Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 26-01-2021 04:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If there was anything other than conspiracy's being put forward a reasonable debate may break out

Do you have a link to cost benefit analysis of a lockdown, produced by Irish govt?

If not - how will you debate?

And more importantly, are you concerned such analysis has not been done to date?

Ginger n Lemon · 26-01-2021 04:17PM

growleaves wrote: »

Personally I think people should be more suspicious of debt and more reluctant to take it on, since repayment is predicated on stability. We are not living in a stable world if never-before tried economic shutdowns can be brought in out of nowhere.

Its all short to medium term thinking though.

I think someone in US politics, cant exactly recall who, said "it doesnt matter if we borrow a lot or little. In the short term there wont be any pain. In the long term we ll all be dead!" or something along those lines.

completedit · 26-01-2021 04:18PM

growleaves wrote: »

Ben Bernanke has said that personal austerity and centralised corporate power will characterise the post-covid economy.

Corporate consolidation across multiple industries is happening due to these lockdowns as big companies buy up assets from ruined SMEs. Amazon has been allowed to almost singlehandedly destroy retail with the blessing of the global establishment.

Once we are all under the corporate thumb expect even more downward pressure on wages. We're on the road to pauperism and irrevocable state-corporatist control with fewer free and financially independent people than before.

The bull**** thing is you have people telling you to give it over because this doesn't matter somehow in their heads. It does matter. Life will go on after covid and the very real economic consequences and societal shift will be apparent. We are on the precipice of some huge huge changes. History repeats itself. Out years of relative peace in the west may not remain for much longer. We are dealing with a ticking time bomb here that has been ticking slowly since 2008.

How much inequality can people put up with? Eventually something will trigger. You deprive people of a future; of agency in their lives then the consequences will be severe.

growleaves · 26-01-2021 04:19PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its all short to medium term thinking though.

I think someone in US politics, cant exactly recall who, said "it doesnt matter if we borrow a lot or little. In the short term there wont be any pain. In the long term we ll all be dead!" or something along those lines.

Keynes said that I think.

completedit · 26-01-2021 04:22PM

I thought Keynes meant we can leave the debt to future generations. By that stage, economic growth will have reached a point whereby people won't even notice it. We'll be dead and it won't be our problem. We have to deal with the problems of our times.

Mr. Karate · 26-01-2021 04:38PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

90% of Irish people want hotel quarantine?

doesnt quote survey.

Typical "expert" lol.

"Hilary has a 98% chance of victory" we all know how that turned out. Alot of the polls are easily rigged to get the result you want. Though I'm sure there are people content to keep the lockdowns going on forever.

Ginger n Lemon · 26-01-2021 04:42PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

"Hilary has a 98% chance of victory" we all know how that turned out. Alot of the polls are easily rigged to get the result you want. Though I'm sure there are people content to keep the lockdowns going on forever.

Maybe thats a bit of exaggeration tbh.

Where I live, tons of people are walking daily. old. pregnant. young. Like hundreds... unreal

20 + children play on d playground, climbing all over the place.

I ve stopped following covid news a long time ago. My 2nd best decision over the last 10 months.

I will tune back in though once a cost benefit analysis of Irish lockdown is published by the government. Then there will actually be something factual to look at. Rather than silly articles from politicians flip flopping on every single issue in the news.

Silentcorner · 26-01-2021 04:42PM

growleaves wrote: »

If someone in power says "the standard of living will decrease" then it is a fact that they are presiding over a managed reduction in the standard of living. Their policies have caused it, including their decision to make the pandemic the single global priority.

I didn't say that this was a *deliberate* plan or conspiracy, you have intuited that part yourself.

It is mad that no light is being shone on the massive cost of all of this...it does make you think.

Varadkar told us last Oct (as a reason not to go into level 5) that we simply couldn't afford it....we will have been in level 5 at least for 3 and a half months by the time restrictions are relaxed since then.

Has he ever been pressured by journalists about this?

We live in a time where you really have to focus on what we are not being told as best you can...and take in as little of what we are being told, because way too many things don't add up!

I saw some advice offered earlier in the thread, save money fast, which ordinarily would be sage advice....but now I am not so sure, we are printing money in a very reckless manner!

