Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Windmill100000 · 24-01-2021 05:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, what you're saying here is rather the point.

"Those that make the rules" seem to be listening to those that are focused on Covid as a health emergency. Those that are focused on Covid as a health emergency certainly have their (large) part to play and offer valuable insight as far as this singular virus goes, but the government is responsible for all matters of health, well-being and economy, and should not be held hostage by single-issue experts lest the "cure" end up worse than the disease.

And if you're cynical (which I am) you might think that politicians are reneging on their responsibility to take a holistic approach in order that, when the full, disastrous measure of the damage is in, they can point the finger at those whose job it is to be single-issue advisers and say "they told us to".

Do you think there will be any change though? If the focus has been on protecting the health of people to date, do you see them doing a sudden turnaround? I personally don't, at least not until this level 5 lifts. Maybe then there will be a shift.

And given that almost all countries have done tbe same (prioritising health) with lockdowns to varying degree, do you see Ireland breaking that mould?

24-01-2021 05:59PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

If the focus has been on protecting the health of people to date

The focus has not been on protecting the health of people. The focus has been on protecting people's health from Covid-19, which is a very different proposition. I imagine that the full cost of that decision will become apparent in time.

Your posts here tend to amount to "the restrictions are the way they are and nobody's listening to you so ner ner". Which might bring a person pleasure I suppose, were they of a particular personality type, but it's not going to do anything to placate those who are concerned about the overall cost of the stricter measures and the dearth of evidence to support their use.

Lundstram · 24-01-2021 06:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The focus has not been on protecting the health of people. The focus has been on protecting people's health from Covid-19, which is a very different proposition.

Couldn't have put it better myself. This is exactly what's happening.

Nothing else matters only Covid19.

Burning down a house to kill a mouse.

24-01-2021 06:06PM

JRant wrote: »

Full agree with you Steve. Unfortunately MM and NPHET seem to be stuck between the 2 stools of Zero COVID and Living with COVID. They are making a complete dog's dinner out of it as a result. They want to get numbers into low hundreds but don't want to quarantine anyone coming in. There has been little to no effort to live with this virus and the constant daily briefs only feed into this.

The only real option we have is to wait for a vaccine now as they have no appetite to beef up the health service or quarantine people so it's lockdowns until they decide we have enough people vaccinated. They also haven't laid out any plan for what they are going to do once we hit that magical number vaccinated. Will we continue to test asymptomatic people or go back to the tried and trusted method of people presenting with symptoms and then test.

The sheer stubbornness of refusing to quarantine arrivals into Ireland is bordering on infuriating. When it has been conclusively proven that are we still importing these more infectious variants. Long irrelevant tangents that nobody brought up about essential freight, who in their right mind wants that to cease? Added with the incredibly jaded finger pointing about "de pubs" and "de virus loves alcohol", when a minuscule proportion of cases/clusters can be attributed to hospitality. The double standards are absurd, and MM has been found out to be a terribly weak leader unable to see the wood for the trees. Button down the air and sea ports now, otherwise our collective work these past few weeks has been for nought.

24-01-2021 06:08PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

I spoke to my mother on the phone last night and she was talking about future plans and said “if we have a lockdown next year or the year after..” honestly frightens me how accepting of lockdowns people have become.

I think it very unlikely that the Irish government will turn to lockdowns as a remedy for the annual healthcare crunch. Not least because it seems to enjoy Ireland's position as a net immigration country.

My family would be gone in a flash, and I'm sure we wouldn't be the only ones.

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 06:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The sheer stubbornness of refusing to quarantine arrivals into Ireland is bordering on infuriating. When it has been conclusively proven that are we still importing these more infectious variants. Long irrelevant tangents that nobody brought up about essential freight, who in their right mind wants that to cease? Added with the incredibly jaded finger pointing about "de pubs" and "de virus loves alcohol", when a minuscule proportion of cases/clusters can be attributed to hospitality. The double standards are absurd, and MM has been found out to be a terribly weak leader unable to see the wood for the trees. Button down the air and sea ports now, otherwise our collective work these past few weeks has been for nought.

have they ever said what the reasoning as I'm at loss for the reasons

Windmill100000 · 24-01-2021 06:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The focus has not been on protecting the health of people. The focus has been on protecting people's health from Covid-19, which is a very different proposition. I imagine that the full cost of that decision will become apparent in time.

Your posts here tend to amount to "the restrictions are the way they are and nobody's listening to you so ner ner". Which might bring a person pleasure I suppose, were they of a particular personality type, but it's not going to do anything to placate those who are concerned about the overall cost of the stricter measures and the dearth of evidence to support their use.

What can I do placate anyone on here? Agree with them? I did t realise that was the role of this thread.

24-01-2021 06:35PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

What can I do placate anyone on here? Agree with them? I did t realise that was the role of this thread.

