Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

y2k2020 wrote: »

Anything that requires hard work won't be done

Pacific countries have work ethic, us westerners have none

Which is why they are having concerts and laughing their heads off at us.

We are a bunch of morons

Why are you lazy?

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not a long finger job it's a No, always has been from him. Very early on he said "it's not what we do". The constant control the travel narrative ignores the fact that it is behaviours within the community which are spreading this.

I agree with you that fundamentally it is behaviour amongst the community that is driving the spread - at the moment.

And I was of the opinion that during the summer questions regarding travel were given too much prominence when the amount of imported cases was then miniscule, relative to "homegrown" cases. There is a danger that focusing too much on travel allows people to take their own eyes off the ball in their own behaviour.

But, at the same time, there is a danger posed by travel into the country. It has been flagged multiple times by NPHET and swathes of experts.

Obviously the relatively large amounts of people who travelled into the country through December played some significant role in the madness of case numbers that ensued. Travel did play a role.

And now there is the added risk of new variants being imported from abroad, we've already been burnt here. Why there isn't more caution in case of these eventualities is amazing to me.

And another aspect is once you lower cases, then the relative risk from imported cases increases substantially.

I completely understand the need for current restrictions, but I equally don't understand the completely ham fisted and lackadaisical approach taken to inbound travel into the country. It's farcicial that they have no concrete and robust measures of worth after nearly a year. It's actually negligent.

Arghus wrote: »

I agree with you that fundamentally it is behaviour amongst the community that is driving the spread - at the moment.

And I was of the opinion that during the summer questions regarding travel were given too much prominence when the amount of imported cases was then miniscule, relative to "homegrown" cases. There is a danger that focusing too much on travel allows people to take their own eyes off the ball in their own behaviour.

But, at the same time, there is a danger posed by travel into the country. It has been flagged multiple times by NPHET and swathes of experts.

Obviously the relatively large amounts of people who travelled into the country through December played some significant role in the madness of case numbers that ensued. Travel did play a role.

And now there is the added risk of new variants being imported from abroad, we've already been burnt here. Why there isn't more caution in case of these eventualities is amazing to me.

And another aspect is once you lower cases, then the relative risk from imported cases increases substantially.

I completely understand the need for current restrictions, but I equally don't understand the completely ham fisted and lackadaisical approach taken to inbound travel into the country. It's farcicial that they have no concrete and robust measures of worth after nearly a year. It's actually negligent.

There's a broad range of measures that could be inferred from the recommendations of the public health team being anything from enacting the current 'restriction of movements advisory' into a legal requirement, to measures as extreme as NZ or Australia with mandatory 'health hotel' quarantines. I suspect the maximum (and even this seems unlikely) that would be considered in Ireland would be a legally enforced restriction of movements until a negative test on day 5 from high risk countries. Given the efforts to enact this type of legislation and the fact that we are likely to see somewhat of a return to normality of at least intra EU travel in Q3 of 2021, it's probably not worth the effort.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Was there any swabs today?

There was indeed. 2300 swabs, 10.17% positivity rate. Bookmark this (IrishStuff09 developed the site)

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/

y2k2020 wrote: »

It's not the low hanging fruit anymore

It's the office's

So many people are coming into office's that can WFH it's ridiculous

Look at the HSE, they have a **** load of admin staff on site

If our own government won't do it for own staff, why would private care?

Have HSE ever heard of virtual machines or remote desktop?

Well a lot of the admin staff are needed on site. On site is where the patients are, where the medical teams and nursing are, and where the patient charts are. Mine and all of the admin staff around me revolve around physically being there for those reasons. I would imagine plenty of the non-hospital admin staff are indeed working from home.

But there are too many working. Busses are at 25% capacity and this week cut the service to Saturday timetables Monday-Friday. Lots of busses now can only serve the first 8 or so stops and then nothing else the whole way in. It's a nightmare. I have to talk to the start of the route to get on and am lucky it's not that much further than normal. Technically the busses should be fine if it was essential workers only.

I hadn't realised that Holohan's latest remarks were in a letter to the Minister for Health. It's not as bad so and I got my wires crossed.

Then again, when the headline is "Tony Holohan predicts as many as 1000 Covid deaths in January" as a news notification on my phone, I don't tend to click in for the daily gloom. Media-driven scaremongering.

I find its better for my mental health.

castletownman wrote: »

I hadn't realised that Holohan's latest remarks were in a letter to the Minister for Health. It's not as bad so and I got my wires crossed.

Then again, when the headline is "Tony Holohan predicts as many as 1000 Covid deaths in January" as a news notification on my phone, I don't tend to click in for the daily gloom. Media-driven scaremongering.

I find its better for my mental health.

Context makes a massive difference.

wadacrack wrote: »

It has plateaued tbh, Ro I would think is at about 1 or maybe abit below that hopefully.


https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1352275717925588992

Calculating R0 based on an incomplete survey of GPs is probably not the most reliable method.

A doctor on twitter pointed out that these numbers are possibly plateauing because GPs are referring close contacts (if they claim to have symptoms) for testing rather than the contact tracers, so this means GP referrals will stay higher as they are doing more of the referral work than normal.

Turtwig wrote: »

Would you prefer the CMO made up the facts for policymakers to base their decisions off?

Fwiw, In pretty much every one of his letters I've read there's pretty much a paragraph every time praising the Irish people for their effort and the enormous sacrifices being made by various demographics. Some of the hard hit groups that barely even get media coverage.

Literally the very first thing I heard when I tuned into the briefing was Philip Nolan, midsentence, saying: "... the people of Ireland have made exceptional efforts to bring the disease under control."

But yet the myth of the widespread unacknowledgement of that from NPHET will be repeated again and again.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

536 deaths reported so far this month.

Jesus, that's grim.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

536 deaths reported so far this month.

More than December and November combined and it's not even finished. Grim

Eod100 wrote: »

More than December and November combined and it's not even finished. Grim

Almost a third of the total deaths from the pandemic more or less are in January.

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Are we back testing close contacts?

Contact tracing still happens. Contacts are informed but not referred for a test.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1352317635766136832

That would still be good progress from where we were