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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9212
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

    Personally I'm fit and well, therefore I will not get shopping delivered and go myself, so that others who aren't so fortunate can take advantage of the delivery slot I would have otherwise used.

    There's common sense to be used here - for example, I'll go to Tesco which is just about on my 5k compared to my local Supervalu within 2k, just because there is more space within the Tesco store and they have a system to count people in and out to avoid overcrowding.


  • #9213
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What do we do that pushes us in to being part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Where are those lines drawn and who draws them?

    Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

    There is no clear line it is all blurred and changes pretty much daily. I can assure you that there is probably no person living who did not break covid rule or few at some stage in the last 10 months.
    It gets even more complicated as it is believed that this virus was in circulation for way longer. Now even that mystery USA vape illness with number of people ending up on ventilators - some cases of it are now being attributed to covid.


  • #9214
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »
    Personally I'm fit and well, therefore I will not get shopping delivered and go myself, so that others who aren't so fortunate can take advantage of the delivery slot I would have otherwise used.

    There's common sense to be used here - for example, I'll go to Tesco which is just about on my 5k compared to my local Supervalu within 2k, just because there is more space within the Tesco store and they have a system to count people in and out to avoid overcrowding.

    My nearest SuperValu in Churchtown is a great shop in normal times, is an outstanding local employer with a high volume of staff and no doubt minimal profit to the owner, and ordinarily I say hooray to that; but in pandemic I try to shop a bit more in the relatively empty Tesco in Dundrum.


  • #9215
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What do we do that pushes us in to being part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Where are those lines drawn and who draws them?

    Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

    Well like I said commonsense, having personal contact and giving a virus like SARS2 to your loved ones is not commonsense. (I know is sh!t but thats the hand you been dealt). For most people giving a virus to a loved ones is a problem.

    Going to the shops and taking all the precautions is low risk, it’s not that there’s no risk but it’s very low providing everyone follows the guidelines...this not a problem.

    People following the guidelines = Not a huge problem (low risk)
    People not following guidelines = potential Problem (huge risk)

    I understand a lot of people flout the guidelines now and again, but it’s the flouting that has led to the current situation.


  • #9216
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Now even that mystery USA vape illness with number of people ending up on ventilators - some cases of it are now being attributed to covid.

    Have you got a link for that? I was traveling in the US at that time, and I remember it being attributed to black market cartridges and some vitamin additive. As far as I remember it wasn't an unsolved mystery...


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  • #9217
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Do you have brother and sisters, you lost your mother and you had no contact with any of your family. Each to their own I suppose, if you lived 5km down the road would you have gone to the funeral. No I wouldn't hug an elderly relative, the original poster mentioned siblings not elderly relatives.

    That poster lost their mother. It's one of the most horrible things in life one can go through, pandemic times aside. Made me sick reading this reply.


  • #9218
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,682 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.

    Was your cat called out after the dove? :D

    To thine own self be true



  • #9219
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.

    I find myself having quite a few of those "despair"days in the last two weeks for some reason. My way out of it is to tell myself that there's always someone out there worse off than you, so basically "man up". I've no idea if that's the right or wrong way to escape but I have to say any optimism of us getting out of this pandemic anytime this year is disappearing by the hour. And those thoughts lead to further anxiety e.g how long will my job survive etc.


  • #9220
    mcgragger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭mcgragger


    Here is where I am at now.
    Like many others im about to crack .
    I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here


  • #9221
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    mcgragger wrote: »
    Here is where I am at now.
    Like many others im about to crack .
    I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here

    Things will get better. The numbers are still high, but dramatically lower than what they were even last week. I tend to look at the glass half empty, but even I must admit that progress is being made.

    Most people out there are doing the right thing and sticking with obeying the rules, otherwise the numbers wouldn't be falling.


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  • #9222
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,735 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    mcgragger wrote: »
    Here is where I am at now.
    Like many others im about to crack .
    I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here

    You have to remember that the majority of the population is doing the right thing and haven't caught the virus.

    Although the numbers are high, they are still a fraction of the population.


  • #9223
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,682 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    NIMAN wrote: »
    You have to remember that the majority of the population is doing the right thing and haven't caught the virus.

    Although the numbers are high, they are still a fraction of the population.

    That's the thought that keeps me going too when I get so fed up and despondent.

    To thine own self be true



  • #9224
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    I find myself having quite a few of those "despair"days in the last two weeks for some reason. My way out of it is to tell myself that there's always someone out there worse off than you, so basically "man up". I've no idea if that's the right or wrong way to escape but I have to say any optimism of us getting out of this pandemic anytime this year is disappearing by the hour. And those thoughts lead to further anxiety e.g how long will my job survive etc.

    I have done that strategy very successfully right up to yesterday. I think this feeling is very natural, they say don't battle with it. I find occasionally with episodes like this it's actually better to "wallow" in it for a few days or so. It's like nature forcing you to hibernate as a defence mechanism and some people think it's got to get "cured". I think I'll go with it, that has worked in the past even if it seems like giving in. Trying to defeat it can too I've over the edge, because it's like you are failing in a battle of morale and self-appreciation. One is not, it's like any "sickness behaviour", curl up and and ride it out.


