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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #7682
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Thundercats Ho wrote: »
    One of the ladies in our office lives with her parents and her elderly grandparents.
    She's the only one who leaves the house for work.
    She asked if she could work from home as she's very worried about bringing covid back to her parents / grandparents.
    She was flat out denied, and told if she wanted to stay at home she could go on the PUP.
    My jaw hit the floor when i heard it as the 3 fellas that made the decision are all family men, so you'd imagine they'd understand that family comes first.

    Needless to say for her, and a few other there, their 1st priority is getting through the pandemic as safely as possible.
    2nd priority is to change job as soon as jobs become available.

    She could easily work from home btw, and did so for a couple of months, mid March to late May last year.
    quokula wrote: »
    There really should be a process or legal route to hold employers who do this to account, the same as if they tried to force someone to work through maternity leave or whatever.

    We expect individuals to show personal responsibility but allow companies to force people into completely unnecessary situations like this where they feel unsafe. Got so annoyed after reading this post. Even just the threat of some legal recourse would make companies think twice as no one would want a company name in the news around a story like this one but it is incredibly sad that this is what is needed for them to do the right thing during this time.


  • #7683
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Pretty much the plans for here I'd have thought?

    Could well be. Can't see a significant easing of restrictions this side of Easter.


  • #7684
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    seamus wrote: »
    Look at the guy's website.

    All buzzwords, but says absolutely nothing. Meaningless nonsense about "building a better earth", but no indication about what, if anything, his company actually does.

    He's a total spoofer. A paddy cosgrave type.

    Maybe you need to reimagine yourself!

    :pac:

    Its like a corporate B.S. generator


  • #7685
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Could well be. Can't see a significant easing of restrictions this side of Easter.

    Nope

    That tallies with the leaks about hospitality last week

    Couldn't have anything open before bank Holidays here


  • #7686
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Could well be. Can't see a significant easing of restrictions this side of Easter.

    Unfortunately looks like that at this stage. Level 4 once cases/hospital numbers allow it (schools/construction and maybe even hairdressers/gyms/non-essential retail). Then level 3 (or even 2) once Easter has past and all the over-70's are vaccinated. I'm still holding out hope for a relatively normal summer post June!


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  • #7687
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,872 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Purple Papillon wrote: »
    Is Orla O donnel a news reporter and is she reporting from court? Did Gemma O Doherty really come out with that line - 'people who died of covid had underlying conditions and were going to die anyways'. Its hard to see if a judge entertaining that nonsense. A judge would want to see some evidence if what's she's saying is true.

    She should cite her FOI request that proved the virus is fictitious. https://www.thejournal.ie/freedom-of-information-request-covid-19-hse-does-not-exist-5312279-Dec2020/ That would surely settle the case...


  • #7688
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    techdiver wrote: »
    I know you won't name the company (nor would I expect you to), but places like this should be exposed for the way they treat employees.

    This makes my blood boil. That is criminal negligence and also copperfastens my opinion that the softy softy approach by government towards businesses who don't allow people to work from home at the moment is not working. There should be a mandated closure of all offices at this point. They have had 10 month to get proper structures in place for remote working and it's on them if they haven't at this stage. You can be permitted a couple of staff members to come in to keep infrastructure going etc, but even this should require full time presence.

    They should be named and shamed. It doesnt have to be on here, for all its trappings social media can still be used as a socially beneficial medium to expose this type of reprehensible behaviour.


  • #7689
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/NeilDotObrien/status/1351860454696615939
    All the 'highly educated professional' twitter crackpots trying desperately to cover their arses now. Sure it was good while it lasted they got their moment of social media fame for being contrary, pity for them they'll have no credibility forever more though and have irreparably ruined their careers. I do always wonder if they were genuine in their beliefs though or just playing to a crowd?


  • #7690
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    josip wrote: »
    Ah jaysus, not the Mount Carmels in New Ross?
    Although I doubt there are 12 left there now.