Mr. Karate · 26-01-2021 04:42PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Funny our next lockdown is lasting until March 5th apparently to mirror the North

Easter Monday is 32 days later so not doubt that's the next extension

You might see some retail open after Easter

Now we have other bank holidays in May and June

Tony & NPHET won't want any hospitality open for Bank Holidays so it will be interesting to see the government trying to justify keeping thins shut until June 8th at the earliest

Couldn't have anything open before bank holidays just like last year where the only bank holiday we had hospitality open for was August

I don't care at this stage because if its safe for Michael to fly to DC to meet Biden on St. Patrick's Day then it will be safe for me to fly to the States in June.

facehugger99 · 26-01-2021 04:42PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Conspiracy theory forum is that way>>>>>>

It is the poor, the young and the unskilled workers who have been sacrificed by the response to Covid. A response that has been designed and presided over by a bunch of well-remunerated, middle-aged bureaucrats who have suffered very little.

pottokblue · 26-01-2021 04:47PM

Shirley Micheal Martin is not going over stateside after converting St Patricks Day parade to an online one, MM and JB can have a zoom Paddy gathering...

pottokblue · 26-01-2021 04:48PM

Lockdown 3 is a two tier lockdown, for for those in power and another for the rest...

26-01-2021 04:49PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very good point. lets face it when retail shops were going bankrupt back in the summer last year we were told here by few posters that those businesses were on their way out even before covid. and that it was normal occurrence and nothing to be looked at.

Now that you see hundreds of restaurants, pubs, small shops liquidating, can you really be so deluded to say that those were also on the way out before covid? Take a walk down the main street in your town, as long as its within 5 kms :pac: and look around.

The longer restrictions go on for, the less you ll have to look at.

Believe it or not, the pro restrictions poster End of the Road said exactly that last night.

He said the whole pub industry was dying anyways and Covid will just hasten it.

No doubt when the real recession starts they’ll be saying it would have happened without Covid anyways. Forcing business to close for a year had no impact...

Ginger n Lemon · 26-01-2021 04:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Believe it or not, the pro restrictions poster End of the Road said exactly that last night.

He said the whole pub industry was dying anyways and Covid will just hasten it.

No doubt when the real recession starts they’ll be saying it would have happened without Covid anyways. Forcing business to close for a year had no impact...

Ugh. Awkward.

Mweh. at least I made the right decision not to read last nights posts. I do find that sometimes, in this thread anyways, the later it is in the day the crazier the posts are.

I remember Noxx kept insisting that "people should be afraid" always towards the evening time. ahh good old days

Mr. Karate · 26-01-2021 04:54PM

pottokblue wrote: »

Shirley Micheal Martin is not going over stateside after converting St Patricks Day parade to an online one, MM and JB can have a zoom Paddy gathering...

You can bet he booked his flights once he cancelled St. Patrick's day here.

Gael23 · 26-01-2021 04:59PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

You can bet he booked his flights once he cancelled St. Patrick's day here.

Hell be fined €500 if he does

Dr. Bre · 26-01-2021 05:04PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Hell be fined €500 if he does

He probably can afford it

Gael23 · 26-01-2021 05:06PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

He probably can afford it

He would have the nerve to expense it to the state too

VonLuck · 26-01-2021 05:14PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It is the poor, the young and the unskilled workers who have been sacrificed by the response to Covid. A response that has been designed and presided over by a bunch of well-remunerated, middle-aged bureaucrats who have suffered very little.

That's an unfortunate result, not planned one. It's the nature of the pandemic. People who are in direct contact with the public were always going to be impacted in order to reduce contacts.

You make it sound like this is some sort of masterplan by the wealthy to inflict suffering upon the poorer in society.

FintanMcluskey · 26-01-2021 05:19PM

VonLuck wrote: »

That's an unfortunate result, not planned one. It's the nature of the pandemic. People who are in direct contact with the public were always going to be impacted in order to reduce contacts.

No it’s not an unfortunate result.

It’s a conscious decision to sacrifice one group of citizens in order to prolong the life of another group.

That’s what’s happened here

VonLuck · 26-01-2021 05:23PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No it’s not an unfortunate result.

