I change the setting from Router Mode to Bridged Only and click save settings the modem resets and when it comes back up it's still in Router Mode!

    Also, if the VF modem is in router mode why isn't the Trace Route showing double nating? :o

    4K7nSJP.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    54and56 wrote: »
    So every time I change the setting from Router Mode to Bridged Only and click save settings the modem resets and when it comes back up it's still in Router Mode! :o

    this may help?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056758726


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭54and56


    Cyrus wrote: »

    Thanks Cyrus,

    That looks like a "lock the door and concentrate hard" type of post to follow but I'll give it a crack.


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