Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Kunta Kinte

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes but he's already put down strong Roots

spring lane jack

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No. Ordinary people are now questioning the whole strategy.
In the Sunday independent today there was an article about a Garda who tragically took his own life. When this happened it was reported in such a way as to put the entire blame for this tragic death at the feet of Gemma Doherty. Someone I consider to be a despicable human being by the way. However it turns out that, according to his husband, interviewed today, he was not at all bothered by the publicity surrounding a video confrontation with O Doherty and had actually received over a thousand cards and letters thanking him for his stance.
From initial media reports I concluded that his death had been as a result of this incident. However it appears that this is very wide of the mark.
Even this article stating the above facts would lead one to believe that this tragedy occurred “following a confrontation with anti mask conspiracy theorist Gemma O Doherty”.

The inference is basically anyone who questions the dogma of lockdown is akin to hateful Gemma O Doherty.

This is not the case. It is an easy, lazy trope.

I long suspected the media were using Gemma and her sidekick Waters as tools. The fact that the media has to resort to this in an attempt to shame us into following the official Covid19 narrative makes me very suspicious. I have no interest in either of them and pay no attention to what the two of them are on about. They seem to like the attention though. But when I and others like me question the narrative we can be or are labelled as their followers !!

Lillyfae

acequion wrote: »

Sometimes yes but not always. Sometimes it's genuine people who don't agree with the decisions of their leaders and they want to demand change.

The problem in Ireland is if you even so much as open your mouth you get shamed into shutting it by being associated with a lunatic fringe. It's another control tactic and it works.

Well they "genuinely" set a car on fire, threw paving bricks at police and looted shops. Is that lunatic fringe enough for you?

pjohnson

Lillyfae wrote: »

Well they "genuinely" set a car on fire, threw paving bricks at police and looted shops. Is that lunatic fringe enough for you?

Thats what they want for Ireland.

And they wonder why they are ignored by politicians.

average_runner

Europe seems to be ready to rule out summer hols. A year too late though, mandatory hotel quarantine on the table now also at the cost of the individual unless a negative cert issued in the previous 72 hrs.


We should of quarantine anyone coming in over a year ago. Most things would be open now.

Lillyfae

Lillyfae wrote: »

Well they "genuinely" set a car on fire, threw paving bricks at police and looted shops. Is that lunatic fringe enough for you?

You’ll find that a lot of negative behaviour can quickly slip into a society when the government starts forcing huge numbers out of work, punishing people with curfews and implementing ridiculous restrictions on their freedoms.

In a lot of countries, people are not prepared to put up with this. Even though it’s only a fraction of the Irish lockdown.

These type of protests will become more common as people have become more frustrated with merely existing.

Lillyfae

Deleted User wrote: »

You’ll find that a lot of negative behaviour can quickly slip into a society when the government starts forcing huge numbers out of work, punishing people with curfews and implementing ridiculous restrictions on their freedoms.

In a lot of countries, people are not prepared to put up with this. Even though it’s only a fraction of the Irish lockdown.

These type of protests will become more common as people have become more frustrated with merely existing.

I can guarantee you a lot of those people didn't need the government to force them out of work. Add to this it was the middle of the day so it has little to do with the curfew in actuality. City centre dwellers couldn't leave their homes and people working on online orders in shops were also put in danger.

There's a saying in the Netherlands- "Doe normaal"- basically, behave yourself, don't cause a nuisance for other people. The normal citizens of Eindhoven are angry with rioters who converged on their city. They are as we speak clearing up glass, ashes and the paving stones that hooligans, not even from Eindhoven, ripped up with their hands to throw at police.

Keyzer

Whatsisname wrote: »

June is actually mental.

Even if everyone is offered a vaccine by September, there’ll 100% be screams for lockdowns come next Winter, especially as the parasites in the media will push out as many headlines as they can about hospitals being overrun. Whether that’s from covid or the flu, I don’t even think it matters. The precedent has been set now.

I spoke to my mother on the phone last night and she was talking about future plans and said “if we have a lockdown next year or the year after..” honestly frightens me how accepting of lockdowns people have become.

I’ve even seen people justify lockdowns right now by saying “ah January is a **** month anyway.” Which has now led to “February is crap anyway”, are we just shutting down society on months we don’t like now? I was never a fan of October, let’s stop having an October.

The future feels very bleak.

What's the alternative then?

Scrap the restrictions and let everyone just go back to normal? Do you have any idea of the potential catastrophic consequences of doing this?

