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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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    #1442
    bunnyboxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭bunnyboxer


    mcgragger wrote: »
    Right so Mehole and Leo are part of a secret society that are sneaking in rules on the back of a virus response so that they can control us.

    Is it going to far to ask why they want to control us at mass levels?

    Nope there not but head guys in E.U are.


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    #1443
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Nope I don't. That's yet another (completely) false position you've attributed to me.



    It's simply to reduce the number of people mixing and socialising, e.g. groups of teenagers.

    Your bizarre explanation is that it's actually a scheme by governments to "control" people, but you never explain why or what the scheme is exactly..




    Dunno, possibly because those people can catch the virus in the period after a negative test. With more virulent foreign strains coming from abroad, apparently governments want to take stronger measures to mitigate that

    What is your explanation as to why those flights are banned?


    Can't anybody who tests negative to the virus from ANY country contract it immediately after the test?

    And can't groups of teenagers mix all day long before the 9pm curfew?


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    #1444
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Can't anybody who tests negative to the virus from ANY country contract it immediately after the test?

    Yes, but it's to do with likelihood. If you test negative that should probably be okay, but under extreme circumstances (e.g. the UK at the moment) that might not be a good enough.
    And can't groups of teenagers mix all day long before the 9pm curfew?

    Yes because it's not feasible to have an all-day curfew in most countries. Although that could be the next stage for some if the virus gets worse (it's already the case in Lebanon)

    I notice you haven't bothered to address a single question I've asked.


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    #1445
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yes, but it's to do with likelihood. If you test negative that should probably be okay, but under extreme circumstances (e.g. the UK at the moment) that might not be a good enough.



    Yes because it's not feasible to have an all-day curfew in most countries. Although that could be the next stage for some if the virus gets worse (it's already the case in Lebanon)

    I notice you haven't bothered to address a single question I've asked.


    I don't have to answer your "gotcha" questions. I ask a question about the validity and efficacy of curfews or I allude to contradictions and your knee-jerk reaction is to try and paint me into a corner forcing me to answer your questions like "what's the conspiracy? what's the alternative? ANSWER the question!" No thanks, It's debating in bad faith.


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    #1446
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    So in the Netherlands there is a 9pm curfew supposedly to slow the spread of the virus. But it's ok to be out during the day from 4am to 9pm. The nightly curfew doesn't apply to people walking a dog. Explain that one.


    If social distancing is recommended during the day how come it is ineffective at night?


    You can't buy beer now after 8pm. Again I have no clue as to the logic of this. With the 9pm curfew and the 8pm beer cutoff people are descending on supermarkets in greater numbers at the same time. People are still having house parties it's just that they are starting them earlier, bulk buying the booze and people are staying over.


    It's required to wear a mask in indoor public spaces including shops yet there's no plan about how to enforce this. The shop staff say that it isn't their job to ensure people wear masks and let them in even if they are not wearing a mask. Oh and this mask requirement doesn't apply to people in churches, temples and mosques. Maybe the virus is some kind of anti-christ bug and won't go near places of worship like Damien Thorn in The Omen.


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    #1447
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    So in the Netherlands there is a 9pm curfew supposedly to slow the spread of the virus. But it's ok to be out during the day from 4am to 9pm. The nightly curfew doesn't apply to people walking a dog. Explain that one.

    An all-day curfew would be even more effective in reducing the spread of the virus, but it's not feasible to have all-day curfews in most countries (yet). So there are evening curfews.
    If social distancing is recommended during the day how come it is ineffective at night?

    It's not ineffective at night
    It's required to wear a mask in indoor public spaces including shops yet there's no plan about how to enforce this.

    People wear masks in shops. In certain countries people are required to wear masks in town and city centers. There aren't any major issues with this.

    Again, another long list of stuff you "don't understand, therefore something is going on", without ever explaining what that something is. A hamster wheel of bad logic.


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    #1448
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    If we stop people over 80 from breeding...

    just wanted to highlight this again....

    Biology or English, (not sure which, not too sure I want to know either :-D)

    you didn't do great in school did you?


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    #1449
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    arccosh wrote: »
    just wanted to highlight this again....

    Biology or English, (not sure which, not too sure I want to know either :-D)

    you didn't do great in school did you?

    tenor.gif


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    #1450
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    An all-day curfew would be even more effective in reducing the spread of the virus, but it's not feasible to have all-day curfews in most countries (yet). So there are evening curfews.



    It's not ineffective at night



    People wear masks in shops. In certain countries people are required to wear masks in town and city centers. There aren't any major issues with this.

