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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

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  • #3092
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    khalessi wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/special-schools-may-be-permitted-to-reopen-on-a-voluntary-basis-1.4464671

    This leaked to irish times schools maybe permitted to reopen on a voluntary basis.

    I thought they were going to wait until decisions were definite

    So after refusing to let Claremorris act locally, because it now suits her to try to get a win, she will let schools open locally to try to divide unions...

    Does she not get that whatever the public feels about teachers (see Hellrazers hilarious rant up above), the public loves SNAs. Snas are the nurses of the educational sector, you don't go there...


  • #3093
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    My God, this thread has taken a turn for the worst the last few pages! It's almost as if posters who were banned from other Covid threads have decided to descend in here as they're now running out of other Covid threads to post in!!


  • #3094
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭daheff


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Are ye happy for educators to stop working completely so until schools return? Because thats what pup is

    in a lot of cases it might as well have.

    A lot of people might get an email a week from their kids teachers with work to do. I know the email we get barely covers and hours work a day.

    I've heard of a number of people's teachers who won't do any kind of live calls (zoom or otherwise) because they say that some children may not have access to the internet.

    Even so, is it not better to educate those who can and try to catch up those who can't at a later stage?

    I'd hazard a guess that most families would have parents with smartphones that could access teams/zoom/skype etc. ****admittedly there are sections of society that this would not work.


    So to say that educators stopping working would be a big issue..not so sure it would. Mostly its parents who are now trying to do their own jobs wfh, squeezing in the school work with children


  • #3095
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭daheff


    penny piper wrote: »
    Why should Teachers be put on a lower salary if they are doing their job???
    Never said that.

    But lets be real here...most teachers are not doing the job they are employed to do....they are only scratching at what they would do if they were in the school.
    penny piper wrote: »

    Some jobs you can do from home some you can't fact.
    agreed...teaching you can do...but teachers are not working at it as they could do.


  • #3096
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    daheff wrote: »
    I've heard of a number of people's teachers who won't do any kind of live calls (zoom or otherwise) because they say that some children may not have access to the internet.

    I've heard of schools following full live timetables, the blended approach between prerecorded material and live lessons and a lot of very happy parents.

    Meet any of these people at any stage?


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  • #3097
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    daheff wrote: »
    in a lot of cases it might as well have.

    A lot of people might get an email a week from their kids teachers with work to do. I know the email we get barely covers and hours work a day.

    I've heard of a number of people's teachers who won't do any kind of live calls (zoom or otherwise) because they say that some children may not have access to the internet.

    Even so, is it not better to educate those who can and try to catch up those who can't at a later stage?

    I'd hazard a guess that most families would have parents with smartphones that could access teams/zoom/skype etc. ****admittedly there are sections of society that this would not work.


    So to say that educators stopping working would be a big issue..not so sure it would. Mostly its parents who are now trying to do their own jobs wfh, squeezing in the school work with children

    Good to know, maybe i should just stop working 9-4 with my kids next week as it wouldn't be an issue.


  • #3098
    CapriciousOne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭CapriciousOne


    daheff wrote: »
    Never said that.

    But lets be real here...most teachers are not doing the job they are employed to do....they are only scratching at what they would do if they were in the school.


    agreed...teaching you can do...but teachers are not working at it as they could do.

    Can you link to the data which shows this? Thanks.


  • #3099
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    daheff wrote: »
    But lets be real here...most teachers are not doing the job they are employed to do....

    While we're "getting real"

    You got a source for that or just making it up as you go along?


  • #3100
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    https://twitter.com/ThomasPringleTD/status/1352355194709946371


    Another td commenting on a larger system failure such as OT and assessment of need waiting lists


  • #3101
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    daheff wrote: »
    Never said that.

    But lets be real here...most teachers are not doing the job they are employed to do....they are only scratching at what they would do if they were in the school.


    agreed...teaching you can do...but teachers are not working at it as they could do.

    Quelle suprise who thanked this post.

    Again, the gross generalisations, most teachers, not working.