Lockdowns are a pain the @rse, I'm sick of it at this stage but I'm going to adhere to the restrictions for the sake of my health and my families health.

Keyzer

average_runner wrote: »

We should of quarantine anyone coming in over a year ago. Most things would be open now.

You have absolutely no idea or evidence this would have been the case.

Boggles

Lillyfae wrote: »

Well they "genuinely" set a car on fire, threw paving bricks at police and looted shops. Is that lunatic fringe enough for you?

Bunch of cosplay Nazi wannabes, hopefully the cops leathered them.

Lillyfae

Lillyfae wrote: »

I can guarantee you a lot of those people didn't need the government to force them out of work. Add to this it was the middle of the day so it has little to do with the curfew in actuality. City centre dwellers couldn't leave their homes and people working on online orders in shops were also put in danger.

There's a saying in the Netherlands- "Doe normaal"- basically, behave yourself, don't cause a nuisance for other people. The normal citizens of Eindhoven are angry with rioters who converged on their city. They are as we speak clearing up glass, ashes and the paving stones that hooligans, not even from Eindhoven, ripped up with their hands to throw at police.

I didn’t say you have to like it, but you’ll have to deal with it.

They weren’t out rioting or protesting before Covid were they?

Wonder what changed?

opinionated3

Keyzer wrote: »

What's the alternative then?

Scrap the restrictions and let everyone just go back to normal? Do you have any idea of the potential catastrophic consequences of doing this?

Lockdowns are a pain the @rse, I'm sick of it at this stage but I'm going to adhere to the restrictions for the sake of my health and my families health.

But I suppose the question is for how long? ( Not having a go at you btw)

Lillyfae

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn’t say you have to like it, but you’ll have to deal with it.

They weren’t out rioting or protesting before Covid were they?

Wonder what changed?

Their screen time. We should ban the internet.

Ginger n Lemon

I am so excited for these protests. Finally. Rumour has it Italy wants to exit EU next, why? Well due to lockdown recommendations coming from Brussels.

If history teaches us anything is that sitting at home and complaining doesnt actually achieve anything. Ever. Funny that - sitting at home is just the thing we are encouraged to do!

emeldc

SafeSurfer wrote: »

How many people would that be?

Nice.
Obviously not many belonging to you.

Ginger n Lemon

Whatsisname wrote: »

If you use reddit, this is a good subreddit to follow, it can get a bit too American sometimes, but other than that it's usually a good source of information, and far from the lunatics the media would have you often believe.

Czech Republic

Czech hosts open despite tough corona rules

Italy

This is civil disobedience restaurants in Rome defy coronavirus closures

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1350232937376215042?s=20

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1350243773872222208?s=20

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1350245402671509504?s=20

Poland

More and more Poles are resisting Corona measures - with the help of the judiciaryl

https://twitter.com/otwieramy/status/1348602099089682432?s=20

For what its worth, on the CoronavirusUK subreddit, which has been a largely "we need to lockdown NOW REEEE" sub for months, more and more people are increasingly fed up of the goal posting shifting and March seems to be the breaking point for most. I've seen a lot of people say that if we're still restricted in March, they would join the protests.

Once the most vulnerable are vaccinated, people will do what they want, and rightly so.

Best post / piece of news in the last 6 months.

Ginger n Lemon

I am back. I am re energised.

I have been reading some posts here throughout last few months.

Jacdaniels, Lundstram, Fintan always spot on.

Keyzer

Keyzer wrote: »

What's the alternative then?

Scrap the restrictions and let everyone just go back to normal?

Why are so many people under the impression that the only options are "full lockdown closed borders" or "eff-it all, lick doorknobs and let 'er rip"?

There are plenty of less restrictive measures, including social distancing and hygiene practices, that are effective at stopping the spread. And plenty of businesses fitted out for social distancing at great cost to the business owners after the first lockdown.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are so many people under the impression that the only options are "full lockdown closed borders" or "eff-it all, lick doorknobs and let 'er rip"?

There are plenty of less restrictive measures, including social distancing and hygiene practices, that are effective at stopping the spread. And plenty of businesses fitted out for social distancing at great cost to the business owners after the first lockdown.

Because people have been brainwashed through constant fear mongering, not only on RTE and Irish times but also twitter, FB etc.

You google "Danish mask study", 2 of them top 4 results have "Curious case of Danish mask study" and "Here's how to think about the Danish mask study".

Speechless stuff. Here is how to think about x y z. Google sure treats people like imbeciles.