  • #9225
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Have you got a link for that? I was traveling in the US at that time, and I remember it being attributed to black market cartridges and some vitamin additive. As far as I remember it wasn't an unsolved mystery...

    There was no mystery, it was drugs. Some young fellow had a massive operation making cannabis vape juice that caused a huge amount of respiratory problems.


  • #9226
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    mcgragger wrote: »
    Here is where I am at now.
    Like many others im about to crack .
    I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here
    Literally sitting listening to the scummers next door holding yet another gathering. This thing isn't going anywhere while we have so many inconsiderate assholes in our midst and no real consequences. You should not however lower yourself to the level of such scum. It won't do you or anyone else any good. Just be one more selfish piece of shot to add to the steaming pile. Don't be that.


  • #9227
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Well like I said commonsense, having personal contact and giving a virus like SARS2 to your loved ones is not commonsense. (I know is sh!t but thats the hand you been dealt). For most people giving a virus to a loved ones is a problem.

    Going to the shops and taking all the precautions is low risk, it’s not that there’s no risk but it’s very low providing everyone follows the guidelines...this not a problem.

    People following the guidelines = Not a huge problem (low risk)
    People not following guidelines = potential Problem (huge risk)

    I understand a lot of people flout the guidelines now and again, but it’s the flouting that has led to the current situation.

    I understand commonsense. I thought the categories of being part of the problem or the solution were a bit simplistic. Following the guidelines as best we can is all we can do and hope our actions don't contribute to the spread.


  • #9228
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have done that strategy very successfully right up to yesterday. I think this feeling is very natural, they say don't battle with it. I find occasionally with episodes like this it's actually better to "wallow" in it for a few days or so. It's like nature forcing you to hibernate as a defence mechanism and some people think it's got to get "cured". I think I'll go with it, that has worked in the past even if it seems like giving in. Trying to defeat it can too I've over the edge, because it's like you are failing in a battle of morale and self-appreciation. One is not, it's like any "sickness behaviour", curl up and and ride it out.

    I think you should do whatever you need to get through this. There are times when changing your thought pattern, exercise, healthy diet....all those good things...can be put aside and you just do what gives you comfort in order to get through the days. It isn't a long term plan but I think of it as crisis management.

    If curling up feels right for you cat then go with that.


  • #9229
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.

    January at the best of times is a depressing month. This year however, I think it's taking it's toll on nearly everyone. Cases are reducing, Hospitals cases are reducing, vaccines are being rolled out and more look to be approved soon.
    Unfortunately the media and some posters on here revel in the doom and gloom.

    Try switch off for a few days from the news, here and social media.
    Have a few days to yourself, watch a few movies or box sets, snuggle up under a blanket on the sofa with the cat and just block out all the negativity.

    I'd also suggest trying to find a hobby, everyone has a secret hobby deep down. A friend of mine recently started to learn how to sew, so she can create a Disney dress. Having something to loose yourself in is a good thing, you won't even remember we're in a pandemic at times.


  • #9230
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    At this point not one tiny single drop of blame can be placed on the crazies not obeying the rules and spreading the virus. Not one drop, because there isnt proper enforcement, aka man with guns on the streets. Soldiers. The army. If people think that is too extreme, well let me rob a bank tomorrow with no consequnces other than people online writing negative comments about me. And at least then I would not be causing the death of others.

    Thanks Meehoe and Leo.


  • #9231
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    January at the best of times is a depressing month. This year however, I think it's taking it's toll on nearly everyone. Cases are reducing, Hospitals cases are reducing, vaccines are being rolled out and more look to be approved soon.
    Unfortunately the media and some posters on here revel in the doom and gloom.

    Try switch off for a few days from the news, here and social media.
    Have a few days to yourself, watch a few movies or box sets, snuggle up under a blanket on the sofa with the cat and just block out all the negativity.

    I'd also suggest trying to find a hobby, everyone has a secret hobby deep down. A friend of mine recently started to learn how to sew, so she can create a Disney dress. Having something to loose yourself in is a good thing, you won't even remember we're in a pandemic at times.

    Cases are falling but without zero covid approach they will rise as soon as the restrictions are lifted. Because you know, politics are more important than the lives of the population.


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  • #9232
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The_Brood wrote: »
    At this point not one tiny single drop of blame can be placed on the crazies not obeying the rules and spreading the virus. Not one drop, because there isnt proper enforcement, aka man with guns on the streets. Soldiers. The army. If people think that is too extreme, well let me rob a bank tomorrow with no consequnces other than people online writing negative comments about me. And at least then I would not be causing the death of others.

    Thanks Meehoe and Leo.

    You want the army out with guns aimed at their own citizens? You want them to rigidly enforce measures that are already working?

    Donald please go back to Florida and stay there.


  • #9233
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Cases are falling but without zero covid approach they will rise as soon as the restrictions are lifted. Because you know, politics are more important than the lives of the population.

