Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

23-01-2021 07:54PM

acequion wrote: »

No problem Jack.:)

You would be completely right if schools closed meant no education. But education is continuing apace and better this lockdown than last because everyone is more on top of the online game. I follow my timetable to teach all my classes and there is an excellent level of engagement from my students who are much more into technology and comfortable with this type of engagement than adults are. So I can honestly tell you that I'm getting through my courses almost as efficiently as if we were all at school.

Now I'm not for one minute saying that face to face education isn't a lot better because of course it is. And I also fully realise that there are kids slipping through the cracks. But in my opinion most are doing their best. It's tough but it's tough for everyone and I've never been of the viewpoint that we must wrap kids up in cotton wool. Shyt happens and they have to learn to deal with it within reason. Also the kinds of formative experiences for kids in school like the wide range of extra curriculars are out this year anyway, so even at school the experience isn't great.

I'm very much hoping that MM is talking through his mehole with this business of being out til after Paddy's. When have that lot ever had a consistent story especially regarding education! :rolleyes: Numbers are coming down and it's my fervent hope that we will get back sooner rather than later.

But in the meantime we're all doing our level best online.

Thanks for this!
It’s actually very encouraging to read this. The situation sounds a lot better than I had thought it would be.

And fair play, teachers get a tough time but sounds like you are working extra hard to keep things going.

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 07:55PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

A few work sheets printed off a computer given to a kid who’s dad has to go out to work and who’s mother has to work from home constitutes an education now does it? Ludicrous. I’ve asked before, will teachers offer to make this time up or go on the PUP? Answer? Well, we all know don’t we?

That's not happening to my kids. They're getting lessons on Zoom/Google classroom. Secondary school pupils shouldn't require much parental input. Why would teachers who are working have to make time up or go on PUP?

Necro · 23-01-2021 07:55PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

When you see the news today it’s amazing that there was so many whining idiots on here moaning about restrictions. It’s their fault and people like them and of course the government who gave in to their weak pathetic whining when opening up over December and Christmas that we’re where we are now. Congratulations whingebags, this is on you.

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Disgusting disgraceful sanctimonious bull****. How dare you. It must be great to be so ****ing judgmental.

TheCitizen wrote: »

You must be joking pal. The disgusting whining bullshít from was from the pathetic arseholes on here and elsewhere whinging about restrictions. We should not have opened up over Christmas that much is certain and clear now.

Mod:

Both of you are now threadbanned.

acequion and Jim Gazebo, you're both lucky you're not getting the same treatment. Report, don't react.

pjohnson · 23-01-2021 08:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thanks for this!
It’s actually very encouraging to read this. The situation sounds a lot better than I had thought it would be.

And fair play, teachers get a tough time but sounds like you are working extra hard to keep things going.

That is often the case. This thread creates apocalyptic scenarios and treats them as fact.

walus · 23-01-2021 08:03PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I would imagine that if more people felt as you do to the degree you do then lockdown would be challenged in more ways than swinging insults on an anti-lockdown thread on boards.ie

Most people are going along with lockdown. You can insult them all you like and take the superior moral high ground, but who is really listening to you? Because we are still in lockdown and will be for the foreseeable

Did you take into account the fact that a portion of that 'happy-to-go-into-lockdown' group don't really care that much because they are breaking those lockdown rules they have grown to ignore long time ago? And so no point really to throw a brick through some politician or nphet member living room windows just yet.

walus · 23-01-2021 08:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If most people are going along with lockdown, and Ireland has had the most prolonged lockdown in the world, yet the case numbers were highest in the world recently, wouldn’t that mean lockdown doesn’t actually work?

No, it works, it is just people who are not compliant with the rules of a lockdown. It is their fault.

Sierra Oscar · 23-01-2021 08:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If that turns out to be true, and it most likely will, kids will not have had a proper education for 8 months of the past year.

That is absolutely shameful! The virus is zero risk to them.

They are the future of this country. But we’d rather not educate them and leave them a huge bill because we were more concerned about our own health.

Schools should remain open for June and July if they remain closed until after March 17th, imho.

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 08:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thanks for this!
It’s actually very encouraging to read this. The situation sounds a lot better than I had thought it would be.

And fair play, teachers get a tough time but sounds like you are working extra hard to keep things going.

Fair play. Do you accept your previous posts about children's education were ill informed?

