Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

26-01-2021 06:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id gamble on either 10th or 17th of may

Im suprised paddy power isnt doing odds on this yet

Waiting on Leo to leak it.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 26-01-2021 06:27PM

HBC08 wrote: »

I think its safe to say a lot of posts in this thread havent aged well.

Absolutely. The selfish 'I'm all right Jack' sorts who felt that their desire to go down to some awful smelly local to horse back pints of lager should take precedence over the health of the wider community. If anyone needed proof that the Irish have a deeply unhealthy attitude to alcohol then this thread was a fine example, as was the vintners trying to force the government to allow them to reopen. Disgraceful from all involved.

Jim Root · 26-01-2021 06:47PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Absolutely. The selfish 'I'm all right Jack' sorts who felt that their desire to go down to some awful smelly local to horse back pints of lager should take precedence over the health of the wider community. If anyone needed proof that the Irish have a deeply unhealthy attitude to alcohol then this thread was a fine example, as was the vintners trying to force the government to allow them to reopen. Disgraceful from all involved.

Yep, the vintners would do well to stay quiet now. Pubs are not a priority.

Rosita · 26-01-2021 06:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id gamble on either 10th or 17th of may

Which year?

pottokblue · 26-01-2021 06:58PM

2121??

Dickie10 · 26-01-2021 10:47PM

id say mid june we are at level 1. most over 60s vaccinated then. no need for restrictions, hospitalisation will be very low as will ICU. we then need to go into Ivan Drago mode ...you all know that statement. full whack back to normality

weldoninhio · 26-01-2021 11:26PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

This was 12 months ago, and there were no travel restrictions at the time, I know we're noting the first anniversary of Covid's arrival, but it really is time to move on if you want to have any credibility going forward.

No travel restrictions, but we knew Covid was bad enough to call off the rugby.

Cork2021 · 26-01-2021 11:27PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

id say mid june we are at level 1. most over 60s vaccinated then. no need for restrictions, hospitalisation will be very low as will ICU. we then need to go into Ivan Drago mode ...you all know that statement. full whack back to normality

All over 60’s should be well vaccinated by then, I’d expect myself to have gotten it by that time! (Essential worker in a crowded environment)
I see it playing out like this..
Level 5 until just after Easter but with schools,retail and construction fully open from the 5th of March.
Level 3 from 6th of April until after the May bank holiday.
Level 2 from the 10th of May until the end of June.
Level 1 until the end of September.
Normality from October!

Dickie10 · 26-01-2021 11:45PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

All over 60’s should be well vaccinated by then, I’d expect myself to have gotten it by that time! (Essential worker in a crowded environment)
I see it playing out like this..
Level 5 until just after Easter but with schools,retail and construction fully open from the 5th of March.
Level 3 from 6th of April until after the May bank holiday.
Level 2 from the 10th of May until the end of June.
Level 1 until the end of September.
Normality from October!

Yea i really dont understand the doom and gloom, the dog on the street knows this affects over 65s mostly. we have only 3000 deaths, i thought were to have 30000? of course the media will find a story about someones , sister inlaws , cousins neighbour who got it and died aged 40, or the person with Long Covid whatever that means. point is, so what? Once the health system is ok and our vulnerable are vaxxed. nothing to see

completedit · 27-01-2021 12:03AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Yea i really dont understand the doom and gloom, the dog on the street knows this affects over 65s mostly. we have only 3000 deaths, i thought were to have 30000? of course the media will find a story about someones , sister inlaws , cousins neighbour who got it and died aged 40, or the person with Long Covid whatever that means. point is, so what? Once the health system is ok and our vulnerable are vaxxed. nothing to see

The problem is that we don't even know what we want to achieve anymore. Nobody can come out and see we are okay with deaths as long as system isn't at capacity. This has always been the true dilemma but we have this idea that death is this absolutely avoidable thing and that Covid is the most inhumane disgusting way to die. I get it in one way; it's something we feel we can control and prevent, but we eventually need to get real. The vaccines not being a magic bean for immortality should be what makes people accept this trade off.

Cork2021 · 27-01-2021 12:16AM

completedit wrote: »

The problem is that we don't even know what we want to achieve anymore. Nobody can come out and see we are okay with deaths as long as system isn't at capacity. This has always been the true dilemma but we have this idea that death is this absolutely avoidable thing and that Covid is the most inhumane disgusting way to die. I get it in one way; it's something we feel we can control and prevent, but we eventually need to get real. The vaccines not being a magic bean for immortality should be what makes people accept this trade off.

