Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

But the UK is a strong independent country who don't need no EU ?

Next you'll be telling me the UK won't benefit from new EU consumer protections. Little costs but they add up over time.

It's another one of the costs of Brexit



But hey, blue passports !

These kind of glib posts add nothing to the discussion tbh.

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Kind of hard not to be glib when looking at the mess Brexit is.

There is nothing interesting with endless "I told you so" posts. Is like we haven't moved on from 2016 in many cases.

Yeah, it's a mess, the how and the why of it is a lot more interesting than self righteous posting. At least that can be engaged with.

mrunsure wrote: »

You'll have to show me. I have looked and looked but can't find it.

There's this for starters; non-lucrative visa first, then apply for permanent residency:

How to apply for Spanish residence in Spain
Remember, if you are from a non-European Union country and are not married to a European Union citizen, you will need a visa before you get the Spanish residency card (one of the most common visas is the Spanish non-lucrative visa).

You can continue from there if you like.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There is nothing interesting with endless "I told you so" posts. Is like we haven't moved on from 2016 in many cases.

Yeah, it's a mess, the how and the why of it is a lot more interesting than self righteous posting. At least that can be engaged with.

The how and the why isn't hard to grasp.

Morons voted for a moronic thing with a moronic outcome because they listened to morons.

What more is there to say about how and why Brexit happened?

As for the outcomes, what's wrong with posting examples of the real-world consequences of Brexit after 4.5 years of listening to shrill 'Project Fear' denials?

Apart from showing just how Brexit is affecting trade and investment, they can be used to illustrate why leaving a single market and a customs union after decades is a moronic idea.

Here's a particularly vivid example. The obscenity of this in a society where millions rely on foodbanks, where a reluctant government has to be dragged kicking and screaming into handing out food parcels (that cost £30 but contain £5 worth of food) to kids by a football player.

yagan wrote: »

Brexit is the biggest geopolitical event in western Europe since 1945, and of the whole continent since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

For Ireland it's probably the biggest economic realignment ever, the insularity of the GB economic drift being in direct proportion of Ireland's increased trade growth beyond our neighbour.

This is going to have a huge societal impact as we get more direct exposure to the continent while lessening our Irish Sea ties.

Observing that drift and checking off the predictions is not an exercise in self righteousness. What Irish businesses eschewed preparing for Brexit lest they thought they'd be seen as glouting?

But yeah, blue passports, says absolutely nothing about the impact on business or society generally. It's a glib, self righteous remark with its only intention to show that the author was right.

Arguably Suez was a much greater crisis for both the UK and France geopolitically than Brexit. The three day week was a greater crisis for the UK, if you want to contextualize it more domestically.

sondagefaux wrote: »

Ther's this for starters; non-lucrative visa first, then apply for permanent residency:


You can continue from there if you like.

That is what I said yesterday. For the non-lucrative visa you need to prove income and get health insurance. The first time you apply the visa is for one year. Then you can renew it for a further two years, and then again for another two years. So you need to have the proof of income and health insurance for the first five years. Then you can apply for permanent residency, and at that point I believe you no longer need to prove income and you can use the Spanish public health system.

I spent a lot of time researching this in 2016 when I was in despair, trying to find a way of getting around Brexit. The advantage of this visa is that you don't need to spend the whole year in Spain and you can spend a lot of time in other parts of the Schengen Area as long as you spend half the year in Spain. There is some debate whether you are allowed to remote work using this visa. I was considering getting this visa in the future but I'm now thinking more along the lines of moving to Ireland and getting naturalised after five years. As I said in an earlier post, I would have left in 2016 but my partner wants to continue doing her job in England until retirement.

mrunsure wrote: »

That is what I said yesterday. For the non-lucrative visa you need to prove income and get health insurance. The first time you apply the visa is for one year. Then you can renew it for a further two years, and then again for another two years. So you need to have the proof of income and health insurance for the first five years. Then you can apply for permanent residency, and at that point I believe you no longer need to prove income and you can use the Spanish public health system.

I spent a lot of time researching this in 2016 when I was in despair, trying to find a way of getting around Brexit. The advantage of this visa is that you don't need to spend the whole year in Spain and you can spend a lot of time in other parts of the Schengen Area as long as you spend half the year in Spain. There is some debate whether you are allowed to remote work using this visa. I was considering getting this visa in the future but I'm now thinking more along the lines of moving to Ireland and getting naturalised after five years. As I said in an earlier post, I would have left in 2016 but my partner wants to continue doing her job in England until retirement.

Naturalised Irish citizenship can be revoked if you live outside Ireland for 7 years or more. You need to confirm you intend to keep it to prevent that from happening.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html#l09afb

listermint wrote: »

Why. We've only seen rollbacks on rights three weeks in.

Example. Working time directive, driving hours.

What specific positives is it that you've have seen to make such a statement and name them.

Have they already messed with the working time directive ?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so we haven't seen a rollback of workers rights in the last 3 weeks....

In fairness it would take longer than 3 weeks but it's in the Tories sights

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/12-unions-warn-boris-johnson-23381319?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

They never liked the 48hr cap.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They do seem keen to dismantle that alright. No surprise that Kwasi Kwarteng is involved. He's a co-author of Britannia Unchained, a diatribe about how lazy British people are penned by people who were born into privilege.

Co-written by Raab, Patel, Truss, Skidmore and our friend Kwarteng. From Britannia Unchained:

"If we are to take advantage of these opportunities, we must get on the side of the responsible, the hardworking and the brave."

"We must stop bailing out the reckless, avoiding all risk and rewarding laziness."

"Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor."