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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9602
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No idea how this Brazil mutation started

    https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1353159294879981568

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #9603
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    If cases are around the same level as October when we did 6 weeks lockdown. Shouldn't we be looking at most, 6 weeks from now before lifting some restrictions? Obviously a bit slower this time.


  • #9604
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    I’m in Spain And everybody has to wear a mask in public.......unless your jogging or cycling.

    Why not the joggers or cyclists ? I don’t get that ?


  • #9605
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,121 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    brickster69 wrote: »
    No idea how this Brazil mutation started

    https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1353159294879981568

    1014 deaths per 1m. Sure he's just being a smart ass.


  • #9606
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Why not the joggers or cyclists ? I don’t get that ?

    Presumably it's deeply unpleasant trying to breathe through a mask when you are working out? Try jogging with a mask on and let us know how you get on.


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  • #9607
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    The time for doom is over, we have done really well at crushing this surge, we should have a positive outlook and constructive discussions on how to maintain low spread once we get figures down into the 100s, likely by mid-Feb.

    The hysteria around travel is mis-placed, the surge may have been aided by the new variant (that is very much open to debate though, it seems widely accepted now which is a bit scary as there is no hard evidence).

    The simple truth is there was a huge amount of socializing from early December, this was when cases were still around 300 per day with community transmission..

    We did this to ourselves, 'd bleedin foreigners' didn't do this or cause this.

    It is great to have a scapegoat to kick and blame though, it can deflect from the truth that lots of us let our guards down over December and it cost us.


  • #9608
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Presumably it's deeply unpleasant trying to breathe through a mask when you are working out? Try jogging with a mask on and let us know how you get on.

    Ah ! So they do breathe heavier ! My point entirely


  • #9609
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Ah ! So they do breathe heavier ! My point entirely

    Possibly sweating so they're damp makes them less effective that they become pointless


  • #9610
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Why not the joggers or cyclists ? I don’t get that ?

    I suppose it’s just not easy to run with a mask on.
    I’m no expert but I don’t think there has been many cases linked with people Briefly passing each other outside.

    Whatever happened to ‘viral load’ and the 15 minutes Rule for close contact. Cases in Ireland and elsewhere went haywire over Christmas because people spent long periods in confined conditions Together not because they walked by a jogger.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #9611
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    titan18 wrote: »
    Possibly sweating so they're damp makes them less effective that they become pointless


    I know that choirs were a big spreading risk ad they were blowing out under pressure when singing . I would presume any exercise including jogging would have a similar risk ?


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  • #9612
    New2Dubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭New2Dubs


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Does anyone else think joggers and runners should be asked to wear masks when running . ? We walk in parks within 5k and constantly have to step aside from puffing and blowing joggers . They pass us out and we have to wait and not step straight into their blown out breath

    When I’m running I go out of my way to avoid others for this very reason, I would hate for someone to think I was puffing near them. I’ll run on road if needs be. I don’t think you can generalise that runners are the worst offenders. I give up on groups walking 3 or 4 abreast - the 2 metre rule has gone out the window for some.


  • #9613
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    I suppose it’s just not easy to run with a mask on.
    I’m no expert but I don’t think there has been many cases linked with people Briefly passing each other outside.

    Whatever happened to ‘viral load’ and the 15 minutes Rule for close contact. Cases in Ireland and elsewhere went haywire over Christmas because people spent long periods in confined conditions Together not because they walked by a jogger.

    Yeh fair enough , it is probably a low risk all right . But being honest I avoid stepping into their jet stream if I can !


  • #9614
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I know that choirs were a big spreading risk ad they were blowing out under pressure when singing . I would presume any exercise including jogging would have a similar risk ?

    Choirs don't generally move do they? And would assume they're mostly indoors?
    How many people are in a choir ? How long are they singing together

    Joggers jogging on their own is very very low risk.

    The 2 aren't comparable at all imo.


  • #9615
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    The time for doom is over, we have done really well at crushing this surge, we should have a positive outlook and constructive discussions on how to maintain low spread once we get figures down into the 100s, likely by mid-Feb.