100% the vaccines aren’t the magic bean as you’ve said but they aren’t that way for disease in reality. We just need to get it rolled out as fast and as efficiently as possible and get on with our lives and let this be a period in our lives we won’t forget and learn from it!

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 12:19AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

id say mid june we are at level 1. most over 60s vaccinated then. no need for restrictions, hospitalisation will be very low as will ICU. we then need to go into Ivan Drago mode ...you all know that statement. full whack back to normality

Dickie10, who told you there will be no need for restrictions once most of the over 60s are vaccinated?

27-01-2021 12:24AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Yea i really dont understand the doom and gloom, the dog on the street knows this affects over 65s mostly. we have only 3000 deaths, i thought were to have 30000? of course the media will find a story about someones , sister inlaws , cousins neighbour who got it and died aged 40, or the person with Long Covid whatever that means. point is, so what? Once the health system is ok and our vulnerable are vaxxed. nothing to see

OK. Good post.

doublejobbing 2 · 27-01-2021 12:28AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Absolutely. The selfish 'I'm all right Jack' sorts who felt that their desire to go down to some awful smelly local to horse back pints of lager should take precedence over the health of the wider community. If anyone needed proof that the Irish have a deeply unhealthy attitude to alcohol then this thread was a fine example, as was the vintners trying to force the government to allow them to reopen. Disgraceful from all involved.

Christmas surge was caused by an open border with the UK. These people spread it to their own family members, who welcomed them in to the home, more than the pubs.

These people then spread the virus at informal non pub gatherings in the run up to NYE.

Post Christmas surge caused by returning migrants from Romania etc, hence recent outbreaks in meat plants.

There is no reason for keeping socially distanced pubs closed when we get below a certain level. We should not be paying the price for Mehole and Leo's refusal to close the EU borders so as not to upset the bosses in Brussels.

Bass Reeves · 27-01-2021 12:46AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Yea i really dont understand the doom and gloom, the dog on the street knows this affects over 65s mostly. we have only 3000 deaths, i thought were to have 30000? of course the media will find a story about someones , sister inlaws , cousins neighbour who got it and died aged 40, or the person with Long Covid whatever that means. point is, so what? Once the health system is ok and our vulnerable are vaxxed. nothing to see

The problem with COVID is if hospitals and the health system gets over whelmed. Just like we can supress it fairly fast it can rise fast. The problem is who are the vulnerable, is it over 70's and those with underlying conditions . Is it over 60's.

The other issue now is variants. This is the huge issue . If we let it run rampant we will get variants. At some stage one of these could develop a latency that could cause issues in younger people like the Spanish flu. At present there is 3 of these we know about, UK, Brazilian and South African. If one develops that is vaccine resistant to vaccine we are back to stage one

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 12:47AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Christmas surge was caused by an open border with the UK. These people spread it to their own family members, who welcomed them in to the home, more than the pubs.

These people then spread the virus at informal non pub gatherings in the run up to NYE.

Post Christmas surge caused by returning migrants from Romania etc, hence recent outbreaks in meat plants.

There is no reason for keeping socially distanced pubs closed when we get below a certain level. We should not be paying the price for Mehole and Leo's refusal to close the EU borders so as not to upset the bosses in Brussels.

Covid was spread by people with covid transmitting it to other people. Some people who crossed the border into Ireland had covid. But the vast majority of cases were proper Irish people who caught it in Ireland and gave it to other people in Ireland.

The people crossing the border had a similar chance of having covid as the rest of the Irish population. Let’s not pretend the spike was all down to people crossing the border.

27-01-2021 12:49AM

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210125_v1.0.pdf

Numbers here if anyone is looking for them.

bunnyboxer · 27-01-2021 12:53AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Covid was spread by people with covid transmitting it to other people. Some people who crossed the border into Ireland had dived. But the vast majority of cases were proper Irish people who caught it in Ireland and gave it to other people in Ireland.

The people crossing the border had a similar chance of having covid as the rest of the Irish population. Let’s not pretend the spike was all down to people crossing the border.

140,000 came through our airports in December, Do you think the 140,000 self isolated?

That's where the surge came from and the government now been stricter on arrivals.

We need to work with the north but the government don't have the balls as it's a sensitive subject.

Pubs, especially beer gardens should be fine if social distancing cab maintained and beer gardens should be open in the summer with no restricitons

PTH2009 · 27-01-2021 01:18AM

More angry about Leo and the lads laughing/sniggering about Hospitality been closed today in there briefings

doublejobbing 2 · 27-01-2021 01:32AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Covid was spread by people with covid transmitting it to other people. Some people who crossed the border into Ireland had dived. But the vast majority of cases were proper Irish people who caught it in Ireland and gave it to other people in Ireland.

