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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9752
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    If the hospital data is correct, we're witnessing an incredible decline in hospitalisation rates. I suppose given the nature of our outbreak - 3 weeks of very high social activity, bookended by very low levels of activity - it is possible that we'll see a sharp fall.

    But this does look suspicious

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  • #9753
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    What are our hospital and icu numbers at today?


  • #9754
    pauly58
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭pauly58


    There was a very good article in The Irish Times this morning by Una Mullally titled The Government failing to lead us. I think they have been woeful. Martin says they will be "cautious & conservative": Pity they weren't in December. Letting the numbers in that they did was madness.

    Asking people to self isolate when they were coming over to visit friends & family was never going to work, if they did there would be no point in them coming. A negative test for visitors should have been brought in ages ago.

    We have 1500 Brazilians wandering around, were any checks done to make sure they were self isolating ? Making them quarantine somewhere secure would have been something.

    I've never had any time for Martin as a Minister but with the likes of Ryan involved as well as Varadkar, it's difficult to take a positive view of our way out of this. All we hear is the Government are considering..... How about the Government are actually doing something.


  • #9755
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    pauly58 wrote: »
    There was a very good article in The Irish Times this morning by Una Mullally titled The Government failing to lead us. I think they have been woeful. Martin says they will be "cautious & conservative": Pity they weren't in December. Letting the numbers in that they did was madness.

    Asking people to self isolate when they were coming over to visit friends & family was never going to work, if they did there would be no point in them coming. A negative test for visitors should have been brought in ages ago.

    We have 1500 Brazilians wandering around, were any checks done to make sure they were self isolating ? Making them quarantine somewhere secure would have been something.

    I've never had any time for Martin as a Minister but with the likes of Ryan involved as well as Varadkar, it's difficult to take a positive view of our way out of this. All we hear is the Government are considering..... How about the Government are actually doing something.


    yes exactly the lack of leadership is very worrying - there's no one to take their place though which is even more concerning. its strange to me and i dont know how other countries do it - but someone with no expertise in a certain area becomes Minister of Finance, Health, Foreign Policy etc. so what value are they really providing if they are not experts in their field. there are alot of fine men and women in ireland who should consider entering politics and they would certainly do a better job.


  • #9756
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    BredonWimsey wrote: »
    yes exactly the lack of leadership is very worrying - there's no one to take their place though which is even more concerning. its strange to me and i dont know how other countries do it - but someone with no expertise in a certain area becomes Minister of Finance, Health, Foreign Policy etc. so what value are they really providing if they are not experts in their field. there are alot of fine men and women in ireland who should consider entering politics and they would certainly do a better job.

    Two Doctors have held the portfolio of MOH both of whom were useless in the role.


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  • #9757
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Two Doctors have held the portfolio of MOH both of whom were useless in the role.

    One of the things I really can't stand is nurses, doctors and consultants giving out about how bad the HSE is. Their only solution is more money, more money, more money. We spend more per capita on the health service than any other country in the EU, and we have the youngest population in the EU. The solution is not money. If nurses and doctors could come up with an actual credible plan to solve the problems, I might listen.


  • #9758
    JacksonHeightsOwn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    One of the things I really can't stand is nurses, doctors and consultants giving out about how bad the HSE is. Their only solution is more money, more money, more money. We spend more per capita on the health service than any other country in the EU, and we have the youngest population in the EU. The solution is not money. If nurses and doctors could come up with an actual credible plan to solve the problems, I might listen.

    Pay them more perhaps?


  • #9759
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    One of the things I really can't stand is nurses, doctors and consultants giving out about how bad the HSE is. Their only solution is more money, more money, more money. We spend more per capita on the health service than any other country in the EU, and we have the youngest population in the EU. The solution is not money. If nurses and doctors could come up with an actual credible plan to solve the problems, I might listen.

    The problem with the health service has always been too many unnecessary people in management that are untouchable because of unions. That's your money sink right there. Investment is definitely needed but its a mexican stand off with the government who are reluctant to throw money at them unless the bloat is sorted.


  • #9760
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    Pay them more perhaps?

    Yep, that should sort it out! :)

    Highest paid nurses and highest paid consultants in the EU


  • #9761
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Drew Harris seems to be doing a fairly good job implementing changes in the Gardai.

    Do we need similar with an outsider appointed in the hse?


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  • #9762
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    If the hospital data is correct, we're witnessing an incredible decline in hospitalisation rates. I suppose given the nature of our outbreak - 3 weeks of very high social activity, bookended by very low levels of activity - it is possible that we'll see a sharp fall.

    But this does look suspicious

    I am inclined to agree with you. I know of many who were not obeying the household restrictions in November but are now. As the numbers got really big really fast a huge amount of people just cut out whatever visiting they were doing previously. I am not convinced that it’s a genuine drop though.