    Again, another long list of stuff you "don't understand, therefore something is going on", without ever explaining what that something is. A hamster wheel of bad logic.


    You're the one who doesn't understand. IF social distancing is effective at night then why not have people social distance at night instead of imposing a curfew on them which according to your expert knowledge of pandemics is to stop them mixing and socialising.
    All you do is make excuse after excuse for nonsensical restrictions because you don't ever want to question the glorious government.

    And you cherry pick the points I bring up. You do this time and again in every thread. It's mandatory to wear a mask in a shop but not in a church or temple. Where's the logic in that? And don't try to sidestep the question by demanding to know if I think it's a massive lizard-people style invasion of the body-snatchers hoax just to feel good about yourself or to ridicule the question because you can't answer it or you can't answer it with any semblence of sense.


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    #1451
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    You're the one who doesn't understand. IF social distancing is effective at night then why not have people social distance at night instead of imposing a curfew on them which according to your expert knowledge of pandemics is to stop them mixing and socialising.
    All you do is make excuse after excuse for nonsensical restrictions because you don't ever want to question the glorious government.

    And you cherry pick the points I bring up. You do this time and again in every thread. It's mandatory to wear a mask in a shop but not in a church or temple. Where's the logic in that? And don't try to sidestep the question by demanding to know if I think it's a massive lizard-people style invasion of the body-snatchers hoax just to feel good about yourself or to ridicule the question because you can't answer it or you can't answer it with any semblence of sense.

    OK... Firstly there is no curfew in Ireland... Secondly.. How does any of this relate to these restrictions being permanent?


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    #1452
    Thinkingaboutit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    All day curfews to stop a virus that only harms a small few with multiple vulnerabilities. Obviously they should not be forgotten, but measures related to them are surely not beyond the wits of our rulers? Maybe they are. Scum rising to the top and all that.

    A fair few protests against further lockdowns overseas.

    Sadly, as history shows, compared to the mass opening of bars and restaurants by Italian or a little bit of argy bargy in Eindhoven, a good many Irish people will sooner die in a ditch than make a fuss. I suppose too people see that most anti-lockdown protests get pummelled by Gardaí who escort BLM marchers trying to dox their colleagues online.


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    #1453
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    OK... Firstly there is no curfew in Ireland... Secondly.. How does any of this relate to these restrictions being permanent?


    There is a curfew in The Netherlands. I'm not saying that the curfew will be made permanent but there are huge numbers of Dutch people who don't trust the government and have shown this distrust with demonstrations over the last 3 days.


    I don't think ALL restrictions will be permanent. Kids will need to go back to school. People will want to go to football matches and restaurants, but I can't help but think that there will be limitations and restrictions left in place even if they are totally meaningless and people will just go along with it because they are afraid of being labelled as a rebel or an upstart or a conspiracy theorist.


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    #1454
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Thinkingaboutit wrote: »
    All day curfews to stop a virus that only harms a small few with multiple vulnerabilities. Obviously they should not be forgotten, but measures related to them are surely not beyond the wits of our rulers? Maybe they are. Scum rising to the top and all that.

    A fair few protests against further lockdowns overseas.

    Sadly, as history shows, compared to the mass opening of bars and restaurants by Italian or a little bit of argy bargy in Eindhoven, a good many Irish people will sooner die in a ditch than make a fuss. I suppose too people see that most anti-lockdown protests get pummelled by Gardaí who escort BLM marchers trying to dox their colleagues online.


    Sadly that's the truth and they loathe those who do stand up for hat they believe because it exposes their own cowardice.


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    #1455
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    There is a curfew in The Netherlands. I'm not saying that the curfew will be made permanent but there are huge numbers of Dutch people who don't trust the government and have shown this distrust with demonstrations over the last 3 days.


    I don't think ALL restrictions will be permanent. Kids will need to go back to school. People will want to go to football matches and restaurants, but I can't help but think that there will be limitations and restrictions left in place even if they are totally meaningless and people will just go along with it because they are afraid of being labelled as a rebel or an upstart or a conspiracy theorist.

    OK so all the nonsense about the curfew is totally irrelevant to the thread... Grand no need to talk about it here so.

    What do you think will stay in place and why?

    Personally if someone is sick in the future or I'm sick and getting a bus... I'll wear a mask.. Cause they work.


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    #1456
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    OK so all the nonsense about the curfew is totally irrelevant to the thread... Grand no need to talk about it here so.

    What do you think will stay in place and why?

    Personally if someone is sick in the future or I'm sick and getting a bus... I'll wear a mask.. Cause they work.