    There’s 14 I believe but one lives in the lodge outside. They are all very old too so expect some deaths there. Someone going in to work brought it in


  • #7691
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    All the 'highly educated professional' twitter crackpots trying desperately to cover their arses now. Sure it was good while it lasted they got their moment of social media fame for being contrary, pity for them they'll have no credibility forever more though and have irreparably ruined their careers. I do always wonder if they were genuine in their beliefs though or just playing to a crowd?

    Many experts go it wrong too

    No mask, not a threat to USA, Dr Fauci NIAID 18/02/2020

    No human to human spread, Dr Tedros WHO Director 14/01/2020

    No justification for 'lockdown' at the moment 21/03/2020 - Dr Tony Holohan CMO

    Most of the experts have been a disgrace since the whole thing started


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  • #7692
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Many experts go it wrong too

    No mask, not a threat to USA, Dr Fauci NIAID 18/02/2020

    No human to human spread, Dr Tedros WHO Director 14/01/2020

    No justification for 'lockdown' at the moment 21/03/2020 - Dr Tony Holohan CMO

    Most of the experts have been a disgrace since the whole thing started

    And they did not back track and try to claim they never said those things however unlike Clair Craig. WHO/Fauci were providing as accurate advice as they could based on limited info about a fast evolving situation, Craig was deliberately setting cats among the pigeons and trying to pick holes in consensus opinions to gain publicity


  • #7693
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Thundercats Ho wrote: »
    One of the ladies in our office lives with her parents and her elderly grandparents.
    She's the only one who leaves the house for work.
    She asked if she could work from home as she's very worried about bringing covid back to her parents / grandparents.
    She was flat out denied, and told if she wanted to stay at home she could go on the PUP.
    My jaw hit the floor when i heard it as the 3 fellas that made the decision are all family men, so you'd imagine they'd understand that family comes first.

    Needless to say for her, and a few other there, their 1st priority is getting through the pandemic as safely as possible.
    2nd priority is to change job as soon as jobs become available.

    She could easily work from home btw, and did so for a couple of months, mid March to late May last year.
    If I was her, I’d remind them that under the Safety, Health, and Welfare at work Act 2005, they are wholly responsible if she contracts COVID in the workplace and gets seriously ill or dies. If she can work from home, they are open to litigation if she becomes ill/dies. No harm to remind them of that.

    What a ridiculous position for them to take!!


  • #7694
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Many experts go it wrong too

    No mask, not a threat to USA, Dr Fauci NIAID 18/02/2020

    No human to human spread, Dr Tedros WHO Director 14/01/2020

    No justification for 'lockdown' at the moment 21/03/2020 - Dr Tony Holohan CMO

    Most of the experts have been a disgrace since the whole thing started

    That is not the same thing at all.


  • #7695
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Many experts go it wrong too

    No mask, not a threat to USA, Dr Fauci NIAID 18/02/2020

    No human to human spread, Dr Tedros WHO Director 14/01/2020

    No justification for 'lockdown' at the moment 21/03/2020 - Dr Tony Holohan CMO

    Most of the experts have been a disgrace since the whole thing started

    I'm not sure you understand how science works.

    Scientists don't know everything, particularly when there's no/limited evidence available. As more evidence about something becomes available, you change your mind on it. You don't try to delete any evidence of your previous viewpoints.


  • #7696
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    Unfortunately looks like that at this stage. Level 4 once cases/hospital numbers allow it (schools/construction and maybe even hairdressers/gyms/non-essential retail). Then level 3 (or even 2) once Easter has past and all the over-70's are vaccinated. I'm still holding out hope for a relatively normal summer post June!

    They will have to allow some sort of family visits until then, maybe 1 household can mix with just 1 more.


