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Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

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  • Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ahwell wrote: »
    I can't see that happening. We are talking about one book of figures. There is a time lag in JNLR figures. So the November figures are probably including the time when there was no live sport at all.

    It might surprise you that at 47,000 it is still outperforming the second captains when they were presenting OTB, they used to get around 40,000. It constantly surprises me, because I much preferred the old crew. No accounting for other peoples taste I suppose.

    The evening radio slot just seems like an afterthought at the moment. We'll see if the focus on the online stuff has a detrimental effect on figures long-term. Anecdotally it would appear to but maybe as you say that it doesn't really matter what they churn out as they will get in and around 50k anyway. We'll see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭generalgerry


    redbuck wrote: »
    Consistency is good, they’re good figures.

    I think it just goes to show how silly it was for RTE not to make some attempt to compete a few years ago when McDevitt and Earley left. That was a real opportunity to get a foot in the door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    I think it just goes to show how silly it was for RTE not to make some attempt to compete a few years ago when McDevitt and Earley left. That was a real opportunity to get a foot in the door.

    Yeah the current offering on RTE is awful.
    I genuinely can't even listen to 5 minutes of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭redbuck


    I think it just goes to show how silly it was for RTE not to make some attempt to compete a few years ago when McDevitt and Earley left. That was a real opportunity to get a foot in the door.

    Is Donnacha O’Callaghan still on Game On? I always found him woeful when I happened to hear it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    redbuck wrote: »
    Is Donnacha O’Callaghan still on Game On? I always found him woeful when I happened to hear it
    Yes a terrible presenter on a brutal program completely out of place on the 2FM schedule. They cut the program from 2 hours to 1 hour in the first lockdown, need to finish the job now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭nialler1978


    Off the ball celebrating a win by 200/1 horse, amazingly fixated. Horse racing and gambling is such a wonderful sport and a sport for everyone. Ger Gilroy the man of the people or, more to the point, the women, the oppressed, things that are all pure and good for society celebrating a 200/1 winner. That happens all the time right? I’m 16 stone and a fat piece of **** but looks like I might have a shot in this sport if I take it up.

    Or it’s a load fixed bollocks and newstalk and that tosser gilroy will do whatever it takes to get a few quid be it promoting corrupt racing or virtue signaling ****e female Irish rugby. Awful stuff. Garbage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭bike2wkr


    They have to earn a buck somewhere. I like OTB. Good to see they are covering alot of Olympic hopefuls now as well. Good football (soccer) coverage too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Paul rouse talking bollocks on the paper review about some non existent moral quandary with regard to sports direct sponsoring Cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Paul rouse talking bollocks on the paper review about some non existent moral quandary with regard to sports direct sponsoring Cork.

    Is it bollocks? There should he serious questions asked about why you would want to align yourself with with such a disgracefully run company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Is it bollocks? There should he serious questions asked about why you would want to align yourself with with such a disgracefully run company.

    Why are they disgracefully run? Rouse didn’t put forward actual examples.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Why are they disgracefully run? Rouse didn’t put forward actual examples.

    I'm on a phone so can't link to articles but a quick Google will show multiple issues including an MPs report that concluded "staff are not treated as humans"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭deisedude


    Why are they disgracefully run? Rouse didn’t put forward actual examples.

    Seeing as you cant be arsed Googling it
    • Zero hour contracts
    • Breaching minimum wage laws
    • Declaring yourself an essential business and forcing employees to work against government guidelines
    • Terrible working conditions where employees are treated like sh1t


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Felexicon wrote: »
    I'm on a phone so can't link to articles but a quick Google will show multiple issues including an MPs report that concluded "staff are not treated as humans"

    Read the allegations and some are scandalous. I didn’t hear either contributor bring of those allegations up.