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 08:13PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Schools should remain open for June and July if they remain closed until after March 17th, imho.

Why?

Tork · 23-01-2021 08:13PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Schools should remain open for June and July if they remain closed until after March 17th, imho.

It's never going to happen but it should, given what school kids are losing out on. Just you wait for the complaints if the teachers or the parents were asked to give up any of their holidays.

Sierra Oscar · 23-01-2021 08:13PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why?

To educate children, why do you think?

FintanMcluskey · 23-01-2021 08:14PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Fair play. Do you accept your previous posts about children's education were ill informed?

You sound like a teacher scolding a young lad

Kunta Kinte · 23-01-2021 08:14PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Schools should remain open for June and July if they remain closed until after March 17th, imho.

When most teachers are teaching online why should they? Anyway that won`t happen.

Sierra Oscar · 23-01-2021 08:15PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

When most teachers are teaching online why should they? Anyway it won`t happen.

If you're a parent you'll know that online teaching doesn't seem to be much of a substitute for in-class learning.

Unless not much is happening in the classroom in the first case.

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 08:15PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

To educate children, why do you think?

They are currently being educated.

CruelSummer · 23-01-2021 08:16PM

acequion wrote: »

No problem Jack.:)

You would be completely right if schools closed meant no education. But education is continuing apace and better this lockdown than last because everyone is more on top of the online game. I follow my timetable to teach all my classes and there is an excellent level of engagement from my students who are much more into technology and comfortable with this type of engagement than adults are. So I can honestly tell you that I'm getting through my courses almost as efficiently as if we were all at school.

Now I'm not for one minute saying that face to face education isn't a lot better because of course it is. And I also fully realise that there are kids slipping through the cracks. But in my opinion most are doing their best. It's tough but it's tough for everyone and I've never been of the viewpoint that we must wrap kids up in cotton wool. Shyt happens and they have to learn to deal with it within reason. Also the kinds of formative experiences for kids in school like the wide range of extra curriculars are out this year anyway, so even at school the experience isn't great.

I'm very much hoping that MM is talking through his mehole with this business of being out til after Paddy's. When have that lot ever had a consistent story especially regarding education! :rolleyes: Numbers are coming down and it's my fervent hope that we will get back sooner rather than later.

But in the meantime we're all doing our level best online.

Thanks Jack for the question :-)
I totally agree with this post.
Remote teaching and learning is going much better this time. There is more interaction between teachers and pupils. Finding the whole thing extremely intense this time, between setting videos, live zooms and parental + pupil feedback. Not much time for boards atm with all this going on during the week.
Is it a substitute for face to face? Definitely not long term. Does it serve a purpose during lockdown? Absolutely. I would personally prefer blended learning as an approach going forward until numbers are down as some children aren’t as good as others at interacting remotely. This way you’d get to see them once / twice weekly face to face to touch base and iron out any issues they’re having while working at home.

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 08:18PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why?

To make up for time lost in their education
Education is not simply maths or writing or spelling . It is to teach social skills and life skills which is not happening now

Arghus · 23-01-2021 08:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If most people are going along with lockdown, and Ireland has had the most prolonged lockdown in the world, yet the case numbers were highest in the world recently, wouldn’t that mean lockdown doesn’t actually work?

Case numbers exploded as a result of increased socialisation and lockdown being essentially lifted over the month of December.

Are you trying to argue that case numbers exploded by themselves when we were in level five? Because that's the exact opposite of what happened.

23-01-2021 08:25PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Fair play. Do you accept your previous posts about children's education were ill informed?

Haha, well thankfully we have good teachers like Acequion and Cruelsummer.

And wonderful parents like you

emeldc · 23-01-2021 08:28PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Schools should remain open for June and July if they remain closed until after March 17th, imho.

Even if the teachers wanted to stay on into the summer the unions would never allow it. You saw what happened when they tried to bring in the special needs kids.
By the way IMO the special needs kids are a completely different ball game and should absolutely be back in school. They have way more to lose.

Captain_Crash · 23-01-2021 08:30PM

Speaking from my own experience only, my son only has an hour long Zoom class a day and does schoolwork on google classroom, so yes I can say he’s still going to school and his school can say “yeah we’re working away” but to suggest that it’s anything remotely compared to going to school is just wrong!

