Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

wadacrack · 23-01-2021 07:06PM

Turtwig wrote: »

The deaths occurring now are unfortunately an inevitable result of the previous high case numbers. The deaths that occur two months from now are still to be determined. If we continue our good progress we can reduce these potential deaths even further through the reduction in cases. That is the positive we can focus on. Our cases are going in the right direction, our deaths and hospitalisations will slowly follow.

I think most realise that. To just ignore the deaths and focus on a phycological boost with a number under 2,000 shows a lack of empathy and perspective. This was all avoidable.

is_that_so · 23-01-2021 07:07PM

Stheno wrote: »

That still allows people living alone meet another person?

Yeah, I think it does, but with added extra conditions. I understood it to be in the context of no house visitors unless absolutely necessary.

polesheep · 23-01-2021 07:07PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes it does

Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

It's the same use of language that we saw with the green lists, designed to put people off.

DebDynamite · 23-01-2021 07:07PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Here. Under Social and family gatherings. There's also a link there to the bubble support page.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

On that link it says:

“Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.”

If you click on “support bubble”, it brings you to the exact link I posted where it clearly says you can be in a support bubble if you or another household live alone. There is no mention of it only being for essential care.

Plumbthedepths · 23-01-2021 07:07PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/#who-can-form-a-support-bubble

Where does it say that? Going by the information in the link above, you can form a support bubble if you live alone, so as not to risk social isolation. It doesn’t mention anything about essential care.

Just be honest with the Guards if stopped. Once you have a reasonable excuse their is no issue. Travelled from my home outside Roscommon to Limerick to my son stopped and asked the purpose of my trip by AGS told the reasons no issue went on my way.

DebDynamite · 23-01-2021 07:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

No they didn’t

coastwatch · 23-01-2021 07:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

As a single person household, the OP is allowed to visit their support bubble under the current (updated 16Jan21) restrictions.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

"No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble."

polesheep · 23-01-2021 07:09PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I think most realise that. To just ignore the deaths and focus on a phycological boost with a number under 2,000 shows a lack of empathy and perspective. This was all avoidable.

No, it simply shows an ability to deal with the different elements separately.

blowitupref · 23-01-2021 07:10PM

seamus wrote: »

I'd be more inclined to keep eyes on the prize short term. If the 7-day average next Saturday is around 3,000, then we're still on track.

7-day average of 2349 today which shows we are very much on track. What do you reckon the 7-day average will be this day week?

iamwhoiam · 23-01-2021 07:11PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

No they didn’t

Go ahead , it is allowed to form a bubble with anyone who lives alone . You may visit if you have formed a bubble
They allowed it as it was seen to be essential to avoid loneliness

niallo27 · 23-01-2021 07:11PM

Cases are under 2k and people still can't be optimistic, this place is really soul destroying sometimes. People dieing in a global pandemic shock.

frank8211 · 23-01-2021 07:12PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Young people are not impacted, that's why they were able to open up all the schools at the end of last year.

and see how the cases started to rise the minute they were opened!

wadacrack · 23-01-2021 07:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Cases are under 2k and people still can't be optimistic, this place is really soul destroying sometimes. People dieing in a global pandemic shock.

Its not about being optimistic or pessimistic, showing a decent level of emotional intelligence in a pandemic would help alot of posters here.

Eod100 · 23-01-2021 07:19PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I think most realise that. To just ignore the deaths and focus on a phycological boost with a number under 2,000 shows a lack of empathy and perspective. This was all avoidable.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the deaths tbf. Any loss of life to this virus is awful and 77 is very high. I can understand people seeking a glimmer of hope from the cases declining. I don't think people should be made guilty for that. This has been a terrible time. Obviously anyone who has been sick with this or lost family or friends experienced the worst of it. Nobody is ignoring that.

Cluedo Monopoly · 23-01-2021 07:22PM

It's snowing!

