Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Smacruairi · 21-01-2021 06:08PM

the corpo wrote: »

Yeah, but they're only students, what would they know. In't that right, Norma?

To be fair, the same ISSU actually wanted 6th, 5th and 3rds back last week, until they actually got lashed out of it by their own members. Interesting that they've now totally changed their tune

fits · 21-01-2021 06:09PM

History Queen wrote: »

"Parents, teachers, SNAs, advocates have all received abuse online this week. Ultimately, they share the same goal – to get children their education, and give them some semblance of normality during this god-awful time."

Some of them have given abuse at well. The online behaviour of some folks tasked with educating children has been shocking. Just look at Adam Harris’ twitter account

wirelessdude01 · 21-01-2021 06:10PM

the corpo wrote: »

Yeah, but they're only students, what would they know. In't that right, Norma?

Student groups are always listened to as part of the infamous "partners in education" group that Norma constantly refers to, or so Norma would have us believe. Funny how one by one, that narrative is being dispelled.

History Queen · 21-01-2021 06:20PM

TTLF wrote: »

Uhhh, afaik right now I think they just wanted people's opinions because the ISSU can only influence the governments decision and wanted to see what the overall majority was so they could present it at Fridays meeting, but the full extent of the survey in depth can be seen here which I'm slowly going through, so they might have explain it here although I'm not too sure if they do, sorry.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d36029ba09e370001fa2248/t/6007fb145a52cd7123ad3795/1611135773637/ISSU+Report+on+the+2021+State+Examinations+and+Return+to+School.pdf

Hopefully that embeds.

Thanks a million for that TTLF.

I see they want classes to continue until May and also calculated grades to be an option. I can't see those desires as being compatible given the experience of last year.

History Queen · 21-01-2021 06:21PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

To be fair, the same ISSU actually wanted 6th, 5th and 3rds back last week, until they actually got lashed out of it by their own members. Interesting that they've now totally changed their tune

I'm also wondering did respondents have to register to vote or could anyone with a link vote or vote multiple times if they so wished?

Stateofyou · 21-01-2021 06:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone shuld tell their own contacts to isolate when the get the result. The contact tracers still follow up.

Some good data on it
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-testing-and-contact-tracing-update-21-january-2021.pdf

The point is, that is not good enough to send people back to work in a super risky environment without this important element functioning properly.

km79 · 21-01-2021 06:27PM

History Queen wrote: »

I'm also wondering did respondents have to register to vote or could anyone with a link vote or vote multiple times if they so wished?

This was my exact thought when I seen the results of the "survey". I am wondering did a vocal minority just spam vote. Was there bias in the questions ? It is hardly a very scientific survey I would say

TTLF · 21-01-2021 06:27PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Interesting. 73% of students feeling unsafe.
75% saying govt have been communicating poorly.
71% saying the govt is not giving enough support.

That is fairly convincing.

So students aren't happy with the govt., I think we can say teachers aren't happy with the govt, just left for the parents council to do or say something.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck right

I think its super safe bet to say that Parents in general aren't happy at all, My father sat the A Levels in Northern Ireland, so a lot of the time we have the British news on because he grew up to it, and he was saying to me how he's really surprised that unlike the A Levels/GCSE's being told it's cancelled, we're still stuck in limbo. His idea behind it was that Ireland is more education driven for its children, so its always way more of a priority to get schools working as quick as possible, whilst this isn't as big of an issue or concern in the UK he said.

From my own viewings of the BBC since it's always on, I think the UK made the right move with cancelling their exams. A friend of mine said they're doing continued assessment now and his grades have been higher than before getting averages from the smaller tests. He gets 6's (highest grade is 9) but, if he was in school he would be getting 4s/5s. :pac:

But I wonder why the parents unions didn't do any polls themselves? or if they did, its not public knowledge right now.

TTLF · 21-01-2021 06:32PM

History Queen wrote: »

Thanks a million for that TTLF.

I see they want classes to continue until May and also calculated grades to be an option. I can't see those desires as being compatible given the experience of last year.

I don't think we'll ever have an idea on what happens until it happens, just like last year the idea was to do traditional exams until the U turn on May 8th. Knowing how many times we've had U turns in the last few months/weeks, It's bound to happen again.

So I guess, for now we're going to be stuck in limbo. I'm not overly stressed about it, I can only try my best with assignments and ask for help when I need it. We can review the situation come late Feb since as I said before, the world could possibly be a "totally" different place just like November VS January.

You're welcome for the link! Happy to help. If you have any questions on the insights to how it's going for an actual student I'll always reply!

Stateofyou · 21-01-2021 06:34PM

Has the NPC been involved in any of this so far, anyone know? I've heard nothing.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 21-01-2021 06:35PM

Lady Farquaad says get back to school

History Queen · 21-01-2021 06:35PM

TTLF wrote: »

I don't think we'll ever have an idea on what happens until it happens, just like last year the idea was to do traditional exams until the U turn on May 8th. Knowing how many times we've had U turns in the last few months/weeks, It's bound to happen again.

So I guess, for now we're going to be stuck in limbo. I'm not overly stressed about it, I can only try my best with assignments and ask for help when I need it. We can review the situation come late Feb since as I said before, the world could possibly be a "totally" different place just like November VS January.

You're welcome for the link! Happy to help. If you have any questions on the insights to how it's going for an actual student I'll always reply!

You're right not to get overly stressed. Head down and do what you can. Keep focused and the best of luck to you.