  • #9763
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    The Dutch, previously the only E U nation more placid and obedient to authority than Ireland, now out fighting for their freedom on the streets. I dont know if they are normal people or anti mask nutters, but governments must pay for their lack of clarity and organisation that is causing devestation.

    Meehoe Tony and Leo still doing whatever they want unabated.


  • #9764
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    pauly58 wrote: »
    There was a very good article in The Irish Times this morning by Una Mullally titled The Government failing to lead us. I think they have been woeful. Martin says they will be "cautious & conservative": Pity they weren't in December. Letting the numbers in that they did was madness.

    Asking people to self isolate when they were coming over to visit friends & family was never going to work, if they did there would be no point in them coming. A negative test for visitors should have been brought in ages ago.

    We have 1500 Brazilians wandering around, were any checks done to make sure they were self isolating ? Making them quarantine somewhere secure would have been something.

    I've never had any time for Martin as a Minister but with the likes of Ryan involved as well as Varadkar, it's difficult to take a positive view of our way out of this. All we hear is the Government are considering..... How about the Government are actually doing something.

    Always reactive, never proactive.

    I blame the permanent government too e.g. senior public/civil servants. The Dept of Education, for example, must be run by complete layabouts.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #9765
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    pauly58 wrote: »
    There was a very good article in The Irish Times this morning by Una Mullally titled The Government failing to lead us. I think they have been woeful. Martin says they will be "cautious & conservative": Pity they weren't in December. Letting the numbers in that they did was madness.

    Asking people to self isolate when they were coming over to visit friends & family was never going to work, if they did there would be no point in them coming. A negative test for visitors should have been brought in ages ago.

    We have 1500 Brazilians wandering around, were any checks done to make sure they were self isolating ? Making them quarantine somewhere secure would have been something.

    I've never had any time for Martin as a Minister but with the likes of Ryan involved as well as Varadkar, it's difficult to take a positive view of our way out of this. All we hear is the Government are considering..... How about the Government are actually doing something.


    Eamon ryan has fought tooth and nail not to restrict travellers. He only reluctantly brought in a a negative pcr test requirement pre travel from some countries after massive pressure from nephet and the opposition. He also completely rejected the Nephets plea that travellers be tested 5 days after arrival as well.

    He was also been behind the ridiculous travel forms that nobody follows up on.

    More smoke and mirrors today from him that south Africans without a pcr test will be quarantined. As if that shouldnt have been an obvious corollary once the initial ban was brought in from those countries.

    90 percent in a recent poll are now asking fo real quarantine, as are the opposition and Nephet.

    I dont say this lightly, him and whoever else that have been slyly and deliberately thwarting attempts to restrict travel have blood on his hands.


  • #9766
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    mohawk wrote: »
    I am inclined to agree with you. I know of many who were not obeying the household restrictions in November but are now. As the numbers got really big really fast a huge amount of people just cut out whatever visiting they were doing previously. I am not convinced that it’s a genuine drop though.

    I think the drastic rise cases shocked many. I certainly never expected cases to go as high they did after Christmas. I expected a significant rise but definitely not what we saw.


  • #9767
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    froog wrote: »
    The problem with the health service has always been too many unnecessary people in management that are untouchable because of unions. That's your money sink right there. Investment is definitely needed but its a mexican stand off with the government who are reluctant to throw money at them unless the bloat is sorted.


    Need admin staff to cover this :


    " The State is facing a liability of almost €2.8 billion to fund future personal injury and property claims against the Health Service Executive.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/state-faces-2-8bn-in-hse-legal-claims-1.3921203


  • #9768
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,162 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Some good news here:

    https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1353698953108353024


  • #9769
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Has information been published on the growth or decline of the English variant. Our overall numbers are declining nicely (imo), but
    is the English variant still growing or is that too in decline?


  • #9770
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,048 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Some good news here:

    https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1353698953108353024

    Very happy to see this.


  • #9771
    BredonWimsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭BredonWimsey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Two Doctors have held the portfolio of MOH both of whom were useless in the role.


    i dont necessarily think a doctor has the necessary experience to head up the position of MOH - u need someone who is an expert in writing, implementing or adopting health policy and strategy whether it is as the head of a hospital or someone who has been trained to do such whether it is in education or grassroots or prior consulting roles. these ministers dont have a particular expertise in areas that require it.


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  • #9772
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Eamon ryan has fought tooth and nail not to restrict travellers. He only reluctantly brought in a a negative pcr test requirement pre travel from some countries after massive pressure from nephet and the opposition. He also completely rejected the Nephets plea that travellers be tested 5 days after arrival as well.

    He was also been behind the ridiculous travel forms that nobody follows up on.

    More smoke and mirrors today from him that south Africans without a pcr test will be quarantined. As if that shouldnt have been an obvious corollary once the initial ban was brought in from those countries.

