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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #602
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,395 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    We're a nation of rule breakers.

    Perhaps we need more enforcement.


  • #603
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    mloc123 wrote: »
    But but but... what about the teachers holidays? God forbid they would be put out at all by this whole thing

    Up to a few weeks ago the only people I know, or know of, who had got it were nurses or teachers.


  • #604
    [Deleted User]
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    AdamD wrote: »
    This is baffling. How can we have restrictions with the entire country vaccinated? That logic suggests restrictions forever, which will absolutely not happen.


    So if vaccinating the entire country doesn't end this, what does?

    At the minute there is no hard evidence to say that the new variants evade the vaccines. Surely they knew from the beginning of all this that the virus would likely mutate. They are either managing expectations or something else is going on. The jump in cases last month frightened them and I think most of what Leo and co are saying is coming from extreme caution and planting seeds in case things don't work out as hoped, rather than actual evidence.

    It is the epitome of a "hope for the best prepare for the worst" mindset. It's often seen after a person experiences disappointment after disappointment. Unfortunately It's a narrative that when used by those in influence can have a damaging impact on the minds of the people.


  • #605
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's not as if they just came to the decision, they've been consistent and NPHET agree. Our strategy has a four week review built in. COVID Zero has none, it just goes on until whenever.

    Covid zero has no strategy built in, because it's not being considered so why would it have. Sure NZ has a strategy built in.

    And who would be looking for a 4 week update when you and your family and your friends are able to live relatively normal anyway.


  • #606
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    No date on when quarantine will come in for SA and Brazil.

    This looks like it won't happen at all.
    It needs legislation and that will take time. Even "quickly" will mean weeks.


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  • #607
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They hate zero covid being the strategy so much that they ....

    Said their actual strategy won't work as a defence for not implementing it

    Haha

    If you didn't laugh, you'd cry! Farcical


  • #608
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    is_that_so wrote: »
    If you're quoting Braveheart for support there may be some flaws in your plan!

    Well he succeeded in invading lower England and sacking York. So he did what was said to be impossible;) And historically he did do that also.


  • #609
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Covid zero has no strategy built in, because it's not being considered so why would it have. Sure NZ has a strategy built in.

    And who would be looking for a 4 week update when you and your family and your friends are able to live relatively normal anyway.
    The very isolated rock in the Pacific again? It needs a timeframe, which can't even be guessed at.


  • #610
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's not as if they just came to the decision, they've been consistent and NPHET agree. Our strategy has a four week review built in. COVID Zero has none, it just goes on until whenever.

    A 4 week review in theory sure, in reality doesn't sound like there will be any significant easing before May and of course no guarantee that there won't be further restrictions after that anyway


  • #611
    hotmail.com
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It needs legislation and that will take time. Even "quickly" will mean weeks.

    We know things can be brought in overnight, so there is clearly no political will to introduce strict quarantine measures.


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  • #612
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Arduach wrote: »
    Well he succeeded in invading lower England and sacking York. So he did what was said to be impossible;) And historically he did do that also.
    Not sure how much sacking is involved in any of this! It all sounds like an anything you want to do self-help books.


  • #613
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    is_that_so wrote: »
    If you're quoting Braveheart for support there may be some flaws in your plan!


    love Braveheart


    Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

    [caveat - nothing to do with COVID]


  • #614
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    We know things can be brought in overnight, so there is clearly no political will to introduce strict quarantine measures.
    Things that don't require legislation, yes.


  • #615
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1354129134134288384


  • #616
    KrustyUCC
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    A 4 week review in theory sure, in reality doesn't sound like there will be any significant easing before May and of course no guarantee that there won't be further restrictions after that anyway

    There won't be anything open before Easter Monday would be my guess

    then maybe retail open at a push

    Then a slow slow painfully slow reopening with hospitality not open until after the June Bank holiday

    Couldn't have the country open for a bank holiday as we've had everything **** for 6/7 of the last bank holidays


  • #617
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not sure how much sacking is involved in any of this! It all sounds like an anything you want to do self-help books.

    I'm just giving an example of where everyone said no and they were wrong! It was a light hearted little quote.