    I don’t think cork GAA should be passing on the money all the same. As dave McIntyre said where do you draw the line? AIG aren’t scandal free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    deisedude wrote: »
    Seeing as you cant be arsed Googling it
    • Zero hour contracts
    • Breaching minimum wage laws
    • Declaring yourself an essential business and forcing employees to work against government guidelines
    • Terrible working conditions where employees are treated like sh1t

    If Paul rouse wants to make an argument it’s up to him to make that argument which he didn’t bring up any of examples of bad practices. That I heard anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    If Paul rouse wants to make an argument it’s up to him to make that argument which he didn’t bring up any of examples of bad practices. That I heard anyway.

    There was definitely mention of it. Including an obscene amount of ambulance call outs to one site and a woman giving birth in a toilet.

    These work practices are well documented to the point an undercover documentary was made.

    Don't think an hour long paper review gives Rouse the scope to go through the long list of questionable practices by the company.

    Not everything can be spoon fed to you and if you have an issue with what is said maybe do a bit or research before claiming people are talking bollocks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,482 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If Paul rouse wants to make an argument it’s up to him to make that argument which he didn’t bring up any of examples of bad practices. That I heard anyway.

    Any time I've heard Paul Rouse, he's very clear in the points he is making. Doesn't leave much room for speculation.

    Either way, surprised anyone interested in sport doesn't know about the history and reputation of Sports Direct at this point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    I don’t think cork GAA should be passing on the money all the same.

    I know I would be very unhappy if it was my county taking money from that grade of company.

    We're in a weird time when the lines between business and community organisation are getting very blurred when it comes to inter county GAA.
    It's up to each individual what they find acceptable but I'd worry for the organisation if they proceed with a Money is King attitude towards who they do business with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Some wrong on my side especially if rouse did address why sportsdirect are a “bad” company.

    I heard them go on about the sportsdirect company directors being obese and one liking “blondes and Barbados” and then they waffled on about Nike not liking their products sold by online retailers which was frankly irrevalent. Later Dave challenged rouse on what was an acceptable sponsor, where do you draw the line, Rouse fudged the answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Is it bollocks? There should he serious questions asked about why you would want to align yourself with with such a disgracefully run company.

    Was there uproar when AIG pumped their millions into Dublin GAA?

    The same AIG that were bailed out by the US federal reserve to the tune of 170 billion dollars (12 short years ago) while at the same time hundreds of thousands of people in the same country were forced to hand back the keys to their house when they defaulted on their loans. T

    Or when Bank of Ireland sponsored Munster and Leinster GAA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    BPKS wrote: »
    Was there uproar when AIG pumped their millions into Dublin GAA?

    The same AIG that were bailed out by the US federal reserve to the tune of 170 billion dollars (12 short years ago) while at the same time hundreds of thousands of people in the same country were forced to hand back the keys to their house when they defaulted on their loans. T

    Or when Bank of Ireland sponsored Munster and Leinster GAA.

    I must say I was surprised that wasn't brought up in the conversation yesterday.

    Irish bank sponsorship was discussed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    For the last few months, I’ve started listening to the paper review again out of lockdown boredom. It’s been pretty good lately but yesterday it followed a sequential theme of one moral dilemma after another, each one more ghastly than the last. For just one week -all I ask is one- can OTB please just abstain from moralising and just talk about the fekin sport?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    For the last few months, I’ve started listening to the paper review again out of lockdown boredom. It’s been pretty good lately but yesterday it followed a sequential theme of one moral dilemma after another, each one more ghastly than the last. For just one week -all I ask is one- can OTB please just abstain from moralising and just talk about the fekin sport?

    Absolutely. I said rouse was talking bollocks which was harsh but they spent so much time talking about sports direct and dog racing it just got me annoyed. It’s so easy to write outrage articles about these issues that are such tomorrows chip paper stories.

    Was the vast uncertainty about the LoI a couple of weeks out from the season even mentioned?

    Our print media focus on such bull****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Absolutely. I said rouse was talking bollocks which was harsh but they spent so much time talking about sports direct and dog racing it just got me annoyed. It’s so easy to write outrage articles about these issues that are such tomorrows chip paper stories.

    Was the vast uncertainty about the LoI a couple of weeks out from the season even mentioned?