TonyMaloney · 23-01-2021 07:25PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't think anyone is ignoring the deaths tbf. Any loss of life to this virus is awful and 77 is very high. I can understand people seeking a glimmer of hope from the cases declining. I don't think people should be made guilty for that. This has been a terrible time. Obviously anyone who has been sick with this or lost family or friends experienced the worst of it. Nobody is ignoring that.

Maybe. Though people definitely are ignoring the rising age profile of cases, and accordingly the rising
rate of hospitalisation.

We've gone from a little over 2% a couple of weeks ago to 5.28%

WoollyRedHat · 23-01-2021 07:25PM

New research paper in the journal Nature shows an “impressive linear correlation with latitude” and the surge in new Covid cases in most European countries during autumn – pointing to vitamin D as a contributing factor.

The conclusion from their research is thus:

'As already evidenced by previous correlation studies, a low 25(OH)D concentration should be considered a contributing factor to COVID-19 severity.

Europe and the northern USA are starting a long COVID-19 crisis this autumn, as they will return to a level above the October sun UV daily dose only at the end of March 2021.

Measures to reduce the pandemic severity during the coming winter using controlled preventive vitamin D supplementation should be considered.'

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81419-w

Bolded emphasis is mine.
Will the government/NPHET start giving consideration to launching a national public health campaign encouraging people to increase their Vitamin D intake with this in mind? It's becoming harder to understand why they don't push this, they're very slow to react at times.

jojofizzio · 23-01-2021 07:27PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

It's snowing!

Is this good news or bad news??Jaysus I can’t tell any more....

is_that_so · 23-01-2021 07:30PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

New research paper in the journal Nature shows an “impressive linear correlation with latitude” and the surge in new Covid cases in most European countries during autumn – pointing to vitamin D as a contributing factor.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81419-w

Will the government/NPHET start giving consideration to launching a national public health campaign encouraging people to increase their Vitamin D intake with this in mind? It's becoming harder to understand why they don't push this, they're very slow to react at times.

There is a programme for kids and a general you should take Vitamin D advice. They don't push it as advice with COVID for the lack of clinical trials data. There are some ongoing now I believe.

DrSpongeBobz · 23-01-2021 07:31PM

polesheep wrote: »

No, it simply shows an ability to deal with the different elements separately.

but a few months ago posters were just focusing on low deaths all the time when cases going up

niallo27 · 23-01-2021 07:41PM

Lower case numbers now means lower deaths in a few weeks, that has to be a reason to be optimistic about todays case numbers if nothing else.

WoollyRedHat · 23-01-2021 07:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There is a programme for kids and a general you should take Vitamin D advice. They don't push it as advice with COVID for the lack of clinical trials data. There are some ongoing now I believe.

We shouldn't have to wait for clinical trials data on this.

MrMusician18 · 23-01-2021 07:44PM

If you read the carry on of what went on in Belmullet in the Irish Times article (pints being passed out windows and the like), it would make you feel very angry.

12gauge dave · 23-01-2021 07:45PM

World of its own down there

DrSpongeBobz · 23-01-2021 07:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Lower case numbers now means lower deaths in a few weeks, that has to be a reason to be optimistic about todays case numbers if nothing else.

Surely that was known

Happydays2020 · 23-01-2021 07:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Lower case numbers now means lower deaths in a few weeks, that has to be a reason to be optimistic about todays case numbers if nothing else.

Agree completely. We cannot reverse what happened around Christmas. And these numbers are a cause for optimism and hopefully continue to go down.

doublejobbing 2 · 23-01-2021 07:46PM

Mehole should be charged with criminal negligence. What kind of idiot thought one single person arriving home would self isolate? The very type of person to travel is by default the type least likely to take even the most basic precautions.

niallo27 · 23-01-2021 07:48PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

Surely that was known

You would think but obviously not.

Loafing Oaf · 23-01-2021 07:48PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

It's snowing!

Turtwig · 23-01-2021 07:49PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We shouldn't have to wait for clinical trials data on this.

We should wait for further studies and datas though.

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