    How can you be certain zero covid being is impossible? All the definites have been proven wrong time after time with this illness. You're just giving an opinion.


  • #618
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    A 4 week review in theory sure, in reality doesn't sound like there will be any significant easing before May and of course no guarantee that there won't be further restrictions after that anyway

    They have mentioned 100-200 cases a day. We should see that in March at the latest. TBH the rest of it is all very 2020! By May we'll have vaccinated all the at risk groups. We should also have full country data from Israel. Once we go down to Level 3 and below we will not be reversing tack.


  • #619
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    We will be getting "opening schools a priority" in the summer anyways.


  • #620
    The_Brood
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    BredonWimsey wrote: »
    love Braveheart


    Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

    [caveat - nothing to do with COVID]

    I mean it's becoming everything to do with Covid. This isn't just a period or a stretch of something anymore. These are defining times and we are lying on our beds or on our coaches and allowing complete and utter incompetence of the highest order to burn the whole house down.


  • #621
    is_that_so
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    Arduach wrote: »
    I'm just giving an example of where everyone said no and they were wrong! It was a light hearted little quote.

    How can you be certain zero covid being is impossible? All the definites have been proven wrong time after time with this illness. You're just giving an opinion.
    I am but we do know it doesn't have an obvious expiry date and that it would involve us locking ourselves away from the world for an undetermined time.


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  • #622
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They have mentioned 100-200 cases a day. We should see that in March at the latest. TBH the rest of it is all very 2020! By May we'll have vaccinated all the at risk groups. We should also have full country data from Israel. Once we go down to Level 3 and below we will not be reversing tack.

    Sure they didn't seem confident that hospitality would open by May, I can't see that opening as early in March at this juncture tbh. Sure the vaccines will make a difference but with supply issues, pace of rolling them out and them hinting that there could still be restrictions after this it wouldn't inspire much confidence in the current strategy.


  • #623
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    The_Brood wrote: »
    I mean it's becoming everything to do with Covid. This isn't just a period or a stretch of something anymore. These are defining times and we are lying on our beds or on our coaches and allowing complete and utter incompetence of the highest order to burn the whole house down.


    sorry I'm not commenting on what you said. I'm actually just quoting braveheart.


  • #624
    bennyl10
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They hate zero covid being the strategy so much that they ....

    Said their actual strategy won't work as a defence for not implementing it

    Haha

    Without the north it won’t work

    NPHET have looked at it and said it isn’t possible. It’s a pipe dream being pushed by those not in power


  • #625
    Stateofyou
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    The very isolated rock in the Pacific again? It needs a timeframe, which can't even be guessed at.

    I don't know what point you're making here...


  • #626
    Loafing Oaf
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    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Or we may end up in full blown riots like it is happening all over Netherlands
    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    OI mean it’s all kicked off in the Netherlands and I can’t say I’m surprised. I wouldn’t be shocked if it happens in more countries and even here.

    dream on guys...


  • #627
    Stateofyou
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Things that don't require legislation, yes.

    This should have already been done. The next best time is now.


  • #628
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I am but we do know it doesn't have an obvious expiry date and that it would involve us locking ourselves away from the world for an undetermined time.

    Fair enough. But we're doing that already, shutting down etc. I don't know, i'm not that invested in Covid free either tbh.

    Just when I hear someone say we'll have the vulnerable vaccinated by this date and such and such, it's logical and great in theory.

    But this dose is throwing curveballs all over the place. It's hard to be certain.


  • #629
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Sure they didn't seem confident that hospitality would open by May, I can't see that opening as early in March at this juncture tbh. Sure the vaccines will make a difference but with supply issues, pace of rolling them out and them hinting that there could still be restrictions after this it wouldn't inspire much confidence in the current strategy.
    I think they are looking at worst cases and making sure we don't imagine a vaccine immediately resets everything. It's a grim and unpleasant approach but think we're really past all the platitudes.


  • #630
    SPDUB
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Things that don't require legislation, yes.

    Legislation for seizing money which was believed to belong to the IRA was brought in over a few hours IIRC in the 80's


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  • #631
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The very isolated rock in the Pacific again? It needs a timeframe, which can't even be guessed at.

    Thailand is an isolated rock in the Pacific?


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