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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9032
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    What are total deaths for January now?


  • #9033
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Yeah but, did he die?

    My Aunt in London was in ICU with it in April. 83 y old.. didn't kill her either. But she's on an oxygen machine at home now.


  • #9034
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    The support bubble is only for those needing essential care. It's no longer for two homes or two friends to meet up.

    Support bubbles are still allowed
    The government has today agreed that Level 5 as set out in the Plan for Living with COVID-19 will apply nationally.

    This will come into effect at midnight tonight, 30 December for all measures, with the exception of non-essential retail and gyms, leisure centres and swimming pools. These businesses should close from close of business on 31 December. Level 5 restrictions will remain in place until midnight on 31 January 2021.

    The government has considered a number of factors in arriving at this decision, particularly NPHET concerns that the epidemiological profile of COVID-19 has continued to deteriorate very substantially.

    It is recognised that this decision will have an impact on people’s lives and livelihoods, but the clear message is that we must all now stay at home, with the exception of essential purposes, in order to stop the spread of the virus. Supports such as the PUP and the CRSS will continue to be made available to those impacted. A double payment of the CRSS, up to a maximum of €5,000 a week will be available to those subject to restrictions this week and next week. Furthermore, businesses affected will be able to avail of commercial rates relief for the first three months of 2021. The Employment Wage Subsidy Scheme (EWSS) is also available to help maintain people in jobs, along with extensive tax warehousing arrangements, reduced VAT rates, the spend and stay scheme, a range of reduced cost loans, grants and voucher schemes.

    The government further agreed that the ban on air travel and passenger travel on ferries from the UK will be extended to 6 January. As a similar new strain has been identified in South Africa, this ban will also apply to South Africa until 6 January.

    Overview of restrictions

    Family and social gatherings

    no visitors are permitted in private homes/gardens (except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble)

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/#


  • #9035
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/#who-can-form-a-support-bubble

    Where does it say that? Going by the information in the link above, you can form a support bubble if you live alone, so as not to risk social isolation. It doesn’t mention anything about essential care.

    Here. The bubble exists but not at present as it's generally described.

    No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes


  • #9036
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here




    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

    Yeah, read the last part of your quote


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  • #9037
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Good to see our 14 day incidence down below 1000 per 100,000 people. It will fall below 900 tomorrow.

    The progress we've made over the past 2 weeks is as good as we could possibly have hoped for. It's so sad that our cases went up to such high levels but we look to have it under control again. Things will look a lot better in 3 weeks time, we should have case numbers well below 1000 and hospital under much less pressure.


  • #9038
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here. The bubble exists but not at present as it's generally described.




    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

    You've literally contradicted yourself with what you quoted.
    Did you even read it?


  • #9039
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    77 deaths. Absolutely relentless this thing.

    R. I. P. to them all.


  • #9040
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Great to be under 2000 cases

    Nice psychological boost

    Strange thing to say when theirs 77 deaths tbh


  • #9041
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Avoidable deaths.


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  • #9042
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The support bubble is definitely still allowed, as it was before Christmas..... between friends or family members who are isolated, alone, vulnerable. It does not have to be to provide essential care. There is a difference.
    My support bubble is with my daughter in Limerick. I live in Louth. She had a baby 7 weeks ago and she is struggling and very tired as the baby has severe reflux and she also has a 19 month old. I have travelled a few times to be with her since Christmas. Absolutely no problem at all with Garda checkpoints.


  • #9043
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stheno wrote: »
    You've literally contradicted yourself with what you quoted.
    Did you even read it?
    Yep, I did and it's pretty clear there is an extra restriction on support bubbles.


  • #9044
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here. The bubble exists but not at present as it's generally described.




    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes


    You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

    are living alone with children under the age of 18
    live alone
    share parenting or custody arrangements
    live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
    live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in carer


  • #9045
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    What are total deaths for January now?
    613 I think. Fairly grim. 22% of all deaths


  • #9046
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The support bubble is definitely still allowed, as it was before Christmas..... between friends or family members who are isolated, alone, vulnerable. It does not have to be to provide essential care. There is a difference.
    My support bubble is with my daughter in Limerick. I live in Louth. She had a baby 7 weeks ago and she is struggling and very tired as the baby has severe reflux and she also has a 19 month old. I have travelled a few times to be with her since Christmas. Absolutely no problem at all with Garda checkpoints.
    Not as it was allowed as a social activity. Your case is clearly essential care


  • #9047
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not as it was allowed as a social activity. Your case is clearly essential care

    You are allowed form a bubble if you live alone


    You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

    are living alone with children under the age of 18
    live alone
    share parenting or custody arrangements
    live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
    live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in carer



    It does not specify for what reason at all


  • #9048
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

    are living alone with children under the age of 18
    live alone
    share parenting or custody arrangements
    live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
    live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in carer
    That's the support bubble definition. The updated main document from January 16 says essential care only. Hopefully it will return to its original form soon enough.


  • #9049
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,503 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Be right back wrote: »
    Very high number of deaths. May they rest in peace.

    Was always going to be the outcome down the line if your getting multiple thousand daily cases


  • #9050
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not as it was allowed as a social activity. Your case is clearly essential care

    I posted the link re support bubbles on gov.ie where it gives the definition of a bubble, can you show me where it mentions essential care?


  • #9051
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's the support bubble definition. The updated main document from January 16 says essential care only.

    If her friend is lonely and needs to see others then it’s essential in my book


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  • #9052
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Strange thing to say when theirs 77 deaths tbh
    The lower the cases the lower the deaths will be in a few weeks. The current high daily deaths is because we were getting on average 6,000 cases per day.


  • #9053
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    I posted the link re support bubbles on gov.ie where it gives the definition of a bubble, can you show me where it mentions essential care?

    Here. Under Social and family gatherings. There's also a link there to the bubble support page.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes


  • #9054
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    If her friend is lonely and needs to see others then it’s essential in my book

    Exactly, that's the literal point of the support bubble.


  • #9055
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    If her friend is lonely and needs to see others then it’s essential in my book
    I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.


  • #9056
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

    That still allows people living alone meet another person?


  • #9057
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Strange thing to say when theirs 77 deaths tbh

    The deaths occurring now are unfortunately an inevitable result of the previous high case numbers. The deaths that occur two months from now are still to be determined. If we continue our good progress we can reduce these potential deaths even further through the reduction in cases. That is the positive we can focus on. Our cases are going in the right direction, our deaths and hospitalisations will slowly follow if we keep this rate of reduction going. So far so good.

    At least now there is a chance our hospitals ICUs might cope. It'll be very fcking close.


  • #9058
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

    It even mentions a support bubble in your link?
    And a support bubble can be formed if you live alone .


  • #9059
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Here. Under Social and family gatherings. There's also a link there to the bubble support page.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

    It literally lists 'support bubble' as one of the essential reasons.


  • #9060
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    That still allows people living alone meet another person?

    Yes it does



    Social and family gatherings
    In your home or garden

    No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.


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  • #9061
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

    Read your own link very carefully


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