It’s a conscious decision to sacrifice one group of citizens in order to prolong the life of another group.

That’s what’s happened here

Not just one group. It's all of society. If ICU goes beyond capacity it won't just be the elderly who may die unnecessarily.

Gael23 · 26-01-2021 05:26PM

The 14 day quarantine can’t be enforced can it?

26-01-2021 05:28PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Not just one group. It's all of society. If ICU goes beyond capacity it won't just be the elderly who may die unnecessarily.

Yawn, been hearing that for a year now.

Kunta Kinte · 26-01-2021 05:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Believe it or not, the pro restrictions poster End of the Road said exactly that last night.

He said the whole pub industry was dying anyways and Covid will just hasten it.

No doubt when the real recession starts they’ll be saying it would have happened without Covid anyways. Forcing business to close for a year had no impact...

I live in a rural area and can remember a time when there were 3 pubs in my nearest village. The last one closed in 2017 long before Covid existed. The same has been repeated particularly in rural areas throughout the country also long before Covid. No doubt though that you and your acolytes will try to invent some way to blame the restrictions for that too.

growleaves · 26-01-2021 05:36PM

Some positive news:

Irish booksellers have record year as lockdown helps boost sales

The Covid-19 pandemic contributed to a stellar year for the Irish book trade in 2020, with sales and revenue higher than at any time since the days of the Celtic Tiger.

Lockdown helped boost Irish publishers and bookshops to sales of €161.5 million, a figure surpassed only in 2008, and a €14 million increase on revenue in 2019, according to Neilsen BookScan.

I wasn't expecting this since the book trade is another one those industries that was supposed to be on its last legs anyway.

Boggles · 26-01-2021 05:41PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

I live in a rural area and can remember a time when there were 3 pubs in my nearest village. The last one closed in 2017 long before Covid existed. The same has been repeated particularly in rural areas throughout the country also long before Covid. No doubt though that you and your acolytes will try to invent some way to blame the restrictions for that too.

Sure if it wasn't for Covid we would still have Xtra-vision renting VHS.

Bloody Covid!

GazzaL · 26-01-2021 05:45PM

I haven't posted on here in a few days because there is so much happening out there in the big bad world. The amount of people breaking restrictions is increasing on a daily basis. Lots of people who signed up until the 1st of February will not extend their compliance beyond that date.

If you go along with NPHET and the Government's made-up "plan", you'll be told, "extend until after St Patrick's Day", "extend until after Easter", "extend until after May Day", "extend until after the June bank holiday" ad infinitum. **** them.

Ginger n Lemon · 26-01-2021 05:45PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

I live in a rural area and can remember a time when there were 3 pubs in my nearest village. The last one closed in 2017 long before Covid existed. The same has been repeated particularly in rural areas throughout the country also long before Covid. No doubt though that you and your acolytes will try to invent some way to blame the restrictions for that too.

Any link for that in bold?

I know your acolytes dont usually look for any factual info, but if you are talking rubbish you may need to back it up.

I actually can tell you that new pubs have been opening in Dublin throughout since 2016. One of the 1s coming to mind, heh, the pipers corner off Abbey st. :pac:

growleaves · 26-01-2021 05:49PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Any link for that in bold?

I know your acolytes dont usually look for any factual info, but if you are talking rubbish you may need to back it up.

I actually can tell you that new pubs have been opening in Dublin throughout since 2016. One of the 1s coming to mind, heh, the pipers corner off Abbey st. :pac:

Yes and that big new super-pub/sportsbar on Camden St. where The Palace used to be. Forget what its called.

Boggles · 26-01-2021 05:50PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I haven't posted on here in a few days because there is so much happening out there in the big bad world. The amount of people breaking restrictions is increasing on a daily basis. Lots of people who signed up until the 1st of February will not extend their compliance beyond that date.

If you go along with NPHET and the Government's made-up "plan", you'll be told, "extend until after St Patrick's Day", "extend until after Easter", "extend until after May Day", "extend until after the June bank holiday" ad infinitum. **** them.

Nope. Infection rates dropping like a stone.

Regardless of what is happening in your anecdotal "big bad world" the vast vast majority of the country are complying with restrictions.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings