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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6182
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Stheno wrote: »
    It was the NPHET advice in the letter they sent, that wither you could open hospitality or allow household mixing

    Then throughout December there were regular updates telling people to limit socialising if they were going home/visiting for Christmas

    Oh right. So it didn't filter through into the actual government advice.
    You were just rightly going on the expert advice and ignoring the gov.

    Fair play


  • #6183
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Stheno wrote: »
    It was the NPHET advice in the letter they sent, that wither you could open hospitality or allow household mixing

    Then throughout December there were regular updates telling people to limit socialising if they were going home/visiting for Christmas
    NPHET advice was for the government to choose one or the other - it wasn't to allow individuals to make the decision for themselves. I could see why that would lead to mixing of different social bubbles to a dangerous degree. I don't want to sound critical btw, the advice and communication of it was all over the place.


  • #6184
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    mean gene wrote: »
    most people had a sh1t christmas and done fcuk all these numbers are nuts

    It's what you make of it. I had a one family Christmas and it was enjoyable. It was a small celebration of 4 people within the one family/household. Started drinking cocktails early Christmas morning to celebrate a covid and sickness free year within the family. Same thing again at New year. Celebrating a covid and sickness free New year within the family.


  • #6185
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Actually on Dec. 11th the department of the Taoiseach said
    People must restrict their movements immediately and avoid socialising if they want to spend time with people vulnerable to Covid-19 over Christmas, a senior Government official said.

    To avoid another spike of the virus over the festive period, Liz Canavan, assistant secretary at the Department of Taoiseach, urged people to limit their contacts to “a very small circle”, prioritise activities around a “small, close group” and “choose only those who are really important to you.”

    She described the coming weeks as “the next big challenge” and warned against undoing the efforts of the past two months to suppress the virus by having a safe Christmas.

    “With two weeks to go from today, remember that if you have to plan spending time with people who are vulnerable to Covid-19 over Christmas, you should be restricting your movements from now,” Ms Canavan said at the Government’s regular Covid-19 briefing.

    “It won’t be sufficient to start reducing your contacts in the couple of days before Christmas. That means you might have to postpone that meal with friends until after Christmas and it will mean avoiding crowds.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restrict-contacts-now-if-visiting-vulnerable-over-christmas-government-says-1.4434055%3fmode=amp


  • #6186
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Stheno wrote: »
    It was the NPHET advice in the letter they sent, that wither you could open hospitality or allow household mixing

    Then throughout December there were regular updates telling people to limit socialising if they were going home/visiting for Christmas

    Yeah I kind of wish the NPHET letters were made more visible to let people make up their own minds. The government did not issue clear instructions at all and that confused the matter entirely. If iirc the CMO actually got lambasted for suggesting people think twice before attending restaurants in a tweet.


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  • #6187
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Stheno wrote: »
    Actually on Dec. 11th the department of the Taoiseach said



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restrict-contacts-now-if-visiting-vulnerable-over-christmas-government-says-1.4434055%3fmode=amp

    Indeed that was the message I was getting also.


  • #6188
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a worrying finding. Covid found in ice cream. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/


  • #6189
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Stheno wrote: »
    Actually on Dec. 11th the department of the Taoiseach said



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restrict-contacts-now-if-visiting-vulnerable-over-christmas-government-says-1.4434055%3fmode=amp

    They should probably have said this stuff themselves rather than leaving it to Liz.
    And it should have been explicit from the start. Not mid December.

    They really got a huge amount of stuff wrong. Thanks.


  • #6190
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    majcos wrote: »
    That wasn’t the message from NPHET. They repeatedly cautioned people about Christmas gatherings. They warned that just because you could doesn’t mean you should. They warned that even though restaurants were open, that if you intended visiting family that you should quarantine/limit your contacts beforehand.

    I think many were under the illusion that if they behaved within the guidelines, that they would be immune. It is not just those who went to rowdy pubs and underground raves that spread Covid over Christmas. It was the cumulative effect of all those smaller seemingly careful gatherings at a time when cases in the community were not sufficiently suppressed.

    It was the son or daughter who went home from a shared house in Dublin to Mayo, the young nurse who visited her grandparents after a negative test and then tested positive 48 hours later, the person who had a quiet meal in a restaurant with three close friends who all then carried it back to their families, the siblings who visited each other, the grandparents who wanted to see their grandchildren, and the person who flew home from London when guidelines allowed them to do so.

    Agreed .