  • #7697
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Many experts go it wrong too

    No mask, not a threat to USA, Dr Fauci NIAID 18/02/2020

    No human to human spread, Dr Tedros WHO Director 14/01/2020

    No justification for 'lockdown' at the moment 21/03/2020 - Dr Tony Holohan CMO

    Most of the experts have been a disgrace since the whole thing started

    horsesh!t

    and disingenuous horsesh!t at that

    almost every one of those statements will be prefaced with statements like "based on what we know right now" or "current available evidence leads us to believe"


  • #7698
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NeilDotObrien/status/1351860454696615939
    All the 'highly educated professional' twitter crackpots trying desperately to cover their arses now. Sure it was good while it lasted they got their moment of social media fame for being contrary, pity for them they'll have no credibility forever more though and have irreparably ruined their careers. I do always wonder if they were genuine in their beliefs though or just playing to a crowd?

    many of that crowd was in this thread in the last year.
    No more lockdowns.Open the pubs,you cant stop people travelling etc.
    Very foolish people easily mislead.


  • #7699
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    Amirani wrote: »
    I'm not sure you understand how science works.

    Scientists don't know everything, particularly when there's no/limited evidence available. As more evidence about something becomes available, you change your mind on it. You don't try to delete any evidence of your previous viewpoints.

    Science is based on fact and evidence

    Why would they be right now, if wrong before?

    Science is always evolving


  • #7700
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    lawred2 wrote: »
    horsesh!t

    and disingenuous horsesh!t at that

    almost every one of those statements will be prefaced with statements like "based on what we know right now" or "current available evidence leads us to believe"

    Go back and watch interviews from January 2020

    Some of them are honestly laughable, they got so much wrong, it's embarrasing to watch.

    They didn't preface many of them interviews either,many were arrogant opinions stated as facts

    Even now we get statements like the vaccines work against all strains

    Is that a fact or prefaced?


  • #7701
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Science is based on fact and evidence

    Why would they be right now, if wrong before?

    Science is always evolving

    One of the key principles of science is that you're always wrong. The manner in which you are wrong is what really matters. You can only make a best guess based on the understanding and information available to you at a given time. The iterative goal being that your next guess is less wrong than your previous one. Not always a guarantee. It is the only make to progress.

    Also worth pointing out a position that we know is wrong in science doesn't fully invalidate all claims made previous. For example, Newtonian Gravity is wrong. You can still use it to a great degree of accuracy to plot a trip to the moon for a rocket.

    Anyone who breaks any idea to binary wrong or right is threading a very dangerous ideology ground. Reality is a murky spectrum. Often the methodology of how the result is arrived at is more important than the result itself.

    Apologies for straying off topic.


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  • #7702
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    Turtwig wrote: »
    One of the key principles of science is that you're always wrong. The manner in which you are wrong is what really matters. You can only make a best guess based on the understanding and information available to you at a given time. The iterative goal being that your next guess is less wrong than your previous one. Not always a guarantee. It is the only make to progress.

    Also worth pointing out a position that we know is wrong in science doesn't fully invalidate all claims made previous. For example, Newtonian Gravity is wrong. You can still use it to a great degree of accuracy to plot a trip to the moon for a rocket.

    Anyone who breaks any idea to binary wrong or right is threading a very dangerous ideology ground. Reality is a murky spectrum.

    Your confusing wrong and being dishonest

    That's what they were, they were dishonest and mendacious, misleading the public.

    Fauci knew it was a respiratory illness on 18/02/2020 and knew masks worked, Tedros also knew it spread human to human on 14/01/2020

    Tony lol, the dogs on the road knew better on March 21st than he did, the virus was endemic at that point ffs


  • #7703
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    many were arrogant opinions stated as facts

    This is basically the story of the whole thing from start to finish.


  • #7704
    ch750536
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    And they did not back track and try to claim they never said those things however unlike Clair Craig. WHO/Fauci were providing as accurate advice as they could based on limited info about a fast evolving situation, Craig was deliberately setting cats among the pigeons and trying to pick holes in consensus opinions to gain publicity

    They were not stating things as fact without evidence.
    The other was denying as fact the evidence.