    Of course cases will rise, there's a buffer of cases we can handle before hospitals get overrun, that buffer get bigger and bigger as vaccines get rolled out. We went way way over that buffer over Christmas. As for Zero Covid, there's now a dedicated thread for that.


  • #9234
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The_Brood wrote: »
    At this point not one tiny single drop of blame can be placed on the crazies not obeying the rules and spreading the virus. Not one drop, because there isnt proper enforcement, aka man with guns on the streets. Soldiers. The army. If people think that is too extreme, well let me rob a bank tomorrow with no consequnces other than people online writing negative comments about me. And at least then I would not be causing the death of others.

    Thanks Meehoe and Leo.

    The Gardaí enforce all the laws in this country, but people still steal, rape and murder people. Do you think if they enforced lockdown 100% you would get 100% compliance? Those who will flaunt restrictions will always flaunt them regardless of the outcome.

    Your solution is to introduce a police state on to the entire population because a small minority are not following along? If the government asks and advises me not to leave the country or visit other households because of the risk of spreading covid, I'll do my best to comply. If the government tells me I can or cannot do it under enforcement of army soldiers.... I'd be more inclined to disobey as the army have little to no rights to stop me.
    We're policed by consent, baring an alien invasion or zombie apocalypse, that won't change.


  • #9235
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about those, and I am sure those people thought they were doing everything by the book.

    Who's to say I won't catch it? I don't know, but I can only do what I've been doing since March last year and hope for the best, as I do visit my elderly mother and I don't want to be giving it to her.

    One of the biggest spreading events up here in Donegal were wakes. People simply acted like it was the old days. Wakes were packed and there was plenty of hugging and hand shaking going on at them. I also witnessed 2 funerals locally myself where there was multiples of the allowed numbers at them, with unmasked mourners standing chatting to each other.

    Yes I can see how they have been a big problem. My grandfather recently died and randomers were in and out every hour of the day to see his body..and my extended family would be quite careful otherwise under normal circumstances. Everybody wore masks, limited times, they didn't go crazy or anything, but still.

    When somebody you love dies COVID is really the last thing on your mind..and I can see why people should feel they should be an exception to the rules because it is an exceptional thing to happen for you when your beloved is being celebrated for the last time on earth.

    In addition to that, it's very hard to try and coerce/control people's activities /movements around such an emotionally fraught period without looking controlling, or just downright cruel and callous and distracting from what most people attending the wake/funeral would think is a lot lot more important, the life of the person who has died and mourning that.


  • #9236
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I understand commonsense. I thought the categories of being part of the problem or the solution were a bit simplistic. Following the guidelines as best we can is all we can do and hope our actions don't contribute to the spread.

    Yes exactly, following the guidelines is part of the solution. Once you start having the attitude and the idea that the recommended guidelines don’t apply to you and you do what you want then you become part of the problem. Sure if everyone has that attitude then it’s free for all.

    I think 2021 is going be far more challenging than 2020, these new variants and the possible impact on vaccine efficacy and people’s patience is wearing thin I think the wheels will fall off and it will get worse before it gets better.


  • #9237
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I think in 5 weeks they'll be looking for people to give the vaccine too. Everyone I talk to say,, I DON'T WANT IT, NO WAY.


  • #9238
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,263 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Should people scheduled for the last tier of vaccination seek deliberate infection and then isolation rather than have to pussy foot around the world like a complete tool until they get vaccinated next year? I am talking about assessed risk where the number of people who will kill themselves will be higher than those waiting around for the vaccine in this last group.


  • #9239
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Should people scheduled for the last tier of vaccination seek deliberate infection and then isolation rather than have to pussy foot around the world like a complete tool until they get vaccinated next year? I am talking about assessed risk where the number of people who will kill themselves will be higher than those waiting around for the vaccine in this last group.

    You do realise once the all but the last tier get vaccinated, there will be no "pussy footing" about. It's the at risk who get vaccinated first, the later tiers are less at risk, so them being suicidal and wanting to get themselves infected.... well, that's more a personal mental health issue than a national health issue.

    Is there some trend where people are committing suicide because they can't get vaccinated safety quickly, but feel if they get infected by a lethal virus...... that's ok? Again they may need some help, but the vaccine wont help what ails them.


  • #9240
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I think in 5 weeks they'll be looking for people to give the vaccine too. Everyone I talk to say,, I DON'T WANT IT, NO WAY.

    Widen your circle so.

    Even those reticent about taking it will take it if it means their freedom sunny be curtailed. It is likely that all international travel will require evidence of a pcr test or vaccine in the not too distant future.


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  • #9241
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Should people scheduled for the last tier of vaccination seek deliberate infection and then isolation rather than have to pussy foot around the world like a complete tool until they get vaccinated next year? I am talking about assessed risk where the number of people who will kill themselves will be higher than those waiting around for the vaccine in this last group.

    The last tier are children and pregnant women.
    I don't either of these groups, particularly the latter, will seek deliberate infection.


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