"Here's how to think about..." is surely the creepiest and most evil headline starter. Like we all need to be taught how to think about scientific studies by someone with a 2:2 in journalism. Sit down.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

"Here's how to think about..." is surely the creepiest and most evil headline starter. Like we all need to be taught how to think about scientific studies by someone with a 2:2 in journalism. Sit down.

Again you are obviously commenting on things you haven't read.

Both are arguing the study should not have been pulled.

Also the author of the 2nd article is not a journalist

is a practicing hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco.

Hilarious. :pac::pac::pac:

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Google sure treats people like imbeciles.

Also, somewhat off-topic but Google is propagandistic crap from front to back. Duckduckgo is my go-to, at least until blockchain-based search engines up their game enough to compete.

Degoogling is the best thing you'll do for your privacy, and deleting "big tech" social media and switching to privacy-centric messenger apps and interest-based communities is the best thing you'll do for your mental health and ability to think.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Again you are obviously commenting on things you haven't read.

I'm commenting on the use of "Here's how to think about" as a headline starter. Sit down.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm commenting on the use of "Here's how to think about" as a headline starter. Sit down.

Sit down and read something lad. Absolute parody.

:pac:

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Sit down and read something lad.

:pac:

I'm sure you're very amused with yourself, but you really ought not clog up this thread with your weird obsession with me. Write letters and toss them in the bin, none of us will mind.

Needless to say, I shan't be replying to you again unless you've something substantial to engage with. So this may be the end of the line for us, chum. It's been lit.

paw patrol

Russman wrote: »

Or it could be that those who think we could open up and let covid rip through the population are in fact, the lunatic fringe. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.......

Deleted User wrote: »

Did somebody suggest that?

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Who suggested that?

apologies for the late reply as I don't really post at weekends.
I say this - to a large degree.

A few random points below - I hadn't planned on a televised declaration of intent so its not a prepared statement.

I don't think covid is a fake its real. But its' over hyped and has caused mass hysteria.
I am concerned myself with the loss of personal liberty and that's fine if people don't think that is important. But it is to me.
Your fear shouldn't give you the right to control me.
Sadly I seem to be almost alone on that view. Be a free thinker they told me as a kid in school but forgot to add except when public opinion is against you :pac:

We should have behaved like Sweden and protected the vulnerable in hospitals and nursing homes. Offered support in the community for those at risk.
Be a lot cheaper to do this than pascals current spending plan.

(apologies for repeating again!)
But that would place the onus on the government to do something and be seen to do it. Better to place the onus on the population and then find teenagers or pint drinkers are scapegoats in the media.

We could have health suggestions like japan and enforce basic hygiene rules and simple easy to implement measures that cost next to nothing.

• Advise people to be less fat
• distribute vitamin d and zinc

keep working from home if it means less crowds on public transport, if that is what you want.
tbh I like working from home but id give it up to scrap the levels.


a year into this -
we are confined to houses bar essential journeys. Gyms closed, Takeaways and supermarkets doing a roaring trade. People boozing and cocaine-ing like mad.
I'm a little bit guilty myself of over consumption and partying more than my norm- was 7kg up from Feb to July and had to take steps to address that.

The reports are clear....covid attacks those with "conditions" more than others. Yet we are implementing a lifestyle on the whole nation that only increases these "conditions" - any report will tell you that most cancers (and others) are caused by lifestyle.

That's bananas.

We've bet the house on vaccines we aren't sure of - plenty of "it's too early to say" answers to how effective they are against covid or is it just the symptoms.

this is no way to live for the 99.9% survival rate.

Or current approach is folly if the boarders are open.
Can you close the boarder for how long? What happens when you open back up?

I'll be back later to read the abuse.

Ginger n Lemon

Boggles wrote: »

Sit down and read something lad. Absolute parody.

:pac:

Boggles you are speaking of parodies??

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sure you're very amused with yourself, but you really ought not clog up this thread with your weird obsession with me.

Go back and read the 2 articles and then read what your wrote.

It is amusing to be fair.

'Bloody google censoring us - oh right they actually are not'

Trust me, no one is obsessed with you.

Boggles

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Boggles you are speaking of parodies??

Speaking of obsessions.

Ginger n Lemon

paw patrol wrote: »

The reports are clear....covid attacks those with "conditions" more than others. Yet we are implementing a lifestyle on the whole nation that only increases these "conditions" - any report will tell you that most cancers (and others) are caused by lifestyle.

That's bananas.

Yes. Yes it is. But hey - only thing matters is what the bold guy says at 6.01. You either follow covid religion or you dont.


I dont.