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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9182
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    niallo27 wrote: »
    A new low tonight with posters talking about family members hugging at a funeral. Absolutely obsessed with covid and the **** with everything else in life. I think we are in trouble when all this is over, it's really bringing out some disgusting traits in people.

    It brings out selfishness. Some people are so scared for themselves that they cry wolf every time they think something somewhere may endanger them.
    Modern thing is that they can disguise their own fear with virtue signalling saying things like we all need to do this and that to help everyone...
    Every person is responsible for their own actions and will pay for them eventually. Be it covid or crossing road when a red light is on. But this hyping of fear and inciting hatred against people who do not conform to your own ideas is pretty much-telling everyone exactly who you are.


  • #9183
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You do know I presume that there were many clusters of positive cases attributed to funerals ?

    We are talking about family members here not a 100 person lockin after a funeral. Calling family members idiots for hugging at a funeral is pretty low in fairness.


  • #9184
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    niallo27 wrote: »
    We are talking about family members here not a 100 person lockin after a funeral. Calling family members idiots for hugging at a funeral is pretty low in fairness.

    Just checking that you were aware of clusters happening at funerals among families


  • #9185
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    I am absolutely aching because I can't see my parents, give them a hug, talk with them at length about the goings on of the world (the phone is a poor substitute, and they're half deaf anyway).

    My daughter is missing school and her friends; the silly things that happen between six year olds that she'd be full of chat about. Yet she knows to wash her hands, to keep our distance from friends and family, she actively gives out if she sees people going into a shop without a mask.

    I would give every fibre of my being for her not to have to go through this. However, she's so matter of fact about why things are the way they are. I hope it doesn't scar her. It's inspiration for us grown ups, though.

    We know this will not be forever, that the sacrifices we're making are for the greater good, to keep people that we don't know safe against the risk of transmission. We have less than a year before this is all over.

    If it stops one family the heartbreak of having to say goodbye to their loved ones prematurely, without even the comfort of being able to provide sympathy for one another, I'll gladly do whatever it takes to follow the advice given by experts in their field. I wouldn't dream of telling a plumber or electrician how to do their job, just the same as I trust qualified epidemiologists to advise us on best practise.

    Next pandemic, I could be one of the elderly or the frail that often get talked about here as the ones 'whose time was up anyway'. My parents made great sacrifices to make me the person I am, I will not cast their generation off as expendable.


  • #9186
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Just checking that you were aware of clusters happening at funerals among families

    Ramsgrange Wexford a fine example and it doesn't matter if it's 100 or 10. Close contact is high risk


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  • #9187
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You do know I presume that there were many clusters of positive cases attributed to funerals ?

    While that is the case, for our humanity to be put on hold for the unforeseeable future is incomprehensible to me. Now I'm not talking about a large wake and everyone back to the pub but the simple act of a handshake or a hug.


  • #9188
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Just checking that you were aware of clusters happening at funerals among families

    Only of big funerals, my wife lost her mother during this. I mean do people honestly expect her not to embrace other family members and to actually call her an idiot and selfish for doing it.


  • #9189
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    niallo27 wrote: »
    A new low tonight with posters talking about family members hugging at a funeral. Absolutely obsessed with covid and the **** with everything else in life. I think we are in trouble when all this is over, it's really bringing out some disgusting traits in people.


    A new low, is it?

    Let me ask you a question then:

    Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

    Would you?

    Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

    Would you do that?

    Or ... let's make it really personal..

    That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

    Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

    Hmm?

    Feck off ..will ya..

    Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

    Just think about it ...that'll do.


  • #9190
    Jasna1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Jasna1982


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The support bubble is definitely still allowed, as it was before Christmas..... between friends or family members who are isolated, alone, vulnerable. It does not have to be to provide essential care. There is a difference.
    My support bubble is with my daughter in Limerick. I live in Louth. She had a baby 7 weeks ago and she is struggling and very tired as the baby has severe reflux and she also has a 19 month old. I have travelled a few times to be with her since Christmas. Absolutely no problem at all with Garda checkpoints.

    Do you just tell gardai you’re going to your support bubble? Or do you need to declare them somewhere and have proof?