    The hysteria around travel is mis-placed, the surge may have been aided by the new variant (that is very much open to debate though, it seems widely accepted now which is a bit scary as there is no hard evidence).

    The simple truth is there was a huge amount of socializing from early December, this was when cases were still around 300 per day with community transmission..

    We did this to ourselves, 'd bleedin foreigners' didn't do this or cause this.

    It is great to have a scapegoat to kick and blame though, it can deflect from the truth that lots of us let our guards down over December and it cost us.


    There was nothing said about foreigners. The people returning to Ireland are mainly Irish people abroad.


  • #9616
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    New2Dubs wrote: »
    When I’m running I go out of my way to avoid others for this very reason, I would hate for someone to think I was puffing near them. I’ll run on road if needs be. I don’t think you can generalise that runners are the worst offenders. I give up on groups walking 3 or 4 abreast - the 2 metre rule has gone out the window for some.

    Fair play to you . I didn’t actually say they were the worst offenders . I agree totally about the four abreast though


  • #9617
    Technophobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Technophobe


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    They must be countless dead people in their homes not discovered around the country.

    Yes, thousands of bodies I'd say.. sweet Jesus


  • #9618
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Fair play to you . I didn’t actually say they were the worst offenders . I agree totally about the four abreast though

    Pavement hoggers are the worst. I'm a very fast walker and have a dog. I spend half the time on the road these days trying to get around the amblers :pac:


  • #9619
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭ax530


    I have attempted jogging with mask on I found it very difficult. Wanted to give it a go.
    Was on a quiet country road I put it on when saw people approaching.


  • #9620
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    ax530 wrote: »
    I have attempted jogging with mask on I found it very difficult. Wanted to give it a go.
    Was on a quiet country road I put it on when saw people approaching.

    It's doable, but it sucks bad (I run a lot). I don't see why it should be required when the official guidelines don't mandate any mask outside (rightly so, if you ask me). Maybe when everyone has we can talk about that.


  • #9621
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,305 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    The time for doom is over, we have done really well at crushing this surge, we should have a positive outlook and constructive discussions on how to maintain low spread once we get figures down into the 100s, likely by mid-Feb.

    The hysteria around travel is mis-placed, the surge may have been aided by the new variant (that is very much open to debate though, it seems widely accepted now which is a bit scary as there is no hard evidence).

    The simple truth is there was a huge amount of socializing from early December, this was when cases were still around 300 per day with community transmission..

    We did this to ourselves, 'd bleedin foreigners' didn't do this or cause this.

    It is great to have a scapegoat to kick and blame though, it can deflect from the truth that lots of us let our guards down over December and it cost us.

    That is the really really scary bit. The amount of stuff that ends up in the papers and elsewhere as fact simply by virtue of having been repeated often enough. There is zero hard evidence that this so-called UK variant is more transmissible or more lethal. Zero.

    But Boris ran with it as a cop out to his bad numbers and the media are just fkn loving it and its now a repeated und seemingly undisputed fact.

    The way we as a supposedly educated and modern society carry on in this is absolutely pathetic.

    I mean think about it. Its now a year into it and we still have no idea of true case numbers, no idea of the main spread channels, no idea of prevalence, no idea why a significant amount of people have pre-existing immunity. We have no idea about any-fkn-thing that is important in this. And seemingly no plan to get there either. But we suspend democracy and shut down entire continents and are fretting in some perpetual panic state ever since.

    And nobody finds that even to be a major talking point. People just lapping everything up, 'ah sure its a novel virus. And the experts know best.'

    Had you made a movie with this 2 years ago people would have laughed about it.


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  • #9622
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    That is the really really scary bit. The amount of stuff that ends up in the papers and elsewhere as fact simply by virtue of having been repeated often enough. There is zero hard evidence that this so-called UK variant is more transmissible or more lethal. Zero.

    But Boris ran with it as a cop out to his bad numbers and the media are just fkn loving it and its now a repeated und seemingly undisputed fact.

    The way we as a supposedly educated and modern society carry on in this is absolutely pathetic.