He’s doing his best as is his teacher and all the staff in the school, but I’m the one who observes him both in and out of school and I can categorically say he’s losing out a lot on his education! I know many schools are operating differently, and he have teachers on this thread who may agree or say that this is the experience in their school, I’m not saying anyone’s wrong, just this is what I see with my own child

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 08:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Haha, well thankfully we have good teachers like Acequion and Cruelsummer.

And wonderful parents like you

And it's great they came on and posted the real situation. For a moment there you almost had us believing the poor mites were all doomed for life

PTH2009 · 23-01-2021 08:33PM

Are the teachers going to get the PUP payment ??

No there not cause technically WFH

JRant · 23-01-2021 08:37PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Thanks Jack for the question :-)
I totally agree with this post.
Remote teaching and learning is going much better this time. There is more interaction between teachers and pupils. Finding the whole thing extremely intense this time, between setting videos, live zooms and parental + pupil feedback. Not much time for boards atm with all this going on during the week.
Is it a substitute for face to face? Definitely not long term. Does it serve a purpose during lockdown? Absolutely. I would personally prefer blended learning as an approach going forward until numbers are down as some children aren’t as good as others at interacting remotely. This way you’d get to see them once / twice weekly face to face to touch base and iron out any issues they’re having while working at home.

Sounds excellent.

I'd say the JI, SI, and first classes should absolutely be extended in to July at the very minimum if they don't go back till March. A weekly update on SeeSaw just doesn't cut the mustard.

23-01-2021 08:41PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

And it's great they came on and posted the real situation. For a moment there you almost had us believing the poor mites were all doomed for life

Well, at least I asked for and listened to their views on things.

When I told of my experience in a Dublin hospital, people like you were quick to jump on me and shout that I’m just 1 person in 1 part of 1 hospital.

You see how I could easily spin this if I so desired?

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 08:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Are the teachers going to get the PUP payment ??

No there not cause technically WFH

Technically? No. They are actually working.

Kunta Kinte · 23-01-2021 08:54PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Are the teachers going to get the PUP payment ??

No there not cause technically WFH

They are working/teaching from home or online . We already know this.

JRant · 23-01-2021 09:02PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Technically? No. They are actually working.

Most are Pen but there is no way the younger age groups are or can be thought online

acequion · 23-01-2021 09:05PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

To make up for time lost in their education
Education is not simply maths or writing or spelling . It is to teach social skills and life skills which is not happening now

You obviously didn't bother reading my post or CruelSummer's! We're teachers and we're telling it as it is but hey let's not let facts get in the way of a bit of good ole teacher bashing, even on the relaxation of restrictions thread. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

But moving on. In my post I specified the value of the extra curricular activities. These are what mainly teach the "social skills and life skills" you mention. But they can't happen this year anyway, because, go on have a guess!! Yep social distancing! So even in school at the moment the experience is pretty grim. Constant mask wearing for everyone, desks at a metre distance with markings around them. Teachers having to stay well back and corrections mainly all done online anyway.

So whatever way you do it, the social and life skills, the wonderful clubs and activities which contribute greatly to an enriched school experience for students and teachers alike are all gone until a majority are vaccinated.

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 09:22PM

acequion wrote: »

You obviously didn't bother reading my post or CruelSummer's! We're teachers and we're telling it as it is but hey let's not let facts get in the way of a bit of good ole teacher bashing, even on the relaxation of restrictions thread. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

But moving on. In my post I specified the value of the extra curricular activities. These are what mainly teach the "social skills and life skills" you mention. But they can't happen this year anyway, because, go on have a guess!! Yep social distancing! So even in school at the moment the experience is pretty grim. Constant mask wearing for everyone, desks at a metre distance with markings around them. Teachers having to stay well back and corrections mainly all done online anyway.

So whatever way you do it, the social and life skills, the wonderful clubs and activities which contribute greatly to an enriched school experience for students and teachers alike are all gone until a majority are vaccinated.

Is there any reason to jump down my neck and accuse me of teacher bashing ? At no stage did I teacher bash or blame them for what Covid has caused ? A few posters who posted far more inflammatory posts but you chose to jump on mine .,If there is one thing that annoys me is being accused in the wrong .

I was giving my opinion to a poster who said they were being educated . My point was to THAT poster that they are missing out on a lot more than simple maths etc

The kids are missing out this year big time so if numbers were controlled and postive cases down in July I personally think it would be worth considering bringing them in in July if only for summer camps or something on that line

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