What is the role of this thread, do you think? What are you looking to achieve with the "it's not going to change" posts? It's not as though anyone's under any illusion on that front.

MonkstownHoop · 24-01-2021 06:36PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

I am sure the poster is over exaggerating on the fighting part

Doubt it, saw the same last year when Lidl decided to release gym/gardening equipment on the same Thursday morning, people were losing their heads, waiting outside the stockroom doors to harass the next employee coming out with anything on a pallet

Windmill100000 · 24-01-2021 06:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What is the role of this thread, do you think? What are you looking to achieve with the "it's not going to change" posts? It's not as though anyone's under any illusion on that front.

Ah, are you saying I'm the only person posting here that will achieve nothing with their posts?

There have been hundreds of posts on here that are not going to achieve anything. Funny how you are zoning in on mine, although hardly unexpected

24-01-2021 06:50PM

It'll be interesting to see if this growing "The Great Reopening" thing in the UK, inspired by the "I am open" thing in Italy (which was apparently an actual thing, but far less than the 50,000 restaurants purported to be opening), actually materialises as anything on January 30th.

Whatsisname · 24-01-2021 06:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if this growing "The Great Reopening" thing in the UK, inspired by the "I am open" thing in Italy (which was apparently an actual thing, but far less than the 50,000 restaurants purported to be opening), actually materialises as anything on January 30th.

First I've heard of this and I live here. Theres been various bars and restaurants here in Manchester that have anti-Boris/anti-government graffiti put up on the boardings over their windows. Theres a bar just 30 seconds from me that has written on their door "open next week month year" so theres a growing frustration but I can't see them defying government orders to open unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong though.

Didn't Czech Republic and Poland do something similar to Italy too?

24-01-2021 06:58PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

First I've heard of this and I live here. Theres been various bars and restaurants here in Manchester that have anti-Boris/anti-government graffiti put up on the boardings over their windows. Theres a bar just 30 seconds from me that has written on their door "open next week month year" so theres a growing frustration but I can't see them defying government orders to open unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong though.

Didn't Czech Republic and Poland do something similar to Italy too?

Not sure. I think there have been some riots in Denmark though.

I hope people don't go from lockdown to eff-it because they're so sick of it all. THAT would be disastrous. If predictable.

24-01-2021 07:28PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

You are more likely to catch covid at home than in a big supermarket

That would depend on who is in your home. And it's brought into homes from outside....
There's a reason non essential retail is closed so supermarkets etc are mist definitely a risk to an extent.

Idbatterim · 24-01-2021 08:09PM

Start saving for a rainy day asap if you haven't already would be my advice folks !

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 08:12PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Start saving for a rainy day asap if you haven't already would be my advice folks !

yes saving is key.
save save save
and spend as little as possible.
another thing covid has thought us is that we dont need as many things as we thought we did.
saving money will give you some freedom in life and allow for a back up plan.

SafeSurfer · 24-01-2021 08:15PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Start saving for a rainy day asap if you haven't already would be my advice folks !

Not easy to save when your business has been forced to close but the bills keep coming.

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 08:20PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Not easy to save when your business has been forced to close but the bills keep coming.

very true

do you think gov't is doing enough to support businesses?

CruelSummer · 24-01-2021 08:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well schools are the priority and even they don’t appear to be reopening before Paddy’s day. So I can easily see it been June before we really relax anything other than maybe retail at some point before.

Leaving the 5km is not breaking the rules when there is a legitimate reason.

At this point, I’ve nothing more left to lose. I’ve lost my job, income, social life and health is not great.

They can keep restrictions until the country burns to the ground if they want. They probably will. We’re not far off right now.

It’s sad that so many others will eventually suffer as well but these are the choices that our government are making, while earning 6 figure salaries.

And when it all comes crashing down, I’ll be comfortable in the knowledge that I did not support this strategy at all.

Mind yourself in all this too. I’ve taken breaks from Irish media coverage of late & it’s been great. It’s so Covid centric and the only deviation was to the Mother & Baby homes. Today they’d an opportunity to show good news story with fun in the snow and instead they led the snow story with ‘Snow causing terrible driving conditions’. Thankfully I just turn off now.
Ultimately, we don’t know what exactly is going on behind the scenes and what strings are being pulled and by whom.

FlubberJones · 24-01-2021 08:29PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Start saving for a rainy day asap if you haven't already would be my advice folks !

Its winter in Ireland, there are hundreds of rainy days, any particular one?

Stupid advice, this lockdown is miserable, let people spend on what makes them deal with it better / happier / easier

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 08:35PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Its winter in Ireland, there are hundreds of rainy days, any particular one?

Stupid advice, this lockdown is miserable, let people spend on what makes them deal with it better / happier / easier

its a bit silly IMO to continue to spend frivolously. people should pay bills, save and then if there is anything left over buy something to make them happy. but just mindless spending gets you nowhere.

but that is for each person to discover on their own. i'm certainly not telling people how they should spend their money.