    I mean think about it. Its now a year into it and we still have no idea of true case numbers, no idea of the main spread channels, no idea of prevalence, no idea why a significant amount of people have pre-existing immunity. We have no idea about any-fkn-thing that is important in this. And seemingly no plan to get there either. But we suspend democracy and shut down entire continents and are fretting in some perpetual panic state ever since.

    And nobody finds that even to be a major talking point. People just lapping everything up, 'ah sure its a novel virus. And the experts know best.'

    Had you made a movie with this 2 years ago people would have laughed about it.

    Finding this aspect of the pandemic really frustrating too. The lack of reliable information, so much disinformation, media focusing almost exclusively on negatives. The whole thing would have been a lot less stressful if we were able to just get on with it.


  • #9623
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yeh fair enough , it is probably a low risk all right . But being honest I avoid stepping into their jet stream if I can !

    If the viral load theory at infection is correct, catching it from one puff off a jogger could mean getting it asymptomaticly. Happy days, until you pass it on to your ma :(


  • #9624
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    HSE operations report 24/1.

    Covid cases hospitalised as of 8pm 1930 - increase from 1893.
    9 hospitals with over 100 cases.

    ICU confirmed Covid cases as of 6.30pm 219 - increase from 214.
    4 deaths in ICU 24 hours up to 8am.
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 132 as of 6.30pm - increase from 131.

    Available ICU beds 25 as of 6.30pm.
    10 ICUs with no available beds.
    Total open and staffed ICU beds 345.


  • #9625
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    titan18 wrote: »
    Possibly sweating so they're damp makes them less effective that they become pointless

    Yeah it's seriously difficult to breathe through a damp mask.

    It's like wearing a raincoat. When it's dry, you don't sweat too much under it. When the outside of the jacket gets wet, you sweat like a bitch as vapour can't pass through the wet jacket as easily.


  • #9626
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    345 staffed ICU beds is that a record?


  • #9627
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,305 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Finding this aspect of the pandemic really frustrating too. The lack of reliable information, so much disinformation, media focusing almost exclusively on negatives. The whole thing would have been a lot less stressful if we were able to just get on with it.

    I don't just find it frustrating. I find it infuriating.

    I have full sympathy with people who go over the edge and start thinking this is some sort of conspiracy. Because rationally we couldnt possibly be this stupid.

    Only thing that stops me personally going into the CT camp is that I do believe we can indeed be this stupid. Plenty of evidence for that.


  • #9628
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Does anyone know if there's an up to date source for finding out the prevalance of the B117 (UK Variant). The continued decline in case numbers is very comforting, I'm wondering what percentage of cases are the new variant.


  • #9629
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    Numbers are nearly there to get schools back. Norma needs to buck up this week and make it happening.


  • #9630
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Do you think its ok that they blow out there breath while passing others ?
    If I was standing in a Supermarket queue puffing and panting my breath like that I am almost sure people would be annoyed

    Dunno where you're walking but when I'm running I'm not puffing and panting unless I'm doing a session and you're not going to be doing that where there is a lot of foot traffic and pavement hoggers etc https://www.independent.ie/life/five-types-of-people-you-meet-within-your-5km-exercise-route-39980825.html
    The worst are the people who walk on the right side of the path when the person in 5m ahead of them going in same direction is on the left. Walk on the same side you divs...where do you expect people coming in other direction to go? :rolleyes:
    People on foot have always been ignoran. People who don't even acknowledge someone who has clearly moved onto mud/grass/the road. :mad:

    Anyway, I don't believe there is any evidence to say 'joggers' are any more likely to pass on covid to you while outdoors than a walker you pass might.


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  • #9631
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Turtwig wrote: »
    345 staffed ICU beds is that a record?

    Nope, first wave we have well over 420 open and staffed.
    Just a random day I checked: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-updates-20-00-24-april-2020.pdf
    The beds and equipment I'd assume are still there, but I'd say it's the staff which is effecting it, as we know it takes a whole team per ICU bed.

    But fair play to those involved, every day they seem to be opening up additional manned ICU beds. I can't imagine the pressure they are under.


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