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  • #9191
    Gradius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    Beasty wrote: »
    And are people prepared to pay more for that "stuff"?

    The world is too globalised to roll back the supply chains that have developed without significant additional cost (which could well outweigh the financial costs of the pandemic).

    Then of course the poor in China get even poorer. The wet markets then possibly harbour more of this kind of thing. And like it or not, some will continue to seek products at minimal cost, ultimately much of it emanating from China.

    We need to work through solutions that look to keep changes in the way the world operates to a minimum, certainly in the short term. Any major changes are likely to result in unexpected consequences. It's taken decades to build the global economy, and would probably take longer to dismantle it.

    The globalist outlook is essentially the root cause of all this. And a million other problems festering in the background

    When the people making money off cheap/slave labour suddenly find that it actually COSTS them money to operate in such an environment...things change.

    Besides that, the overall economic shift to China is to other countrys detriment in the long run.

    Would you pay an extra 20 quid for something made in France now, and have a normal life back?

    Or save 20 quid and live in a prison?

    Scale that up across the entire economic spectrum and it becomes much easier to change than you may think. It just doesn't add up, quite literally, anymore.


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  • #9192
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    peasant wrote: »
    A new low, is it?

    Let me ask you a question then:

    Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

    Would you?

    Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

    Would you do that?

    Or ... let's make it really personal..

    That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

    Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

    Hmm?

    Feck off ..will ya..

    Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

    Just think about it ...that'll do.

    Do you have brother and sisters, you lost your mother and you had no contact with any of your family. Each to their own I suppose, if you lived 5km down the road would you have gone to the funeral. No I wouldn't hug an elderly relative, the original poster mentioned siblings not elderly relatives.


  • #9193
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    peasant wrote: »
    A new low, is it?

    Let me ask you a question then:

    Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

    Would you?

    Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

    Would you do that?

    Or ... let's make it really personal..

    That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

    Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

    Hmm?

    Feck off ..will ya..

    Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

    Just think about it ...that'll do.

    That is a decision you made. I think other people may have made a different decision depending on their own circumstances.
    If I were in your position I would have done the same thing unless my dad so desperately wanted a hug more than he wanted to avoid Covid.

    In moments between us we can forget about the "what if I contract Covid" or "what if I give this person Covid" and lean in to our natural way of being. The virus becomes less if even just for a minute.


  • #9194
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    eigrod wrote: »
    Have you the bit in bold the wrong way around?
    Yes. Error in hospitalised cases. Should have read 1893 - increase from 1846.


  • #9195
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Only a small increase with those in hospital with Covid compared to last Saturday. 1893 v 1872


  • #9196
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Beasty wrote: »
    And are people prepared to pay more for that "stuff"?

    The world is too globalised to roll back the supply chains that have developed without significant additional cost (which could well outweigh the financial costs of the pandemic).

    Then of course the poor in China get even poorer. The wet markets then possibly harbour more of this kind of thing. And like it or not, some will continue to seek products at minimal cost, ultimately much of it emanating from China.

    We need to work through solutions that look to keep changes in the way the world operates to a minimum, certainly in the short term. Any major changes are likely to result in unexpected consequences. It's taken decades to build the global economy, and would probably take longer to dismantle it.

    The global economy can be dismantled in the blink of an eye. It is being dismantled right now. How long will the world accept money which is printed nonstop and not backed by anything?
    We are so used and dependant on cheap stuff that our own farmers have a problem selling their produce because someone somewhere makes it and brings it here cheaper. Change people demand is coming but it will be a painful and a long one. And after a while there will be new China or other countries will fill their shoes producing cheap stuff using cheap labor.

    A lot of things sound nice but are just a dream. I lived through one of such dreams in a socialist country for 29 years. Socialism and communism were no paradise I can assure everyone and who does not believe they can try it on their own. I am not interested. The only thing which worked better was healthcare though. We had no waiting lists for anything. If you needed to see a consultant or specialist you got to see him in a day or two. Vaccines were state-sponsored and developed. They were mandatory but nobody questioned them because they were thoroughly tested and working.