    90 percent in a recent poll are now asking fo real quarantine, as are the opposition and Nephet.

    I dont say this lightly, him and whoever else that have been slyly and deliberately thwarting attempts to restrict travel have blood on his hands.

    I think part of the issue regarding travel controls is that our 2 traditionally biggest parties are uncomfortable with anything more than the minimum of border control. They do see advantages to it, but reckon nothing is worth the accusations of being called xenophobic or racist. A lot of these politicians are also gunning for EU/UN/International roles in future, where being in favour of lots of immigration is a bare minimum requirement for your CV. So even those with logical reasons for border control have to be seen to do the opposite.

    But every other party in the Dáil are ideologically in favour of open borders and almost any form of control is anathema to them.

    As a result the center of gravity on border control leans heavily towards doing as little as possible and we get the deliberately useless measures we've seen so far.


  • #9773
    Pdoghue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    I think part of the issue regarding travel controls is that our 2 traditionally biggest parties are uncomfortable with anything more than the minimum of border control. They do see advantages to it, but reckon nothing is worth the accusations of being called xenophobic or racist. A lot of these politicians are also gunning for EU/UN/International roles in future, where being in favour of lots of immigration is a bare minimum requirement for your CV. So even those with logical reasons for border control have to be seen to do the opposite.

    But every other party in the Dáil are ideologically in favour of open borders and almost any form of control is anathema to them.

    As a result the center of gravity on border control leans heavily towards doing as little as possible and we get the deliberately useless measures we've seen so far.

    Interesting point of view. We are very eager to have a go at the DUP for not having stricter travel restrictions between GB and NI, but your theory about the Dail parties and TDs putting political considerations above health concerns may have a ring of truth to it.


  • #9774
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Some good news here:

    https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1353698953108353024

    If you read the full story its less positive. The SA variant caused a six fold decrease in (i think) antibodies but Moderna still think its vaccine should be effective against it - but it could reduce duration of effectiveness. Not all good news I'm afraid (to my very unscientific way of reading it)


  • #9775
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    froog wrote: »
    The problem with the health service has always been too many unnecessary people in management that are untouchable because of unions. That's your money sink right there. Investment is definitely needed but its a mexican stand off with the government who are reluctant to throw money at them unless the bloat is sorted.

    This ain't true, for a number of reasons. If these managers are not doing their job then the union's can't protect them, on the flip side you don't sack people for no reason. Given the age profile of management in the HSE anyway there is no need to fire people to reduce the management numbers, you just don't hire replacements once people retire.

    Financial investment is not required, not even a little. We have a well funded public health system.


  • #9776
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Am i correct in thinking that once someone has the vaccine, after the immunity has taken hold, (2 weeks?), they can still get Covid but have very mild to no symptoms?
    in this case they can also still pass on covid to someone who hasn't been vaccinated? (albeit it at a much less transmissible rate, but still possible.)
    are people being told this when they get the vaccine?

    or am i totally wrong here?


  • #9777
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    This ain't true, for a number of reasons. If these managers are not doing their job then the union's can't protect them, on the flip side you don't sack people for no reason. Given the age profile of management in the HSE anyway there is no need to fire people to reduce the management numbers, you just don't hire replacements once people retire.

    Financial investment is not required, not even a little. We have a well funded public health system.

    I can't be bothered getting into this with you to be honest and its off topic but every single thing you posted is wrong.


  • #9778
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    You really wonder how it's possible for their death rate to be even close to the EU one. I guess a mix of under-reporting and being summer over there at the moment, but damn.
    I think also a relatively young population.


  • #9779
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Am i correct in thinking that once someone has the vaccine, after the immunity has taken hold, (2 weeks?), they can still get Covid but have very mild to no symptoms?
    in this case they can also still pass on covid to someone who hasn't been vaccinated? (albeit it at a much less transmissible rate, but still possible.)
    are people being told this when they get the vaccine?

    or am i totally wrong here?

    You're correct


  • #9780
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    froog wrote: »
    I can't be bothered getting into this with you to be honest and its off topic but every single thing you posted is wrong.

    It's not like, but you do what you want.


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  • #9781
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Am i correct in thinking that once someone has the vaccine, after the immunity has taken hold, (2 weeks?), they can still get Covid but have very mild to no symptoms?
    in this case they can also still pass on covid to someone who hasn't been vaccinated? (albeit it at a much less transmissible rate, but still possible.)
    are people being told this when they get the vaccine?

    or am i totally wrong here?
    All of the below is my understanding of how it works:

    Yes, you can probably catch covid if you are vaccinated but because you are vaccinated you probably won't notice and probably have no symptoms, this is how it is supposed to work.

    There is no evidence that a vaccinated person who catches covid (most probably without noticing) will not be infectious, the opposite is also true, there is also no evidence that a vaccinated person will be infectious.


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