    Never said that was the message from NPHET . They never wanted so much opened ,and were " concerned" that numbers were not low enough going into this in December
    It was the government allowing the message that more mixing was ok at a time when mixing would be at its highest.
    The fall back message on Christmas week , by government, to opening windows , and not flying home etc was not a strong enough message and was too little too late .
    No mixing unfortunately is ok with this virus .


  • #6191
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is a worrying finding. Covid found in ice cream. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/

    Its not as big a risk though as its banana flavour and no one likes banana flavour


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  • #6192
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Fianna Fail .........in the space of 13 years they saved the banks health and sacrificed the peoples health!


  • #6193
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Its not as big a risk though as its banana flavour and no one likes banana flavour

    How is it even a viable product?

    There's something going on there.


  • #6194
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    If the message was mixed, it was a mix of "be extremely careful" and "be very careful". There is absolutely no evidence that that mix contained the "You're allowed go nuts and have a magical Christmas" message that people are claiming they heard.

    Even then it's pretty obvious that people disregarded the message en masse and met up in large groups around Christmas anyway, so why are people hung up on what the ignored message was?


  • #6195
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    I don't remember that being the case at all

    It was clear to me well before Christmas that I could choose to eat out or have visitors to my house/ visit others

    Flights were banned very close to Christmas yes

    It was clear from NPHET alright . I remember MM very much MIA for about a week just before Christmas and case numbers rising . Busy with Brexit .

    And sure Stephen Donnelly has never been able to say or do the right thing .


  • #6196
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This is a worrying finding. Covid found in ice cream. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/

    Covid99. Great thats all we need.


  • #6197
    Stheno
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    Yeah I kind of wish the NPHET letters were made more visible to let people make up their own minds. The government did not issue clear instructions at all and that confused the matter entirely. If iirc the CMO actually got lambasted for suggesting people think twice before attending restaurants in a tweet.

    Fair point

    I had at risk people and a very large amount of siblings who would mix socially to consider and after being careful all year I was more risk averse as a result and paid a fair bit of attention to what was being advised

    Tbh most people in my admittedly small social circle were the same so I thought it was the norm

    I did have a few nice meals out with the OH :) and we enjoyed our break over Christmas, but we are not massive Christmas people


  • #6198
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Agreed .

    Never said that was the message from NPHET . They never wanted so much opened ,and were " concerned" that numbers were not low enough going into this in December
    It was the government allowing the message that more mixing was ok at a time when mixing would be at its highest.
    The fall back message on Christmas week , by government, to opening windows , and not flying home etc was not a strong enough message and was too little too late .
    No mixing unfortunately is ok with this virus .

    There was a good article in the Irish Times before the Christmas on how to mix safely at a Christmas time.

    Some of my colleagues had plans for family dinners with mixing households and it fell on deaf ears. They weren't going to sit in thier homes with the windows open, freezing their arses off. A colleague of mine wanted her parents to come as usual and one of her parents sent that link to her and she was complaining of the article and opening windows in her home. It was a simple measure to keep all as safe as possible, in case any of her family have been exposed and become infectious and not know about it. It was unlikely the parents would have the virus because they were isolating. She felt very hard done by. She wanted her parents to come and visit her but she refused a measure that could keep them safe.

    There's so much blame towards the government and NHPET but there also comes a point where the population also bears a responsibility in this mess. Some people were going to do what they want to do no matter what and government guidelines weren't going to stop them.


  • #6199
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    If the message was mixed, it was a mix of "be extremely careful" and "be very careful". There is absolutely no evidence that that mix contained the "You're allowed go nuts and have a magical Christmas" message that people are claiming they heard.

    Even then it's pretty obvious that people disregarded the message en masse and met up in large groups around Christmas anyway, so why are people hung up on what the ignored message was?

    It was obvious a week before Christmas that we were in big trouble. It was obvious to some of us here even earlier.

    On December 19th we passed 5% test positivity. By WHO definitions, the virus was out of control.
    The pubs and restaurants stayed open for another week. And were incredibly busy.


  • #6200
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Covid99. Great thats all we need.

    I'll take two please :pac:


  • #6201
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Family member works in a privately run nursing home. They got tested late last week and got vaccinated this week. 9 residents tested positive and 3 sadly died. A few workers tested positive as well. The had no outbreaks until now. Sad that it was only a few days before they got vaccinated. They don’t get sick pay either which is an absolute disgrace.

    They will get paid through social welfare like everyone who tests positive and has to isolate.

    Stop spreading misinformation.