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  • #3102
    Beasty
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    JP100 wrote: »
    My God, this thread has taken a turn for the worst the last few pages! It's almost as if posters who were banned from other Covid threads have decided to descend in here as they're now running out of other Covid threads to post in!!
    More crap like this and you will be threadbanned

    And just a warning to anyone who has been previously threadbanned but allowed back in. You can expect any second threadban to be permanent

    Now back on the topic, and stop discussing other posters as my patience is wearing very thin


  • #3103
    Beasty
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Quelle suprise who thanked this post.

    and again

    you are one of those previously threadbanned but still cannot resist


  • #3104
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    The only nerve that seems to be inflamed here is yours.
    Your post comes across as unfairly mocking and derogatory.
    Perhaps you should take it up with your kids' teachers instead of taking it out here on people who don't deserve it.

    As I said Ive obviously hit a nerve here considering the reaction to my previous rant - anyone that reacted care to let us know if you are involved in the education of our children???

    I was only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

    I have my opinion and you have yours. I see no evidence of my childrens schools doing anything to help my children out especially my young lad in leaving cert or even give any sense of normality with online schooling.

    Im sick of hearing about the poor teachers. They are paid to do a job and if they arent doing that job they should be put on the PUP like the rest of the country.

    Mind you I have said the same about other public servants aswell so Im not just picking on the teachers.


  • #3105
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭daheff


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    I've heard of schools following full live timetables, the blended approach between prerecorded material and live lessons and a lot of very happy parents.

    Meet any of these people at any stage?

    not yet. feel free to pass me over their numbers & schools they go to so that I can put our principal in touch with them. That way we can't be told that the school is doing all they can like all the other schools.


  • #3106
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    As I said Ive obviously hit a nerve here considering the reaction to my previous rant - anyone that reacted care to let us know if you are involved in the education of our children???

    I was only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

    I have my opinion and you have yours. I see no evidence of my childrens schools doing anything to help my children out especially my young lad in leaving cert or even give any sense of normality with online schooling.

    Im sick of hearing about the poor teachers. They are paid to do a job and if they arent doing that job they should be put on the PUP like the rest of the country.

    Mind you I have said the same about other public servants aswell so Im not just picking on the teachers.

    So you admit it was a complete rant?

    You came in here to go on a rant about your school. You generalised from that out to the entire teaching profession. You admit you don’t like public servants.

    What was the point of this except to bash teachers? Have you spoke to your school or the teachers in question?


  • #3107
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Norma and Josepha seem to be ignoring what they've been asked to do by some of their party colleagues and enter this tunnel where they basically shut the hell up with the off the record briefings to CoB and the likes.


  • #3108
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭daheff


    CapriciousOne wrote: »
    Can you link to the data which shows this? Thanks.


    can you link me data that disproves this?
    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    While we're "getting real"

    You got a source for that or just making it up as you go along?
    not making it up. this is what i am seeing with my own children and what friends and colleagues are relaying me from their situations

    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Good to know, maybe i should just stop working 9-4 with my kids next week as it wouldn't be an issue.

    you are working 9-4 with your kids but yet still able to post multiple times on boards during this time. Are you really working with them as hard as you could be?


  • #3109
    meisce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭meisce


    daheff wrote: »
    Never said that.

    But lets be real here...most teachers are not doing the job they are employed to do....they are only scratching at what they would do if they were in the school.


    agreed...teaching you can do...but teachers are not working at it as they could do.

    I must go and ask my Mrs what she is really doing on all those online classes she has between 08.30 and 16.00 every day. Because if she isn't teaching her full timetable, then why is she correcting work from kids every night until nearly midnight and spending half her weekend planning classes for the next week.


  • #3110
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    As I said Ive obviously hit a nerve here considering the reaction to my previous rant - anyone that reacted care to let us know if you are involved in the education of our children???

    I was only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

    I have my opinion and you have yours. I see no evidence of my childrens schools doing anything to help my children out especially my young lad in leaving cert or even give any sense of normality with online schooling.

    Im sick of hearing about the poor teachers. They are paid to do a job and if they arent doing that job they should be put on the PUP like the rest of the country.

    Mind you I have said the same about other public servants aswell so Im not just picking on the teachers.

    Well i for one am doing my job Monday to Friday, 9 - 4, am i a useless lazy public servant that deserves to be on PUP? So sick of this crap, the vast majority of teachers and SNAs i know are working harder than ever for our kids and we have to listen to this inane drivel day in and day out from the likes of yourself, our leaders and our national media. Its beyond demoralising when we are trying our best.


  • #3111
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    As I have said before, we are very happy with how both the Primary and Secondary Schools our kids attend are handling things.
    Maybe we are just lucky, I don't know.