Icyseanfitz · 21-01-2021 06:36PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Lady Farquaad says get back to school

Is that Norma in the dail? Ffs look at all the space

Smacruairi · 21-01-2021 06:36PM

National parents Council post primary last tweeted in November...

National parents Council primary just seems to retweet generic things.

So no sign of a survey etc.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 21-01-2021 06:47PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Is that Norma in the dail? Ffs look at all the space

We'd all teach in there

Convention Centre, shur you couldn't be in Dáil, not enuf space

solerina · 21-01-2021 06:48PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Is that Norma in the dail? Ffs look at all the space

She is in the very expensive and totally empty conference centre, I would gladly teach all my classes in there and she can use my classrooom !! Let’s swop Norma....

Stateofyou · 21-01-2021 06:48PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

National parents Council post primary last tweeted in November...

National parents Council primary just seems to retweet generic things.

So no sign of a survey etc.

Ridiculous.

Icyseanfitz · 21-01-2021 06:52PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

We'd all teach in there

Convention Centre, shur you couldn't be in Dáil, not enuf space

Its disgusting

km79 · 21-01-2021 06:58PM

http://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352313240945094657

JP100 · 21-01-2021 07:08PM

Very sad and very worrying. 536 deaths reported already so far this month.

mirrorwall14 · 21-01-2021 07:12PM

What in gods name is wrong with her? This is not helping. What an inflammatory comment to make. In the journal

Wombatman · 21-01-2021 07:17PM

I mean like WTF. This make headline sums it up really.........

"Ireland ‘nowhere near’ easing Level 5 but schools could reopen, Varadkar says"

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-nowhere-near-easing-level-5-but-schools-could-reopen-varadkar-says-1068105.html

Talk about a contradiction in terms.

SusanC10 · 21-01-2021 07:19PM

"In February". Maybe aiming for the 22nd ?

KrustyUCC · 21-01-2021 07:21PM

Wombatman wrote: »

I mean like WTF. This make headline sums it up really.........

"Ireland ‘nowhere near’ easing Level 5 but schools could reopen, Varadkar says"

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-nowhere-near-easing-level-5-but-schools-could-reopen-varadkar-says-1068105.html

Talk about a contradiction in terms.

Where's the contradiction?

This was explained by Ronan Glynn

"Speaking at a press briefing by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) earlier, Dr Ronan Glynn said that although there were no “zero-risk” environments, the re-opening of schools was in the best interests of children.

He explained that NPHET’s advice for people to stay at home was partly intended to allow limited sections of society to continue, and that health officials recognised that some people could not stay at home because their work would not allow them to do so."

So yes level 5 won't be lifted anytime soon but yet schools could go back in time

Schools were open during level 5 in October

It's too early for all schools to be back but maybe not limited students like special needs

TheValeyard · 21-01-2021 07:22PM

Wombatman wrote: »

I mean like WTF. This make headline sums it up really.........

"Ireland ‘nowhere near’ easing Level 5 but schools could reopen, Varadkar says"

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-nowhere-near-easing-level-5-but-schools-could-reopen-varadkar-says-1068105.html

Talk about a contradiction in terms.

Take them out of the convention centre and put them all back in the Dail.

Stateofyou · 21-01-2021 07:26PM

Wombatman wrote: »

I mean like WTF. This make headline sums it up really.........

"Ireland ‘nowhere near’ easing Level 5 but schools could reopen, Varadkar says"

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-nowhere-near-easing-level-5-but-schools-could-reopen-varadkar-says-1068105.html

Talk about a contradiction in terms.

WTF indeed. Turning attention now back to all children and those in the school community- if they haven't got a handle on covid yet and hospitals say they haven't seen the peak that available beds are a huge concern and we're sliding into Feb., why on earth should schools reopen.
Before I send my kids back, levels would have to be low, and enhanced/properly functioning safety measures would have to be in place first.
Jesus I'm sick to my back teeth now of being angry about this and having to worry about the two most precious things I have in my life. It really is so tiring and harmful having this dragged out for months on end. Government aren't listening. I no longer trust them to lead us at all.
Everything the unions are asking for now need to be in place as well for ALL our children especially in light of a new more virulent strain. Don't get me started on the scariness of the S.A one, and not responding to current vaccines, being even more contagious, etc. Can't face that one yet. All articles I see I bypass right now for my own health.
People have enough to be worrying about. Government needs to step the F up.

downthemiddle · 21-01-2021 07:35PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Lady Farquaad says get back to school

I don't think I would like to sit anywhere near her either!!!

21-01-2021 07:38PM

Am I seeing this correctly?

On the news we're hearing about huge numbers in hospital and many poor people losing their lives and unfortunately more to come. The govt are talking about an extension of lockdown.

But yet minutes later we have a headline report on how a special school in Tyrone (with a great range of facilities and staff) is staying open...and now a report on how people are struggling with home schooling!
Then telling people that govt hopes to be open on Feb 1st!!

What the actual fúck??

Stateofyou · 21-01-2021 07:40PM

Do you have a link for the article reporting an opening for Feb 1st? Jesus

wirelessdude01 · 21-01-2021 07:45PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Am I seeing this correctly?

On the news we're hearing about huge numbers in hospital and many poor people losing their lives and unfortunately more to come. The govt are talking about an extension of lockdown.

But yet minutes later we have a headline report on how a special school in Tyrone (with a great range of facilities and staff) is staying open...and now a report on how people are struggling with home schooling!
Then telling people that govt hopes to be open on Feb 1st!!

What the actual fúck??

Was it the six one news who suggested schools to reopen on Feb 1st and who said it?

If they are just reporting what Norma is intimating then I'll just ignore.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01