    Our print media focus on such bull****.

    They are reviewing articles from the papers. Those are ones that stood out for them. If them talking about it got you annoyed just turn it off.

    I don't actually think you listened to the segment. Youmight have heard it but you didn't listen.

    The greyhound piece was not an outrage article at all. In fact it was giving the IGHB chairman a chance to talk about how much they have cleaned up since, and learned from the Primetime investigation.
    Joe said the article was a car crash and then 5 minutes later said he had been wrong to say that and then revisited it at the end to say it had been on his mind because he was overly critical

    What paper/journalist wrote a LoI piece they could have covered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Felexicon wrote: »
    They are reviewing articles from the papers. Those are ones that stood out for them. If them talking about it got you annoyed just turn it off.

    I don't actually think you listened to the segment.

    What paper/journalist wrote a LoI piece they could have covered?

    I’m not sure you read my post because you missed the part where I criticized print journalism for not addressing the LoI issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    I’m not sure you read my post because you missed the part where I criticized print journalism for not addressing the LoI issue.

    No you said it wasn't mentioned, as in talked about.

    Then you said print media was poor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Felexicon wrote: »
    No you said it wasn't mentioned, as in talked about.

    Then you said print media was poor

    Yes the print media is poor for not mentioning it.

    Also if you think that segment is used to only list out each article and what is said in them then you don’t listen too much yourself.

    Contributors are free to bring up anything within the scope of sport even if it isn’t in the papers. They often mention stuff they feel isn’t getting the required attention.

    Anyway happy to end this pissing contest now if you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Yes the print media is poor for not mentioning it.

    Also if you think that segment is used to only list out each article and what is said in them then you don’t listen too much yourself.

    Contributors are free to bring up anything within the scope of sport even if it isn’t in the papers. They often mention stuff they feel isn’t getting the required attention.

    Anyway happy to end this pissing contest now if you want.

    Ah I took it up wrong so.

    This is just discussion not a pissing contest.

    FWIW I thought yesterdays review was fairly poor. I don't think the format suits Rouse, who I think is exceptional in long form interviews. You could sense he wanted to dive in to the Charlton stuff but time didn't allow.
    McIntyre is enjoyable to listen to on most topics but I always enjoy it more when they have a print journalist on. Just think it often provides a different angle.
    At least it wasn't Hector!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Ah I took it up wrong so.

    This is just discussion not a pissing contest.

    FWIW I thought yesterdays review was fairly poor. I don't think the format suits Rouse, who I think is exceptional in long form interviews. You could sense he wanted to dive in to the Charlton stuff but time didn't allow.
    McIntyre is enjoyable to listen to on most topics but I always enjoy it more when they have a print journalist on. Just think it often provides a different angle.
    At least it wasn't Hector!

    For what’s it worth my point did tilt towards criticism of print journalism in Ireland from criticism of the contributions.

    I get sick of everything being turned into a moral quandary in sport in Ireland by hand wringing journos, Twitter talking heads and OTB and others. The sports direct story is a tomorrow’s chip paper story, the jerseys will have sports direct, cork gaa will cash a Cheque and 95% of people will not give a fcuk and the other 5% can like it or lump it

    Meanwhile the LoI is facing uncertainty and possibly turmoil and not a word is uttered or written.

    The dog racing thing ..grand..give it 10 mins but overall greyhound racing is going to keep on going regardless of anything said in print or on radio. It’s it’s own successful industry and they couldn’t care less what is said about them.

    As for Rouse, he is beloved by posters here. As far as GAA goes his views became twee and outdated once they started to sell corporate boxes in Croke park at the end of the 90s. It’s fine lamenting the move towards commercialism and professionalism but that ship has sailed long since. Anyone taking his views as their own, is just taking views that are stale and outdated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Is Kevin Kilbane no longer part of the show I haven’t heard him in ages. Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Is Kevin Kilbane no longer part of the show I haven’t heard him in ages. Thanks


    Got married and moved to Canada


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