Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

iamwhoiam · 21-01-2021 09:28PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Great - golf courses to open for those within 5km from Feb 1st I assume?

No idea . I don’t make the recommendations . NPHET have no issue with two people walking together with distance between them .

polesheep · 21-01-2021 09:28PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well the poster seems to be making point that people should be wearing masks while out walking.

But if they are so interested in not spreading the virus, then perhaps we should all refrain from meeting up with People for the month of January, even if it outdoors.

We weren't doing it in March and April.

You weren't. Lots of others were and what harm.

Loafing Oaf · 21-01-2021 09:30PM

Leitrim setting the standards for the rest of us.:eek:

Polar101 · 21-01-2021 09:33PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Leitrim setting the standards for the rest of us.:eek:

We knew things were bad a while back, when even Leitrim had double digit cases. Seems to be getting back to normal now.

spookwoman · 21-01-2021 09:43PM

Briefing v Confirmed numbers

Renault 5 · 21-01-2021 09:45PM

I was told today that 1/3 of the people currently in hospital with COVID-19 actually caught the virus in hospital and not in the community or close contact setting.

Any truth to that?

brick tamland · 21-01-2021 09:49PM

Renault 5 wrote: »

I was told today that 1/3 of the people currently in hospital with COVID-19 actually caught the virus in hospital and not in the community or close contact setting.

Any truth to that?

Nope. Its about 50% apparently

KrustyUCC · 21-01-2021 10:08PM

Jeez things are bad when George Lee gives a somewhat balanced interview

Eod100 · 21-01-2021 10:12PM

Looks like EU trying to coordinate travel restrictions. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/growing-pressure-for-ban-on-non-essential-travel-within-eu-1.4464621?mode=amp#.YAnsgl4xXOw.twitter

Stheno · 21-01-2021 10:15PM

brick tamland wrote: »

Nope. Its about 50% apparently

From the indo

The numbers of healthcare workers and patients contracting the disease in healthcare settings is the highest it has been since the beginning of the pandemic.

Health officials are concerned about the spread of the disease in residential and healthcare settings and among people aged over 65, as the virus remains at “exceptionally high levels in the community”.

This comes as Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said in the Dáil today that a third of Covid-19 patients in hospital contracted the virus while in hospital.

Speaking in the Dáil, he said that people may be admitted to hospital without being positive for Covid-19 and get infected afterwards.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/number-of-people-contracting-covid-in-healthcare-settings-at-highest-since-beginning-of-pandemic-39996477.html

one armed dwarf · 21-01-2021 10:22PM

A third seems about in line with what's happening in UK hospitals also.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n70

Cluedo Monopoly · 21-01-2021 10:46PM

Polar101 wrote: »

We knew things were bad a while back, when even Leitrim had double digit cases. Seems to be getting back to normal now.

Leitrim will never be normal...

patnor1011 · 21-01-2021 10:47PM

Can anyone in the know tell me how many cycles are used when PCR test is analysed in Ireland? Some old info obtained under freedom of information mentioned 35-45 cycles.

According to the latest WHO notice
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

-WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed.
-The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load.
-Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

This translates to “in the absence of symptoms, a high Ct value means you are highly unlikely to become ill or get anyone else sick in the absence of very recent exposure to an infected person.”

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, the confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

In short, a positive PCR test in the absence of symptoms means nothing at a Ct of higher than 30, according to the experts interviewed by the New York Times and according to Jaafar et al. Yet positive tests is the number RTE loves to proudly display every evening at 6 pm.

21-01-2021 11:00PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Can anyone in the know tell me how many cycles are used when PCR test is analysed in Ireland? Some old info obtained under freedom of information mentioned 35-45 cycles.

According to the latest WHO notice
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

-WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed.
-The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load.
-Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

This translates to “in the absence of symptoms, a high Ct value means you are highly unlikely to become ill or get anyone else sick in the absence of very recent exposure to an infected person.”

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, the confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

In short, a positive PCR test in the absence of symptoms means nothing at a Ct of higher than 30, according to the experts interviewed by the New York Times and according to Jaafar et al. Yet positive tests is the number RTE loves to proudly display every evening at 6 pm.

But if that’s right, and cases are overstated, it means the hospitalisation and death rate is much higher. Which isn’t great.

Stheno · 21-01-2021 11:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But if that’s right, and cases are overstated, it means the hospitalisation and death rate is much higher. Which isn’t great.