The people crossing the border had a similar chance of having covid as the rest of the Irish population. Let’s not pretend the spike was all down to people crossing the border.

By default anybody prepared to travel from the UK is someone who couldn't give a shiet about following even the most basic of precautions. So yes, they were a higher risk than what we already had and were responsible for the bulk of cases.

emo72 · 27-01-2021 01:40AM

I'm getting ads on this thread for home bars. Ironic and funny.

PommieBast · 27-01-2021 02:36AM

emo72 wrote: »

I'm getting ads on this thread for home bars. Ironic and funny.

I sometimes wonder what I am missing out on. Looking at pics/videos released by the Garda some of those shebeens that have been busted seem to have more effort put into them than most legitimate pubs.. Up there with 1920s New York.. :eek:

27-01-2021 07:58AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Absolutely. The selfish 'I'm all right Jack' sorts who felt that their desire to go down to some awful smelly local to horse back pints of lager should take precedence over the health of the wider community. If anyone needed proof that the Irish have a deeply unhealthy attitude to alcohol then this thread was a fine example, as was the vintners trying to force the government to allow them to reopen. Disgraceful from all involved.

People just want to go for a pint. There's no need to be over dramatic.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 08:48AM

bunnyboxer wrote: »

140,000 came through our airports in December, Do you think the 140,000 self isolated?

That's where the surge came from and the government now been stricter on arrivals.
...

I’m sure most of them didn’t isolate.
Why do you think these 140,000 people were so much more likely to have covid than the rest of the Irish population?

People not maintaining distance and mixing more at Christmas, spread the virus and caused the spike. Where they came from is much less relevant.

Ah lads, a bit of responsibility wouldn’t go amiss here. Blaming the spike on the people crossing the border is pitifully. People travelling will certainly have contributed to it, but people mixing over Christmas causes the spike.

weldoninhio · 27-01-2021 08:52AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m sure most of them didn’t isolate.
Why do you think these 140,000 people were so much more likely to have covid than the rest of the Irish population?

People not maintaining distance and mixing more at Christmas, spread the virus and caused the spike. Where they came from is much less relevant.

Ah lads, a bit of responsibility wouldn’t go amiss here. Blaming the spike on the people crossing the border is pitifully. People travelling will certainly have contributed to it, but people mixing over Christmas causes the spike.

Nothing to see here, it was all the pubs fault. :rolleyes:

One flight into Ireland sparked 59 Covid cases in six HSE regions - study
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 08:58AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

By default anybody prepared to travel from the UK is someone who couldn't give a shiet about following even the most basic of precautions. So yes, they were a higher risk than what we already had and were responsible for the bulk of cases.

Yeah, people not following guidance is the cause of the spike. If you look around these threads you’ll find loads of people who have decided not to follow guidance. Some of them are lauded for it. And you find people defending the idea of going for their holiday later in the year too.

Pretending the ones who crossed the border are somehow the cause of the spike, is ridiculous. They had to meet other people in Ireland in order to spread the virus to them.if everyone followed guidance, there wouldn’t have been a spike. Looking to blame other people is silly.

Collectively there was less adherence to the rules around Christmas, cases spiked, we had to lock down. It happened all over Europe so it wasn’t a uniquely Irish event caused by people crossing the NI border.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 08:58AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Nothing to see here, it was all the pubs fault. :rolleyes:

One flight into Ireland sparked 59 Covid cases in six HSE regions - study
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html

Did someone say it was the pubs fault? Lol.

27-01-2021 09:45AM

Looks like its back to the mates home bar for the next few weeks/months after i am finished with dry January. Not a chance pubs being reopened until after Easter

Tenzor07 · 27-01-2021 10:16AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

One flight into Ireland sparked 59 Covid cases in six HSE regions - study
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html

Jeez If I had €1 for every time someone Googled then copy/pasted this study from last Summer I could afford my own Guinness tap system!

PommieBast · 27-01-2021 10:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like its back to the mates home bar for the next few weeks/months after i am finished with dry January. Not a chance pubs being reopened until after Easter

Way things are going it might be Easter 2022. Gov't dropping more than hints that some sort of restrictions will be in place for the rest of this year, and you can bet top dollar that non-food pubs will be the absolutely last thing that will be allowed to reopen.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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