Dr. Bre · 24-01-2021 08:40PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Mind yourself in all this too. I’ve taken breaks from Irish media coverage of late & it’s been great. It’s so Covid centric and the only deviation was to the Mother & Baby homes. Today they’d an opportunity to show good news story with fun in the snow and instead they led the snow story with ‘Snow causing terrible driving conditions’. Thankfully I just turn off now.
Ultimately, we don’t know what exactly is going on behind the scenes and what strings are being pulled and by whom.

I tuned into the American election when it was on just cos it was a break from covid .

retro:electro · 24-01-2021 08:42PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html

56 cases linked to one flight. How many liked to hairdressers and non essential retail? And which industry is currently still open and running and which was swiftly closed and will remain so for the foreseeable.

Hmm..

Dr. Bre · 24-01-2021 08:43PM

retro:electro wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html

56 cases linked to one flight. How many liked to hairdressers and non essential retail? And which industry is currently still open and running and which was swiftly closed and will remain so for the foreseeable.

Hmm..

Yep .!I can’t travel 5k but someone can fly into Ireland and wander about .

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 08:44PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Mind yourself in all this too. I’ve taken breaks from Irish media coverage of late & it’s been great. It’s so Covid centric and the only deviation was to the Mother & Baby homes. Today they’d an opportunity to show good news story with fun in the snow and instead they led the snow story with ‘Snow causing terrible driving conditions’. Thankfully I just turn off now.
Ultimately, we don’t know what exactly is going on behind the scenes and what strings are being pulled and by whom.

yes its very much doom and gloom all the time. i think they've discovered the more gloom the more clicks they will get the more doom the more people will watch. so this media machine plays with our emotions and we are manipulated for their own gain. The media machine doesnt care about us - they want likes and clicks and ratings. im sure the individual journalist does care but they are ghosts within the machine.

JRant · 24-01-2021 09:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The sheer stubbornness of refusing to quarantine arrivals into Ireland is bordering on infuriating. When it has been conclusively proven that are we still importing these more infectious variants. Long irrelevant tangents that nobody brought up about essential freight, who in their right mind wants that to cease? Added with the incredibly jaded finger pointing about "de pubs" and "de virus loves alcohol", when a minuscule proportion of cases/clusters can be attributed to hospitality. The double standards are absurd, and MM has been found out to be a terribly weak leader unable to see the wood for the trees. Button down the air and sea ports now, otherwise our collective work these past few weeks has been for nought.

Pretty much. Didn't Coveney say we didn't want to "hurt" our european neighbours feelings by doing this back in March. What happened in December was an absolute scandal that needs to be seriously looked in to once the dust settles in this. Even still they refuse to budge on it. Mind you Leo said there'd be no quarantine recently which going by his more recent comments means it's definitely happening.

It's going to be very interesting to see what the likes of Germany do in the coming weeks on this issue.

24-01-2021 09:04PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’ve taken breaks from Irish media coverage of late & it’s been great.

I don't watch TV, so I hadn't seen the news until I visited relatives at Christmas. Big pulsating coronavirus model on a blood red background with permanent death figures on screen. Absolutely ridiculous levels of propaganda, like something out of an apocalypse movie. No wonder people think they're living through the black death.

Social media's no better. The user is the product and Facebook sell you to the highest CPC ad bidder. Their entire business model depends on you scrolling for as long as possible, and that happens when you are scared, angry or laughing. Which is exactly the type of material you'll be fed, tailored for you specifically by a very sophisticated set of algorithms.

BredonWimsey · 24-01-2021 09:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't watch TV, so I hadn't seen the news until I visited relatives at Christmas. Big pulsating coronavirus model on a blood red background with permanent death figures on screen. Absolutely ridiculous levels of propaganda, like something out of an apocalypse movie. No wonder people think they're living through the black death.

Social media's no better. The user is the product and Facebook sell you to the highest CPC ad bidder. Their entire business model depends on you scrolling for as long as possible, and that happens when you are scared, angry or laughing. Which is exactly the type of material you'll be fed, tailored for you specifically by a very sophisticated set of algorithms.

great analysis

thebaz · 24-01-2021 09:09PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Start saving for a rainy day asap if you haven't already would be my advice folks !

Why ? Dont think it can get much worse than this

acequion · 24-01-2021 09:37PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

First I've heard of this and I live here. Theres been various bars and restaurants here in Manchester that have anti-Boris/anti-government graffiti put up on the boardings over their windows. Theres a bar just 30 seconds from me that has written on their door "open next week month year" so theres a growing frustration but I can't see them defying government orders to open unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong though.

Didn't Czech Republic and Poland do something similar to Italy too?

Have ye any links to that stuff please? ie Italy, England. I also like to read about an aul bit of civil disobedience :pac: If only to be reassured that there aren't sheep like us Irish everywhere.

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