Martina on here has explained how it works.

AFAIK any positive over 30 cycles is retested automatically

Maybe she will see this and explain again

Summer2020 · 21-01-2021 11:08PM

I wish they’d stop giving these zero Covid zealots airtime.

lawred2 · 21-01-2021 11:09PM

Who's this lad? Is he a zero covid advocate?

jojofizzio · 21-01-2021 11:10PM

Tomas Ryan getting a bit stroppy on prime time

odyssey06 · 21-01-2021 11:10PM

There is a twitter thread from Cillian de Gascun explaining the PCR cycles... absolutely nothing to suggest it is behind a 'casedemic' if that is the reason for the query and explaining why ranges 30-35 are treated as positives

https://mobile.twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1305251379510996993

plodder · 21-01-2021 11:11PM

Summer2020 wrote: »

I wish they’d stop giving these zero Covid zealots airtime.

"We shouldn't be catastrophising ... but this government has killed people"

Thank God that fella Mark Paul was there to talk some sense.

Dr. Bre · 21-01-2021 11:13PM

Zero covid impossible. Dream on

lawred2 · 21-01-2021 11:14PM

Who's this lad worried about the tourist industry?

That's dead as it is.

Tenzor07 · 21-01-2021 11:17PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Who's this lad worried about the tourist industry?
That's dead as it is.

Talking through his Hat.. There is no Tourism happening in Ireland north or south...
The issue is getting an agreement between the Unionists, Boris and Mehole Martin... just look at Brexit to see how well that could go...

Hubertj · 21-01-2021 11:20PM

The 0 COVID academics seem to have the support of PBP which really says it all. Their “policy” document is extremely light in detail. How is mandatory quarantine managed? How many people can come into Ireland at any time? How is the Irish border managed? Do we deploy the army? Who is classified as an essential worker and not subject to quarantine? How are such people monitored?
Regarding international travel I don’t think it is right till I people up but there should definitely be better controls in place.

Tenzor07 · 21-01-2021 11:23PM

Hubertj wrote: »

The 0 COVID academics seem to have the support of PBP which really says it all. Their “policy” document is extremely light in detail. How is mandatory quarantine managed? How many people can come into Ireland at any time? How is the Irish border managed? Do we deploy the army? Who is classified as an essential worker and not subject to quarantine? How are such people monitored?
Regarding international travel I don’t think it is right till I people up but there should definitely be better controls in place.

Is Flute O'Neill part of that group of Zero Covid academics? He's on The Tonight Show going on about New Strains, closing down Travel fully... We better hope the virus doesn't get into the country on Food products or Live Animal transports...

agoodpunt · 21-01-2021 11:26PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Can anyone in the know tell me how many cycles are used when PCR test is analysed in Ireland? Some old info obtained under freedom of information mentioned 35-45 cycles.

According to the latest WHO notice
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

-WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed.
-The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load.
-Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

This translates to “in the absence of symptoms, a high Ct value means you are highly unlikely to become ill or get anyone else sick in the absence of very recent exposure to an infected person.”

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, the confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

In short, a positive PCR test in the absence of symptoms means nothing at a Ct of higher than 30, according to the experts interviewed by the New York Times and according to Jaafar et al. Yet positive tests is the number RTE loves to proudly display every evening at 6 pm.

Yep i was one told i was really neg 2 weeks later

Hubertj · 21-01-2021 11:28PM

plodder wrote: »

"We shouldn't be catastrophising ... but this government has killed people"

Thank God that fella Mark Paul was there to talk some sense.

What did mark Paul have to say?

Turtwig · 21-01-2021 11:31PM

Is mangling of peoples names really necessary?

I'm skeptical of zero covid implementation in Ireland. However, logistically what covid management plan are Ireland going for? There's no long term strategy. Think it's high time the critics of zero covid actually produce their own alternative framework to get us out of this mess.
As it stands it's a potential solution I'm warming to more and more as at least they have a proposal.

plodder · 21-01-2021 11:35PM

Hubertj wrote: »

What did mark Paul have to say?

Basically it's fine to leave the medical stuff to the medics, but the details of political agreements between states (eg north/south, east/west) it's best to leave that to politicians.

ginoginelli · 21-01-2021 11:41PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Great - golf courses to open for those within 5km from Feb 1st I assume?

They could open golf now. Strictly same household. Completely safe.

Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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