    Who said this thread only pertains to Ireland? And how do you know masks work? Even the experts can't seem to agree on that.


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    #1457
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Who said this thread only pertains to Ireland? And how do you know masks work? Even the experts can't seem to agree on that.

    There's data and science behind masks working... I think you know this already.

    The thread doesn't have to be just Ireland... But unless you have evidence that a curfew is going to be in place forever... Then it's irrelevant


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    #1458
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Sadly that's the truth and they loathe those who do stand up for hat they believe because it exposes their own cowardice.

    More fantasist nonsense.


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    #1459
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    More fantasist nonsense.

    The truth for some people is far from the reality of the situation.


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    #1460
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    You're the one who doesn't understand. IF social distancing is effective at night then why not have people social distance at night instead of imposing a curfew on them which according to your expert knowledge of pandemics is to stop them mixing and socialising.
    All you do is make excuse after excuse for nonsensical restrictions because you don't ever want to question the glorious government.

    This is incomprehensible.
    And you cherry pick the points I bring up. You do this time and again in every thread. It's mandatory to wear a mask in a shop but not in a church or temple. Where's the logic in that? And don't try to sidestep the question by demanding to know if I think it's a massive lizard-people style invasion of the body-snatchers hoax just to feel good about yourself or to ridicule the question because you can't answer it or you can't answer it with any semblence of sense.

    Another bizarre strawman and rant.

    As for church, it's not yet mandatory to wear masks, likewise in post offices, banks, dentists, medical appointments, restaurants, cafes.

    Why? probably because there are so few people going to church now and those that do go are socially distancing and wearing masks anyway, so there's no requirement to make it mandatory.


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    #1461
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    This is incomprehensible.



    Another bizarre strawman and rant.

    As for church, it's not yet mandatory to wear masks, likewise in post offices, banks, dentists, medical appointments, restaurants, cafes.

    Why? probably because there are so few people going to church now and those that do go are socially distancing and wearing masks anyway, so there's no requirement to make it mandatory.

    Correct, mass (lol) gatherings are banned and only private worship is allowed. In addition churches already have their own mask requirements in place. As well as that most churches are pretty big, social distancing for those that do go isn't difficult.


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    #1462
    GT89
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    The mandatory hotel quarantine sounds like an absolute joke read somewhere it said that the hotels would be policed by private security in the hotel. Private security have no powers of arrest or detention.


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    #1463
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    GT89 wrote: »
    The mandatory hotel quarantine sounds like an absolute joke read somewhere it said that the hotels would be policed by private security in the hotel. Private security have no powers of arrest or detention.

    What has this got to do with the thread? Have you run out of conspiracies?


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    #1464
    sabat
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    So do the pro-lockdown people have a date in mind for when they'll accept that this is permanent and try to do something about it? Society is being systematically destroyed while Varadkar mentioned Christmas restrictions last night.


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    #1465
    PintOfView
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    sabat wrote: »
    So do the pro-lockdown people have a date in mind for when they'll accept that this is permanent and try to do something about it? Society is being systematically destroyed while Varadkar mentioned Christmas restrictions last night.

    What do you propose is the answer to the current situation?
    Would you like the lockdown to be removed, and everything to return to normal?
    If we did that, what do you think would happen to the numbers of Covid cases?


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    #1466
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    sabat wrote: »
    So do the pro-lockdown people have a date in mind for when they'll accept that this is permanent and try to do something about it? Society is being systematically destroyed while Varadkar mentioned Christmas restrictions last night.

    There is zero indication that lockdown is permanent. Feel free to show any sort of evidence otherwise.


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    #1467
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,445 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    GT89 wrote: »
    The mandatory hotel quarantine sounds like an absolute joke read somewhere it said that the hotels would be policed by private security in the hotel. Private security have no powers of arrest or detention.

    It worked in Australia, even Australians returning had to quarantine for 2 weeks


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    #1468
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,580 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    No one has yet pointed out how permanent lockdowns benefit anyone.


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    #1469
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,445 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The Nal wrote: »
    No one has yet pointed out how permanent lockdowns benefit anyone.

    Or even how they would be implemented in a way that everyone would accept them.


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    #1470
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    sabat wrote: »
    Society is being systematically destroyed
    Why do you believe "They" are trying to destroy society?


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    #1471
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    sabat wrote: »
    So do the pro-lockdown people have a date in mind for when they'll accept that this is permanent and try to do something about it? Society is being systematically destroyed while Varadkar mentioned Christmas restrictions last night.

    So many questions. Why is there a "date"? the lockdown is due to the virus. Are you claiming it's something else? if yes, what is that something else?


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