    Our son (Secondary) has a full day every day. Pretty much all Classes are live. If they are not live then they have assigned work. No complaints there.

    The Primary Teacher is brilliant. He sets assigned work daily not weekly, records videos of himself at a white board, has 3 hours of Live Classes a week and is phoning us Parents personally once a week to check in.

    I felt bad about all the individual corrections he needs to do and suggested that my Husband and I could correct the Maths, English, History etc and to send them in corrected and just need him to correct the Irish but he wouldn't hear of it.


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  • #3112
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    As I said Ive obviously hit a nerve here considering the reaction to my previous rant - anyone that reacted care to let us know if you are involved in the education of our children???

    I was only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

    I have my opinion and you have yours. I see no evidence of my childrens schools doing anything to help my children out especially my young lad in leaving cert or even give any sense of normality with online schooling.

    Im sick of hearing about the poor teachers. They are paid to do a job and if they arent doing that job they should be put on the PUP like the rest of the country.

    Mind you I have said the same about other public servants aswell so Im not just picking on the teachers.

    How can you seriously say your children are geting work from school and also say they there is no evidence of school helping your children?

    I'm sick of ill informed idiots with an axe to grind ranting and raving with such blinkered views that they cannot even see that they are contradicting themselves.


  • #3113
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Was it just me who understood previous instructions from one of the mods who moderates in here meant that mention of PUP, cutting teacher pay and the likes was banned and it was just said to flame things?

    Did I just misunderstand that?


  • #3114
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    daheff wrote: »
    can you link me data that disproves this?

    not making it up. this is what i am seeing with my own children and what friends and colleagues are relaying me from their situations




    you are working 9-4 with your kids but yet still able to post multiple times on boards during this time. Are you really working with them as hard as you could be?

    Lovely personal attack, currently waiting for my students live class to finish so he can come to me and we will work through his home work. But what do you care as long as you can make me feel useless.


  • #3115
    Beasty
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    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    So you admit it was a complete rant?

    You came in here to go on a rant about your school. You generalised from that out to the entire teaching profession. You admit you don’t like public servants.

    What was the point of this except to bash teachers? Have you spoke to your school or the teachers in question?
    My warnings were right there - staring you in the face

    Threadbanned


  • #3116
    Beasty
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    History Queen wrote: »
    How can you seriously say your children are geting work from school and also say they there is no evidence of school helping your children?

    I'm sick of ill informed idiots with an axe to grind ranting and raving with such blinkered views that they cannot even see that they are contradicting themselves.
    Threadbanned

    I'm happy to threadban the lot of you if you continue like this


  • #3117
    Beasty
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Was it just me who understood previous instructions from one of the mods who moderates in here meant that mention of PUP, cutting teacher pay and the likes was banned and it was just said to flame things?

    Did I just misunderstand that?
    Threadbanned


  • #3118
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Its really beginning to feel like educator bashing is tolerated in here and anyone that calls it out is getting punished.

    Thats 3 teachers (i believe) banned


  • #3119
    Beasty
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    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Lovely personal attack, currently waiting for my students live class to finish so he can come to me and we will work through his home work. But what do you care as long as you can make me feel useless.

    Threadbanned


  • #3120
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Hellrazer wrote: »

    Im sick of hearing about the poor teachers. They are paid to do a job and if they arent doing that job they should be put on the PUP like the rest of the country.

    The quirky thing about the PUP (and I've been on it) is the very subtle middle letter U, standing for unemployment.

    So you want to make teachers officially unemployed? Great, what happens then?

    My anecdote is that my kids are doing okay and their teachers are doing okay in very abnormal circumstances

    Fecking PUP. Put that stupid argument to bed please everybody.


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  • #3121
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭daheff


    Crocodile Booze wrote: »
    The quirky thing about the PUP (and I've been on it) is the very subtle middle letter U, standing for unemployment.

    So you want to make teachers officially unemployed? Great, what happens then?

    My anecdote is that my kids are doing okay and their teachers are doing okay in very abnormal circumstances

    Fecking PUP. Put that stupid argument to bed please everybody.


    Nobody wants to make anybody unemployed.

    the point being made is that some people don't feel teachers are too eager to get back to classroom teaching, but that if they were faced with a cut in wages that their stance may change.


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