  • #7705
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    zuutroy wrote: »
    This is basically the story of the whole thing from start to finish.

    Yes

    We really over rate our intelligence as a species, Covid has shown us that we are all idiot's.

    That little virus has really humbled us and will humble us for a long long time.

    The people that think we will have humans on Mars, have cars driving us to the shops, cancer cured etc in the next few years are seriously deluded.


  • #7706
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Your confusing wrong and being dishonest

    That's what they were, they were dishonest and mendacious, misleading the public.

    Fauci knew it was a respiratory illness on 18/02/2020 and knew masks worked, Tedros also knew it spread human to human on 14/01/2020

    Tony lol, the dogs on the road knew better on March 21st than he did, the virus was endemic at that point ffs

    I'm only going to focus on one as it's the one I'm most familiar with.

    The WHO stated there was no evidence of human to human transmission at that time. However, they also added the caveat that given the respiratory nature of illness it would not surprise them if this was to be the case.

    I think if you're going to use the word dishonest you better be damn sure you're not taking things out of context.


    Not a fan with how NPHET messaged somethings. Context though is really important. You've cherry picked the WHO one and I'm not going to apply selective amnesia and assume you applied higher standards for the other examples.


  • #7707
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Yes

    We really over rate our intelligence as a species, Covid has shown us that we are all idiot's.

    That little virus has really humbled us and will humble us for a long long time.

    The people that think we will have humans on Mars, have cars driving us to the shops, cancer cured etc in the next few years are seriously deluded.

    Thanks for the uplifting messages. Great to have hope.


  • #7708
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    In unsurprising news, restrictions to be extended until late February apparently.

    The hospitality sector may not reopen properly until late May or early June.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-set-to-extend-level-5-restrictions-to-late-february-1.4463199


  • #7709
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Yes

    We really over rate our intelligence as a species, Covid has shown us that we are all idiot's.

    That little virus has really humbled us and will humble us for a long long time.

    The people that think we will have humans on Mars, have cars driving us to the shops, cancer cured etc in the next few years are seriously deluded.

    Well it's certainly shown that some of are idiots, like those who think scientists should have been able to predict everything in advance before they had any evidence, and the fact that they didn't equates them with conspiracy theory pushing lunatics.

    On the other hand, we've managed to produce and begin distributing a vaccine in record time using new technology that will advance medical science in other ways in the future, we've managed to reconfigure our societies to keep infection and death rates far, far lower than they otherwise would have been, we've done that with some harm to our economy but nothing remotely close to the complete collapse that many predicted (remember when some people were stockpiling food because they were expecting society to collapse?), and the vast majority of us are able to continue leading fulfilling lives, albeit with certain necessary curtailments for the moment, despite a pandemic that was unprecedented in any of our lifetimes.


  • #7710
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Eod100 wrote: »
    In unsurprising news, restrictions to be extended until late February apparently.

    The hospitality sector may not reopen properly until late May or early June.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-set-to-extend-level-5-restrictions-to-late-february-1.4463199

    I really feel sorry for those in the hospitality sector, so much uncertainty.

    There are weddings booked in for early summer where people thought they would be safe, but now are looking to re-book due to uncertainty.

    Realistically, where do people think we will be at when it comes to numbers at weddings come June? Initially I would have said 100, now I think it could be 50 but it could still be as low as 25. There is such a massive difference for the hospitality sector in terms of a wedding with 100 in attendance as opposed to 25 in attendance.


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  • #7711
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Eod100 wrote: »
    In unsurprising news, restrictions to be extended until late February apparently.

    The hospitality sector may not reopen properly until late May or early June.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-set-to-extend-level-5-restrictions-to-late-february-1.4463199

    Not a surprise but still an absolute p*sser, not really bothered about hospitality sector, it's been so long I've forgotten how to enjoy a decent night / evening.

    Just getting back to normal is more important, sick to the teeth of these restrictions. i am only following them because I have to and the fact that I have nowhere to go


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