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  • #6202
    hmmm
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    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    If the message was mixed, it was a mix of "be extremely careful" and "be very careful". There is absolutely no evidence that that mix contained the "You're allowed go nuts and have a magical Christmas" message that people are claiming they heard.
    We discussed it on here before Christmas, with many of us saying it was the obvious message that was being communicated:

    From 26 November https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115432283: "Sends out the wrong message entirely I think. "Go mad for a few weeks, and then back into lockdown for a few weeks afterwards to make up for it"."


  • #6203
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    I actually think the message of choosing restaurants or family at Christmas did get through to a lot of people

    I only got out for 1 meal with my fiance as we were both having family for Christmas and were being careful

    Dad and his siblings went on a rota system so they could visit nana safely over a couple of days

    In 2019 we had a major sing song and for many years previously with nana and grandad when he was alive

    None of that this year

    In my social circle others did similar

    Of course you did have people who took the mick but the vast majority didn't


  • #6204
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    By those maths we're still looking at around 1k cases a day 21 days from now
    A 7-day average of about 1,350 for the week ending 6th February, yeah. Which will be touching on 1,000/day by 6th.

    Very far out for a prediction though. Lots that can change, between changes in behaviour, changes in restrictions, changes in testing, etc.

    I'd be more inclined to keep eyes on the prize short term. If the 7-day average next Saturday is around 3,000, then we're still on track.


  • #6205
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I clearly remember Tony Hoolahan saying before Xmas if you have socialised and plan on seeing your family on Xmas day you need to isolate now.

    Jesus when will this country stand up and take responsibility for their own actions?

    It wasn't the government, NHPET, Leo, Stephen Donnelly, MM, or Santa Claus who gave 50,000 people covid over xmas.

    The government will hold your hand, but they draw the line at breastfeeding.

    Man up and own your actions and consequences.


  • #6206
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    Actually on Dec. 11th the department of the Taoiseach said



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/restrict-contacts-now-if-visiting-vulnerable-over-christmas-government-says-1.4434055%3fmode=amp

    Yes I remember that . After the two weeks of retail and hospitality already opened up and cases rising .
    My point being NPHET had advised one or the other , which the government chose not to go by , and then started back peddling when they realised it was going badly .

    I am not saying that individuals were wrong to quietly celebrate but the mixed messages sent out by government in December did not serve anybody well .
    A lot of people went by NPHETs advice but a lot more did what the government told them was ok to do .


  • #6207
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I actually think the message of choosing restaurants or family at Christmas did get through to a lot of people

    I only got out for 1 meal with my fiance as we were both having family for Christmas and were being careful

    Dad and his siblings went on a rota system so they could visit nana safely over a couple of days

    In 2019 we had a major sing song and for many years previously with nana and grandad when he was alive

    None of that this year

    In my social circle others did similar

    Of course you did have people who took the mick but the vast majority didn't

    There's all sorts of data that suggests the majority went on a bit of a mad one.


  • #6208
    [Deleted User]
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    All I say is my little cat living with me in the apartment is a little godsend. This time last year he had advancing bone cancer; radical surgery salvaged him, and he has been entertaining me no end in my isolation!


  • #6209
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    How is it even a viable product?

    There's something going on there.

    Always been an EColi contamination risk , maybe its remnants of digested Covid coming through :o


  • #6210
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I clearly remember Tony Hoolahan saying before Xmas if you have socialised and plan on seeing your family on Xmas day you need to isolate now.

    Jesus when will this country stand up and take responsibility for their own actions?

    It wasn't the government, NHPET, Leo, Stephen Donnelly, MM, or Santa Claus who gave 50,000 people covid over xmas.

    The government will hold your hand, but they draw the line at breastfeeding.

    Man up and own your actions and consequences.
    Ultimately the government is responsible for the decision to open shops and pubs and allow household visits.....

    A week before xmas,numbers were climbing and exploded out of control with the finish up from work parties.....

    Keeping pubs open past the 18th was a diaster and only one crowd had power to.close em


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  • #6211
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Deleted User wrote: »
    All I say is my little cat living with me in the apartment is a little godsend. This time last year he had advancing bone cancer; radical surgery salvaged him, and he has been entertaining me no end in my isolation!

    He's lucky he's a cat. No queuing in ED's or waiting on trolleys for our pets - care is available 24/7 for them. Mind you, they are not depending on a Medical Card for their treatment - more like Mastercard!

    But I'm sure you'd say pheckit, they're worth it!


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