  • #9197
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Do you have brother and sisters, you lost your mother and you had no contact with any of your family. Each to their own I suppose, if you lived 5km down the road would you have gone to the funeral.

    You come on here espousing common decency but you don't have enough of it to spare me your line of questioning after what just told you?

    You're absolutely right about this situation bringing out disgusting traits in people.

    That's me out of this thread for tonight, thanks


  • #9198
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    peasant wrote: »
    A new low, is it?

    Let me ask you a question then:

    Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

    Would you?

    Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

    Would you do that?

    Or ... let's make it really personal..

    That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

    Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

    Hmm?

    Feck off ..will ya..

    Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

    Just think about it ...that'll do.

    So let me get this clear, you think my wife is a selfish idiot for hugging her sister after their mother who they spoke to every day for 40 years died. Think about that will you.


  • #9199
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jasna1982 wrote: »
    Do you just tell gardai you’re going to your support bubble? Or do you need to declare them somewhere and have proof?

    I spend a night or two with my elderly father every week. During the last lockdowns I had no issue with the Gardai but was wondering recently how it would go this time around. I actually haven't met a checkpoint on the way home this time around. If they want to ring my dad to verify my reason then that's no problem.


  • #9200
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    We are all very tired. Almost a year in.


  • #9201
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let me get this clear, you think my wife is a selfish idiot for hugging her sister after their mother who they spoke to every day for 40 years died. Think about that will you.


    No, I don't think that.
    I'm sure she made her own risk assessment.

    But that's the whole point ...there has to be a risk assessment.
    Covid has to be taken into account whether we like it or not...and there is nothing "disgusting" about people doing so and coming up with an assessment that goes against pre-covid conventions.


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  • #9202
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    peasant wrote: »
    A new low, is it?

    Let me ask you a question then:

    Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

    Would you?

    Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

    Would you do that?

    Or ... let's make it really personal..

    That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

    Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

    Hmm?

    Feck off ..will ya..

    Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

    Just think about it ...that'll do.

    Just because you decided to do what you did do not give you any right to call people who do it differently all the names in under the sun. Like you did.
    It is your decision and you will live with it.
    They will do their own decisions and they will live with it too.


  • #9203
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    peasant wrote: »
    No, I don't think that.
    I'm sure she made her own risk assessment.

    But that's the whole point ...there has to be a risk assessment.
    Covid has to be taken into account whether we like it or not...and there is nothing "disgusting" about people doing so and coming up with an assessment that goes against pre-covid conventions.

    Thats fair enough, i was replying to posts calling people like my wife idiots. That's what I called disgusting.


  • #9204
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Can we all just agree that the large crowd gathering at wakes with no social distancing, no masks, active shaking of hands and hugs that kicked this whole thing off into the really personal context sensitive examples is idiotic and irresponsible?

    That should, I hope, be a common ground for everyone.


  • #9205
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Can we all just agree that the large crowd gathering at wakes with no social distancing, no masks, active shaking of hands and hugs that kicked this whole thing off into really personal context sensitive examples is idiotic and irresponsible?

    That should, I hope, be a common ground for everyone.

    Yes totally.


  • #9206
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    covid loves funerals.


  • #9207
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    This lockdown and the situation we find ourselves in is clearly really getting to everyone in different and horrible ways. Tonights posts are showing this quite obviously.


  • #9208
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some people here really are gorging on too much RTÉ and too many NPHET briefings. This board isn’t for me any more.

    Bye everyone. Good luck

    I don’t know about RTE of NPHET but its basic commonsense to limit personal contact in the midst of a sick society in a world pandemic.

    You are either part of the solution or part of the problem...it’s not hard to see which one.


  • #9209
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.


  • #9210
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Yeah, come on guys, there’s a big difference between siblings hugging each other at the funeral of a parent, and half the parish going to a wake and then back to the pub for tea and sandwiches with handshakes all around.


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  • #9211
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    I don’t know about RTE of NPHET but its basic commonsense to limit personal contact in the midst of a sick society in a world pandemic.

    You are either part of the solution or part of the problem...it’s not hard to see which one.

    What do we do that pushes us in to being part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Where are those lines drawn and who draws them?

    Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?


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